KFC: We do Chickens Wrong!

[Woochifer]

Atkins was lied about not the other way around. Michael Moore's latest film has a few errors which is not the same as a lie. It's funny how there was a holocaust survivor who said he was in the Bergen Belson camp and recounted that they were afraid of being gassed ... there was no gas chamber that facility and so some people use that to claim that the Holocaust was a lie. Moore may have one or two facts wrong but what about the 87 he gets right? Chucking out all the facts or the forrest for one dead tree is idiotic.

Leave it up to you to turn a topic that started with you urging people to boycott KFC, and spin it into the ground with Michael Moore, the holocaust, and your worship of Dr. Atkins.

For instance Atkins has been blasted by many pundits -- few of whom have actually bothered to read what he has to say -- for instance I doubt too many people know that you can be a vegitarian and be on the Atkins plan...no what you see on CNN is a big greasy burger fried up in a pan with the title this could be dangerous. What is media presented and what is the truth is not the same thing. And the medical practitioners who got on his case interestingly enough have no REAL evidence of their own. The biggest scam in the United States today is all and any drug and the media fear tactics on cholesterol and to a further extent fat content of foods.

Atkins believed in and was a big supporter of buying Organic foods, meats without nitrates, free range, vitamin suppliments (because the foods were overprocessed and lossed much of the nutrients) avoidance of high sugar foods and white flour carbohydrates and white rice. Gee not a whole lot different than most nutritionists.

Sure, it's possible to be a vegetarian and on the Atkins plan. That doesn't make it a healthy or balanced diet. My wife is a research biologist and the people that she works with (including university medical researchers) to a person think that the long-term health risks resulting from the Atkins regimen of carb deprivation and protein loading will become evident in the years to come, irregardless of whether people have been interpreting Atkins to mean indulging in high protein foods loaded with saturated fat and cholesterol. Problem with Atkins is that it eliminates the carbs that nutritionists consider a part of a balanced and healthy diet (complex carbs, dietary fiber, etc.). Atkins is an effective way to lose weight, but the nutritionists I know certainly don't view the imbalances inherent in that diet as a healthy lifestyle. Ever hear of eating a balanced diversity of foods in moderation, and exercising? That seems to be the only "diet" that has outlived all the various fads that have come and gone over the past 30 years.

If you think that the "biggest scam" is "all and any drug" then are you telling me then that next time you get a staph infection, you're going to instruct your doctors not to give you any antibiotics? Or if you get an organ transplant, you're going to do without the anti-rejection drugs? Of if you're diagnosed with HIV, you'll "cure" yourself without any medications, because "all and any drug" is just a scam? Blanket statements like the one that you made are the stuff of infomercial and Scientology conspiracies, not science and not reality.

If you think that cholesterol is just a "media scare tactic" then I'm sure you'll have to now educate all the actuarials who have been using cholesterol counts in their risk factor assessments for issuing life insurance policies. They'll be glad to know that a person with high cholesterol is no likelier to die from a heart attack than someone with a low cholesterol count, and their stockholders will be glad too because there will be no bottomline impact on their claims by eliminating the cholesterol count as a criteria.

For all the talk that you make about what you intrepret as media scare tactics, your statements certainly don't come across to me as rational or well informed either. Right, all of the medical research out there is nothing more than a scare tactic. Pharmaceutical companies are out to make a buck, but at the same time, I doubt that even you would do without their products in their entirety.

The food pyramid has been advertised on tv recently saying to have more grain foods and there is a kid holding a box of Lucky Charms because this is the new healthy government approved diet that kids should be eating -- Cocoa Puffs and Lucky Charms? Sorry but there are BILLIONS of dollars at stake and your health is the LAST thing on the minds of the drug and nutrition industry.

Oh brother, here you go again with the food pyramid. In the past, you've made quite a few erroneous references to what it actually means. Here's the rub -- the original four food groups approach was written in 1916 when the one of biggest health issues in the U.S. was malnutrition. As food technology evolved and increased yields and food production efficiencies, malnutrition has waned as a public health issue. The evolution into the new food pyramid occurred because obesity has supplanted malnutrition as the bigger health risk.

Those commercials you mentioned are pretty laughable when the high sugar cereals are included. Indeed they have whole grains, which is good and healthy, but they are loaded with plenty of processed sugar and simple carbs as well, which are linked to obesity.

But, what does the "drug and nutrition industry" have to do with the new food pyramid? It's pretty much self explanatory -- differentiating between different kinds of fats, more emphasis on high fiber foods, more vegetables, more whole grains, etc. I don't see where these BILLIONS of dollars fit into the picture (well, maybe there is that much to be made, just look at all of the Atkins licensed food products that have flooded the market in the past couple of years). Or do you see conspiracies here too?

[Resident Loser]

...how many out there remember the Stillman Water Diet(70s?)...

Eat all the protein you can(and little else) and consume copious amounts of water. If you weren't consuming animal flesh you were p!$$!ng your brains out. As I recall, it was for short-term use only as it disrupted too many digestive/chemical balances.

jimHJJ(...or something like that...)