Digital Camera Recommendation.

[Smokey]

Hey Guys

Was wondering if I could get some recommendation for a good Digital camera that is under $150. This is my first digital camera and what I should be looking at when buying a camera...

Rechargeable or regular (AA) batteries?
what size LCD
picture quality
reliability

I was looking at several cameras ranging from bulky (Cannon) to slim (Fuji) and compact cameras seem to be easier to carry around or put in the pocket. So should I go with compact?

Thanks.

[emesbee]

I have a digital compact camera as well as a digital SLR, both Pentax. Compact cameras are good for portability, but they are a real trade off when it comes to functionality. (I may be a bit biased, though, as I have always been used to using an SLR.) I'm not sure what prices are like in the US, but from the amount you mention I'd guess you are looking at a compact camera.

One thing to be aware of, with any camera, is not to get tooy hung up on the number of megapixels. Many compact cameras are advertised with 8 to 10 megapixels these days, but there is really no advantage of this in a small camera. 6 megapixels is more than adequate for good picture quality.

If you get a camera which takes AA batteries, be sure to user rechargeable nimh batteries. Non rechargeable batteries will drain very quickly indeed.

[02audionoob]

One thing to be aware of, with any camera, is not to get tooy hung up on the number of megapixels. Many compact cameras are advertised with 8 to 10 megapixels these days, but there is really no advantage of this in a small camera. 6 megapixels is more than adequate for good picture quality.

I agree 100% with this advice. The lens is more important. Consider something with a big lens....like this Kodak EasyShare. Of course, the camera brands that have been around since before digital...Canon, Nikon, etc. are going to be good places to start.

[audio amateur]

I can recommend Casio Exilim compact cameras. I have experience with two models, one a few years older than the other, both good looking, packed with features, both great.

[JSE]

Been a photographer for many years and have some limited experience with digital point and shoots.

Batteries - don't worry about this. Not a big deal. AA or the dedicated rechargeables will work fine. You can also get rechargeable AA batteries that will work great.

LCD - most come with at last a 2.5" LCD now that is more than enough. Many now come with 3+ inch screen.

Picture Quality - Most digital P&S are in the 8 to 10mp range now. Personally, I would not go above 10mp. The sensors for a P&S camera are all the same size regardless of how many MP a camera has. The more MP you cram onto a sensor, the greater the chance of getting digital noise. Many P&S cameras use in camera tech to reduce this noise but this in turn will decrease sharpness. So try and stay between 6 and 10mp.

Reliability - don't worry so much about this. Most of the major players like Sony. Nikon, Canon, Casio, Fuji, Pentax, Panasonic, etc are all making good cameras now.

There are two big important items I would look at when buying a P&S,.

Number 1 and it's a BIG one.....DO NOT BUY A DIGITAL P&S CAMERA WITHOUT IMAGE STABILIZATION, PERIOD. It's just too hard to hold them steady when pressing the shutter release. The cameras are so small the act of pressing the shutter release will cause shake which will blur you shots. So, get some form of image stabilization. Different camera companies call it different things. If you buy a camera without it, I will hunt you down and beat you!

The next thing to try and look for...... try and find a P&S with a wide angle lens. Most P&S cameras these days come with lenses that are 35mm or so at the wide end. 35mm is not wide. I would try and get a camera with at least a 28 to 30mm lens at the wide end. The wider angle will come in very useful for indoor shoots, landscapes, travel, budilings, group shots, etc. I could not live without this.


If you want to buy online, try B&H Photo Video. They are probably the best online source for cameras. Good prices and great service. Adorama is a close second.

Here are a few choices that come to mind. They all have stabilization and a wide angle lens. They are right around your budget.

You might also checkout Dpreview.com for good reviews.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...specifications

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...specifications

A lot of MP but it might be worth a look since it's 24mm at the wide end.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...specifications

[Feanor]

Been a photographer for many years and have some limited experience with digital point and shoots.

Batteries - don't worry about this. Not a big deal. AA or the dedicated rechargeables will work fine. You can also get rechargeable AA batteries that will work great.

LCD - most come with at last a 2.5" LCD now that is more than enough. Many now come with 3+ inch screen.

Picture Quality - Most digital P&S are in the 8 to 10mp range now. Personally, I would not go above 10mp. The sensors for a P&S camera are all the same size regardless of how many MP a camera has. The more MP you cram onto a sensor, the greater the chance of getting digital noise. Many P&S cameras use in camera tech to reduce this noise but this in turn will decrease sharpness. So try and stay between 6 and 10mp.

Reliability - don't worry so much about this. Most of the major players like Sony. Nikon, Canon, Casio, Fuji, Pentax, Panasonic, etc are all making good cameras now.

There are two big important items I would look at when buying a P&S,.

Number 1 and it's a BIG one.....DO NOT BUY A DIGITAL P&S CAMERA WITHOUT IMAGE STABILIZATION, PERIOD. It's just too hard to hold them steady when pressing the shutter release. The cameras are so small the act of pressing the shutter release will cause shake which will blur you shots. So, get some form of image stabilization. Different camera companies call it different things. If you buy a camera without it, I will hunt you down and beat you!

The next thing to try and look for...... try and find a P&S with a wide angle lens. Most P&S cameras these days come with lenses that are 35mm or so at the wide end. 35mm is not wide. I would try and get a camera with at least a 28 to 30mm lens at the wide end. The wider angle will come in very useful for indoor shoots, landscapes, travel, budilings, group shots, etc. I could not live without this.

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All good advice, JSE, and I particularly agree about the images stabalization and the wide-angle lens -- 28 mm or less, (35mm equivalent).

Personally I'd like this Panasonic DMC-LX3K for the 24mm lens and relatively advanced features. Unfortunately for you and me, Smokey, it's well above $150.

[JSE]

All good advice, JSE, and I particularly agree about the images stabalization and the wide-angle lens -- 28 mm or less, (35mm equivalent).

Personally I'd like this Panasonic DMC-LX3K for the 24mm lens and relatively advanced features. Unfortunately for you and me, Smokey, it's well above $150.

I have an older Panasonic FX 01 6mp P&S that takes great images. I take with me everywhere when we travel. Sometimes carrying a DSLR and assortment of lenses is no fun and just a small pcoket size P&S is all you need.

[Rich-n-Texas]

All good advice, JSE, and I particularly agree about the images stabalization and the wide-angle lens -- 28 mm or less, (35mm equivalent).

Meh, I'll give him a B+. He is Cartman afterall.

Festus, you got a better chance of fishing out kex's camera that he sent overboard during his last cruise than finding a decent camera under $150.

[GMichael]

Meh, I'll give him a B+. He is Cartman afterall.

Festus, you got a better chance of fishing out kex's camera that he sent overboard during his last cruise than finding a decent camera under $150.

I don't know. The three JSE suggested all look like they'd do a good job. All were in the $150 range.

I'll give him an A. A+'s are only given out to hot babes who went the extra mile.

[JSE]

Meh, I'll give him a B+. He is Cartman afterall.

Festus, you got a better chance of fishing out kex's camera that he sent overboard during his last cruise than finding a decent camera under $150.

Bite me!

I don't know. The three JSE suggested all look like they'd do a good job. All were in the $150 range.

I'll give him an A. A+'s are only given out to hot babes who went the extra mile.

Thanks for the support buddy. Rich's comments really dug deep.

[ForeverAutumn]

I'm on my third digital camera. The first two were Canons but I went with a Panasonic this time around. Many of the Panasonics come with Leica lenses. And I was able to get stability control on the lower end Panasonics but had to go up to about $500 on the Canon's to get this feature. My camera is two years old now and you can get way more for your money now than when I bought mine.

The features that I would recommend are a good lense and a stabilizer (reduces shake from your hands and when zooming). I like a strong zoom lense (mine is 10x optical/40x digital), but if you have a good quality lense and decent megapixals, you can always edit your picture in place of zooming at the time that you take it.

As for batteries, my preference is AA's because if your battery dies and you are not in a position to immediately recharge it (say you're on vacation or on a day trip), you can always buy a set of batteries to get you by. However, this feature requires a bigger camera since it has to be able to hold the batteries. If you want a pocket size camera, you'll have to settle for a rechargable lithium battery.

[Rich-n-Texas]

I'm thinking... should I derail this conversation? Better not. Festus carries around two six-shooters.

[Rich-n-Texas]

Okay okay I'll send ya a Dundee!!! Sheesh!

[02audionoob]

Given that bit of education on sensor dimensions, what do you make of the comment on the sensor on this specs page for an EasyShare...

http://www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQueri...q-locale=en_US

[JSE]

Given that bit of education on sensor dimensions, what do you make of the comment on the sensor on this specs page for an EasyShare...

http://www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQueri...q-locale=en_US

It's a little confusing but the image sensor is not 1 inch by 1.7 inches in size. 1/1.7 actually translates to 7.60mm x5.70mm. WTF?

See chart here:

http://www.anandtech.com/digitalcame...spx?i=3290&p=2

Here is a cool chart from a Flickr member. You'll notice the image sensor in question is at the lower left corner of the chart. Very small compared to other sensors.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/martyoh/2441153135/

I think a lot (meaning most likely all of them) of companies use "fuzzy" math to describe their sensors.

If we have any math whizzes out there, please let us know how 1/1.7 translates to 7.60x5.70mm. I would interested to see this.

[Rich-n-Texas]

Good. Give me one knucklehead.

[GMichael]

You already have a knucklehead.

[JSE]

You already have a knucklehead.

No, No, No, No........get that image out of my brain. No, No, No, No, No....

[Rich-n-Texas]

I want a second one!!! :throws tantrum:

[GMichael]

Work that image out of your brain.

[JSE]

Here is another "explanation" of the whole sensor size mess. I was just going to cut and paste the text to make me look smart but you might end up asking questions so......

Here's a link.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0210/02...ensorsizes.asp

[blackraven]

One feature I find a must on a digital camera is a through the lens view finder or separate optical view finder. This allows for holding the camera up to your face for better stability and it saves greatly on battery usage by not having to keep the lcd screen on to frame up your shot. Also, I would stay away from the larger LCD screens because you will run through your battery power in no time. If you do find one with an optical VF then this is not as much of an issue.

[Feanor]

One feature I find a must on a digital camera is a through the lens view finder or separate optical view finder. This allows for holding the camera up to your face for better stability and it saves greatly on battery usage by not having to keep the lcd screen on to frame up your shot. Also, I would stay away from the larger LCD screens because you will run through your battery power in no time. If you do find one with an optical VF then this is not as much of an issue.

That's a great observation, b/r.

It seems to me that the selection of moderately priced cameras with traditional view finders has shrunk a whole lot. That is, to the point where if one insists on the feature, one is limiting one's choice pretty severely.

[JSE]

That's a great observation, b/r.

It seems to me that the selection of moderately priced cameras with traditional view finders has shrunk a whole lot. That is, to the point where if one insists on the feature, one is limiting one's choice pretty severely.

Yes, a very good obeservation. Unfortunately, viewfinders are becoming a thing of the past for P&S. About the only way to get them now is to go with a "tweener" P&S that is a larger more full featured P&S that has some DLSR qualities.

[Rich-n-Texas]

Yes, a very good obeservation. Unfortunately, viewfinders are becoming a thing of the past for P&S. About the only way to get them now is to go with a "tweener" P&S that is a larger more full featured P&S that has some DLSR qualities.

Do you mean DSLR Mr. expert?