Marriage and gay couples don't mix.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Sir TT,

I want to leave the basic gay "marriage" thing alone with you for the most part, we've prolly spent numerous hours debating it and, however much we enjoy it, are at an impass. I do want to say this, though: The Constitution would only apply in this case if marriage meant a committed relationship between anyone, which it does not.

It does however address equal rights for all americans. Equal does mean the same, so committed gays should have the SAME rights as committed straights. Our constitution doesn't address marriage specifically, or marriage rights, but it does address individuals rights to equality. We cannot pick and choose who we give equality to

We are not required to change the meaning of words because a special interest group wants us to. If we as a society decide to change it, because we are a Republic it will happen.

Since when is being gay part of a special interest group? Are straights a special interest group? As that definition is applied in this sentence they are, and they are enjoying benefits that other special interest groups are not. I think it is funny that when we want to demonize a cause or a group of people, we call them special interest groups. That way when we want to deny them of something, it is made easier by a title with very negative connotations. Sometimes a republic has to be forced to do the right things(abolition of slaves, rights to disabled people) because they are too selfish and self serving to do the right thing without some force or pressure.

As of right now, we do not, and it's up to us. Judicial activism always leads to no good. Heck anything that waters down self rule is bad for all of us.

More inflammatory language. When a judge recognizes that a group of american citizen are not getting the same benefits as other american citizens, and does something about it, it's called Judicial activism. When a large group of people decide it's okay to discriminate against people with a different sexual orientation, that is called american justice. Self rule doesn't exist in america, its really called group rule. That is reality. Self rule makes room for an individual to choose whatever human he or she wants to be with. European ridicule would bother me more if they were an example of leadership and decency in the world. Then there would be a reason to emulate them. What we have is majority rules, not self rules.

If and when multiracial democracy comes to pass here, currently projected to happen in the 2020s', whites will be a minority. No one race will have a controlling interest.

What latins don't exist in this country? We happen to be the fastest growing race here in America, and threatening to overtake whites as the majority. It is my hope that we will treat white americans much better than they have treated us.

No TT, I do not agree that it was OK to "demorilize, hang and kill black people just so the southern colonies couldn't create and empire based on more slaves? It was okay to maim, rape, and destroy the lives of a certain racial group just so this country could exist?".

What I was and am saying is that it is better for the entire world that we DO exist. War, slavery, and prejudice are all normal human conditions, right or wrong. A cursory review of history proves this.

Predjudice is not normal, and neither is slavery. Predjudice is a learned behavior, slavery is for the comfort and commerce of the oppressor. Owning black people dragged from their country and sold like cattle is a American norm, not a world wide one. Choosing to destroy a race, and handicap them for more than a century is a American thing, not a world wide thing. Just because slavery, war, and predjudice has been around throughout history only proves that scared, ignorant and stupid people have existed throughout history. It is the ABNORMAL human condition that allows any of this to exist.
We are the most hated country in this world. We are hypocritical in that we go to China and tell them how to deal with their people, while we deny black people decent health care, punish them in a court system riddled with double standards, and design processes, and systems designed to benefit a special interested group called white america.

Although slavery in the US was bad, and I believe worse than most historical slavery overall because it was based on skin color (it made it hard for slaves to assimilate), there are many worse, much worse, alternatives to our current society, look to Africa, SE Asia and China, the Middle East, the former USSR and Central America for some examples. Most decency in current world society owes much to those dead white guys, along with many European dead white guys who worked with us following vicious wars.

To compare other disfunctional countries with ours as a justification for the ills the majority put on minorities, is a loaded, and lame arguement. The africans do not have a problem living in Africa, Amercians just wouldn't want to live there. Arabs don't have a problem living in the middle east if the Europeans and Americans would quit middling in their business. Russians apparently want to live in their own country, as I do not see a tidal wave of people leaving their to come here. People in Central and South America apparently want to live where they live, as I don't see any country down there closing shop because of a northerly migration. Maybe we Americans don't want to live in these places, but the citizens in those country do.

Yes, those dead white guys spread their wonderful decency standard all over the world. What did we learn from these dead white guys? How to destroy a race, how to preserve white supremacy, how to justify cruelity to another humans by just reducing them to the status of "animals"., or saying it was done in biblical days(like that makes it right), and we learned how to write a constitution, and how to subvert it by interpretation. The world learned how to escape oppression, discover an already discovered country, kill off its inhabitans, use other races as slave labor to build the country, then wholesalely lock those individuals out of the prosperity they help to build. Thank you America!

The proof is in the pudding: members of all races, colors, and societies are clamoring to get IN.

That fact is purely financial, not because we are so moral and upstanding.

RL, you are right, slavery has been shown to exist back to the beginning of recorded history. And Haitian conditions were awful and used to scare the slaves - being "sold down the river" - the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico to Haiti. And more slaves died during shipping across the Altantic than Jews in the holocaust. And, and, and. The depravity of Man knows no bounds.

And just because it existed since the beginning of time makes it right? Slavery of old was much different than American slavery. Slaves worked to pay back debt, and they were people from all races. These were not slaves brutally snatched from the homes, and used to make another races more comfortable. So to compare slavery of old, to American slavery, is definately an apples and oranges comparison.

Doesn't the white blue collar worker already have a lobby - the Democratic Party? lol

(Dems - that's a JOKE! - I am in no way inferring that your party is NOT run by extremely weathy white guys)

Peace be unto you all .

Pete (in a while, crocodile)

Doesn't matter if it is republican or democrate, it is run by rich white men. Thats called preserving the power base, and maintaining the status quo.