Hey Karl!

Not the court going against the majority, but overstepping their constitutional bounds.

Dred Scott, Roe, or Plessy. Grutter v. Bollinger and Gratz v. Bollinger. Lochner, Korematsu. All good examples. All Supreme Court. The lesser courts are far worse, and very few get overturned.

Yes, the GOP is also guilty of judical activism, occasionally. It's still legislating from the bench. And if (when) this is publicly excepted, and the worm turns, the Dems will be screaming bloody murder at the system they created (perverted). And woe be to us, 'cause it doesn't matter if you're being kicked by jack-booted Commies or jack-booted Facists!

The religion comments where based on the religious website (religioustolerance.org) refered to by Pat, and others. But what I said is very true vis-a-vis what most liberals believe.

And, according to the Consititution, if the majority of American citizens don't want gay marriage they don't have to allow it - it doesn't matter what their reasons are. And it shouldn't. Because then someone decides what reasons are acceptable and which ones aren't. Who? Usually, the judges. Hate crimes/speech certainly falls into this catagory.

I haven't been able to find the Constitutional restriction on hate speech. Many would think because I say (and believe) that one who does not believe Jesus is the way is going to hell - is hate speech. Karl, they'd better prepare the cell now :)!

I agree with you about most organized religion. It seem almost every organization gets creaky? when it hits a certain size. But they have their place.

Pete