How many albums do you need to sell to be considered a commercial success?

[Davey.]

Seriously, only 20,000 range for Grandaddy? I'm shocked!

Hey congrats, Junior! Probably the 20-50 thousand range. You don't see many indie releases that get above that, even the popular ones. An indie type band like Built To Spill (or the Flaming Lips) on a major label can sometimes approach the 100 thousand mark with good luck and good promotion, but not often. The Flaming Lips has gotten so much good publicity from Soft Bulletin that I think that album has sold at least 250 thousand or more over the years. Really no clue on Yoshimi though. It would be fun to know, but someone like Britney moves 500 thousand albums the day of release