Marriage and gay couples don't mix.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

What about the rights of children?

Smokey, there is no indication from anyone that the childrens rights are being violated just because they have same sex parents.

We all talk about equal right for everybody, but meanwhile we denying children rights to a "normal" family environment.

What is normal these days. Normal is whatever you adapt to. The concept of the nuclear family of the 50's and 60's is history. Kids are happy in a loving environment, not one defined by a television myth that never existed in real life. Kids learn to adapt to their evironment pretty easily whether it be an abusive one(they develope coping mechanisms) or loving ones with one supportive parent, two same sex parents, or a mother and father.

You said that kids are bright now day which I agree. But it might worth mentioning that kids are also very Impressionist at early age and they tend to copy their parents.

Smokey, don't tell me you think that kids from gay parents will turn gay when they grow up. That's nonsense. Either you are gay, or you are not. You cannot choose to be gay, it is a natural thing. Have any of us straights choose to be straight, or is that just what comes natural to us?

As Shokhead mentioned, how do you explain to a small child being raised by a gay couple seeing the same sex hold hands, kiss and all that in the household, and then out in the big world the straight way and kid definitely become confused.

You do what EVERY parent should do. You teach your kids that parents NOW come in many forms. You teach them that little Joey's two dads love him just like you love your kids. You tell them that Joeys two dads love each other just like a mom and a dad love each other. You teach them to respect the people, not the sexual orientation. That is what I did with my boys, and I have raised three of the most open minded, accepting, and respectful boys myself based on this principle.

Beside we have to distinguish between Individual rights and rights to marriage benefits since the latter tend to involve children rights also

Rights to marriage benefits should have nothing to do with accounting for children. You don't marry just so you can have children, and you do not usually walk into marriages with a pre-made family(except in the case of divorce or child bearing before marriage). According to the latest statistics fewer and fewer married couples are even having children, a trend that has been going on for a little over a decade. Consider that people decide to get married to make a commitment to each other(just as gays would like to do) then there is no need to give straight couples(based on the sexual orientation) any more right than gays.

If you keep in mind that you are dealing with people and persons, and not sexual orientation, it should be a no brainer on how to make thing fair and equitable for everyone.

[shokhead]

Smokey, there is no indication from anyone that the childrens rights are being violated just because they have same sex parents.



What is normal these days. Normal is whatever you adapt to. The concept of the nuclear family of the 50's and 60's is history. Kids are happy in a loving environment, not one defined by a television myth that never existed in real life. Kids learn to adapt to their evironment pretty easily whether it be an abusive one(they develope coping mechanisms) or loving ones with one supportive parent, two same sex parents, or a mother and father.




Smokey, don't tell me you think that kids from gay parents will turn gay when they grow up. That's nonsense. Either you are gay, or you are not. You cannot choose to be gay, it is a natural thing. Have any of us straights choose to be straight, or is that just what comes natural to us?



You do what EVERY parent should do. You teach your kids that parents NOW come in many forms. You teach them that little Joey's two dads love him just like you love your kids. You tell them that Joeys two dads love each other just like a mom and a dad love each other. You teach them to respect the people, not the sexual orientation. That is what I did with my boys, and I have raised three of the most open minded, accepting, and respectful boys myself based on this principle.




Rights to marriage benefits should have nothing to do with accounting for children. You don't marry just so you can have children, and you do not usually walk into marriages with a pre-made family(except in the case of divorce or child bearing before marriage). According to the latest statistics fewer and fewer married couples are even having children, a trend that has been going on for a little over a decade. Consider that people decide to get married to make a commitment to each other(just as gays would like to do) then there is no need to give straight couples(based on the sexual orientation) any more right than gays.

If you keep in mind that you are dealing with people and persons, and not sexual orientation, it should be a no brainer on how to make thing fair and equitable for everyone.

Normal is whatever you adapt to? Did the jews adapt to being killed? A rapist on the warpath and women should adapt? I'm thinking that statement could me different. Kids most likly wont grow up gay but sexually confused or screwed up maybe. Fewer married couples are not having kids,there choice. Gays dont have a choice,they just cant have any. I'm not into the god thing but i'm thinking he had to expect us to have kids to keep this going. I can care less if somebody is gay,big deal but being married as its been for a few 100 years is between the man and women.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Normal is whatever you adapt to? Did the jews adapt to being killed? A rapist on the warpath and women should adapt? I'm thinking that statement could me different.

My statement doesn't adapt well to obsurdities. These things are all against the law, and the bible addresses them directly as sins. This is not the case for being gay, or a gay parent. Free your mind man.

Kids most likly wont grow up gay but sexually confused or screwed up maybe.

Kids are sexually confused with straight parents, so what is your point?

Fewer married couples are not having kids,there choice. Gays dont have a choice,they just cant have any.

Actually they can have kids. They can adopt one of the kids that a straight couple, drugged up from birth, had out of wedlock and abandoned, kick out, or messed up. You know, the ones in foster care.

I'm not into the god thing but i'm thinking he had to expect us to have kids to keep this going. I can care less if somebody is gay,big deal but being married as its been for a few 100 years is between the man and women.

Yes, but he expected us to have kids within the bounds of marriage. We have already broken that concept as witnessed by the thousands of kids born to single mothers. I was told by a gay couple that straights can keep the word marriage, it doesn't mean all that much to them anyway based on the fact that 24hr marriages and divorces happen alot(ask any las vegas wedding chapel). Catch these words, equal rights for all, equal right for all, no matter what you call the union.

[Justlisten2]

I'm against marriage period. I tell my three sons that they'll know they are ready for marriage when:

A) They start to lose interest in sex.
AND
B) They have so much money they can't possibly figure how to spend it all.
OR
C) She has so much money they can't possibly figure how to spend it all.


Why should hetrosexuals be the only ones to suffer? Misery loves company.