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Exactly my point
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Originally Posted by Woochifer
Glad to see that somebody is actually reading a post and addressing it substantively, rather than fishing for selective misinterpretations and reacting accordingly. I love my vinyl, but that doesn't mean that all of my LPs sound better than their digital equivalents. For every LP in my collection that trounces the CD version, I can just as easily find an LP that sounds worse than the CD.
It's of no use to argue personal preferences. Everyone is going to have an opinion.
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Originally Posted by JoeE SP9
Nightflier, I agree with you completely. From the very first CD player I bought to the worked Marantz and separate DAC I use now, vinyl simply sounds better. The better your gear the easier it is to hear the differences. I too have A B'd the same selections on vinyl and CD. The vinyl always sounds better. 12" singles really blow CD's out of the water. I have put on vinyl after playing CD's and my guests have asked if I was now playing a CD because it sounded better. All women visitors who have shown any interest in recorded sound prefer vinyl over CD including SACD and DVD-A. According to them SACD and DVD-A are better than CD but vinyl is better still.:cool:
You're making a rather sweeping generalization here because there's so much more variability in how the vinyl will sound from title to title, and copy to copy. This is espcially true with 12" singles where a lot of dance remixes are deliberately done differently from the CD transfers. A lot of 12" singles that I've heard are mixed to sound "dry" on the assumption that they will get played in a reverberant dance club environment, whereas the CD will be mixed with a more spacious sound for home audio play. While those 12" singles sounded fine in a club setting, they actually sounded horrible at home.
I will agree though that direct-to-disc and some of the newer 45 RPM sets are hard to beat for their simple musicality. I don't agree at all that the vinyl will always sound better, because frankly there's a lot of bad vinyl out there. And a lot of engineers have finally figured out how to work around the CD medium in the much the same way that certain vinyl mastering engineers knew how to work around the vinyl medium better than others (ever heard of Bob Ludwig or Doug Sax or Bernie Grundman?).
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Originally Posted by Florian
I bet your someone who laughes at his own jokes.
I'm thinking at you to and some of your remarks bit i'm just guessing.:)
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Originally Posted by shokhead
I'm thinking at you to and some of your remarks bit i'm just guessing.:)
And you would be correct! :D
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Sounding better and sounding different could be getting things mixed up. Also i think as it seems to on everything the mixing could play a big role on how a lp sounds vs a cd but what do i know,i ditched my 45's a loooooooooooong time ago. I'm happy with the smaller discs.
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Originally Posted by shokhead
Sounding better and sounding different could be getting things mixed up. Also i think as it seems to on everything the mixing could play a big role on how a lp sounds vs a cd but what do i know,i ditched my 45's a loooooooooooong time ago. I'm happy with the smaller discs.
Well, that's just how these format debates are. Your point about the role of the mixing and mastering points out exactly why these format arguments are absurd. (Almost as absurd as Flo's delusional claim that I was asserting the superiority of the CD format) Moreover, different LP copies of the SAME album can sound very different from one another. One might have been pressed by a fresh stamper and another one might sound distorted because it was pressed from a worn stamper. Same album, same mix, same master source, but very different sound quality. CD are consistent from copy to copy (either they'll play or they won't), but CDs get remastered all the time so even they will sound different from one another.
Unless people have access to the original master source, and can compare the playback, they lack the information needed to draw any conclusions one way or another. It all becomes nothing more than subjective preference. In the meantime, I'll worry more about what I'm listening to, rather than how I'm playing it.
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Well i just load 5 discs that i havent listened to in a long time just to be different.
Guess Who's G Hits
Best of Van Morrison
Sheryl Crow Tue Night
R Stones Sticky Fingers
E Winter They only Come Out at Night
Now there's a mix of music. Sorry Flo,all CD's LOL
But i am playing them all in 2ch because some of you have talked enough about it that i'm trying to go back to it and give it a retry. So far,somewhat nice.
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Originally Posted by Woochifer
You're making a rather sweeping generalization here because there's so much more variability in how the vinyl will sound from title to title, and copy to copy. This is espcially true with 12" singles where a lot of dance remixes are deliberately done differently from the CD transfers. A lot of 12" singles that I've heard are mixed to sound "dry" on the assumption that they will get played in a reverberant dance club environment, whereas the CD will be mixed with a more spacious sound for home audio play. While those 12" singles sounded fine in a club setting, they actually sounded horrible at home.
I will agree though that direct-to-disc and some of the newer 45 RPM sets are hard to beat for their simple musicality. I don't agree at all that the vinyl will always sound better, because frankly there's a lot of bad vinyl out there. And a lot of engineers have finally figured out how to work around the CD medium in the much the same way that certain vinyl mastering engineers knew how to work around the vinyl medium better than others (ever heard of Bob Ludwig or Doug Sax or Bernie Grundman?).
I guess I've been lucky in my purchases. As I said, at my house on my system vinyl always sounds better. Of the 20 or so selections that I have duplicated on CD and vinyl the vinyl always sounds better. Even bad mixes sound more musical on vinyl.
Several years ago in my capacity as a network engineer and programmer I did some work for a gay couple (female) that required my spending a lot of time at their business and home. We became friends and they found out that I was an audiophile. Subsequently one of the first subjects they brought up was their perception that vinyl sounded better than CD's. They had very decent gear at their bar and at home and played vinyl much more than CD. They both said that vinyl was more musical. They introduced me to a lot of their friends who were interested in good sound. Without exception these women prefer vinyl over CD. In every instance they say vinyl is simply more musical. Since it's a medical fact that women have more sensitive hearing than men I'm inclined to listen to their opinions about sound. Those few women who are interested in good sound all prefer vinyl in my experience.
The questions here are a lot like the wire debate. I know as a BSEE that any properly constructed wire should sound the same as any other. My ears tell me different. It is the same with CD's vs. vinyl. CD's especially SACD's and DVD-A's should sound better because of the specs. What I hear daily says this isn't so. This might be all in my mind but it manifests itself in what I hear and perceive and "the ears decide".
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Originally Posted by JoeE SP9
The questions here are a lot like the wire debate. I know as a BSEE that any properly constructed wire should sound the same as any other. My ears tell me different. It is the same with CD's vs. vinyl. CD's especially SACD's and DVD-A's should sound better because of the specs. What I hear daily says this isn't so. This might be all in my mind but it manifests itself in what I hear and perceive and "the ears decide".
Yep, that's exactly how it is, it ultimately comes down to preference. The point that I make with vinyl is that it can subjectively sound very good and can sound better than a digital transfer. But, there's also no mistaking that the vinyl medium itself will add a layer of coloration to the master source -- the compression and EQ'ing that are part of that process ensure this. Recording engineers who have to A/B the board feed with a disc cutter will tell you this, and I've heard this in my own listenings comparing original demo tapes with the vinyl pressings -- the vinyl sounds different. Nothing wrong with preferences and nothing wrong with opining that the vinyl playback is more subjectively "musical" sounding, but IMO vinyl is an imperfect medium that has way too much inherent variability to always sound better than a digital transfer. For me, it's always a case-by-case assessment because of this variability. I mean, if I can shop for used LPs and identify audible differences based on the stamper numbers used for different copies of an album, then that say something.
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Play vinyl and get more chicks!!
If I have a female guest and play music from vinyl I'm more likely to wake up the next morning with her still here. I don't know what it is, but after an evening of playing vinyl they are more apt to stay until the next day. I just happened to noticed this and I have been taking advantage of it. Note to all batchelors. Give this a try. I would like to know if it works for others.:ihih:
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Originally Posted by JoeE SP9
If I have a female guest and play music from vinyl I'm more likely to wake up the next morning with her still here. I don't know what it is, but after an evening of playing vinyl they are more apt to stay until the next day. I just happened to noticed this and I have been taking advantage of it. Note to all batchelors. Give this a try. I would like to know if it works for others.:ihih:
LOL
Back in my bachelor days, live music and swing or salsa dancing worked for me. By the time we got back, cueing up the turntable wasn't the first thing on our minds! :D
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Originally Posted by JoeE SP9
If I have a female guest and play music from vinyl I'm more likely to wake up the next morning with her still here. I don't know what it is, but after an evening of playing vinyl they are more apt to stay until the next day. I just happened to noticed this and I have been taking advantage of it. Note to all batchelors. Give this a try. I would like to know if it works for others.:ihih:
Maybe when you tell her you got a 12" she's thinking something else.:confused5:
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Originally Posted by shokhead
Maybe when you tell her you got a 12" she's thinking something else.:confused5:
What makes you think she's ever disappointed?:ciappa:
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Originally Posted by Woochifer
LOL
Back in my bachelor days, live music and swing or salsa dancing worked for me. By the time we got back, cueing up the turntable wasn't the first thing on our minds! :D
I entertain frequently at home, and noticed that when there was a woman there in the morning I always had a stack of vinyl to put away. I started thinking about the way things were happening. After keeping a check on things for several months it turned out that playing vinyl seemed to make my sex life more successful. It's not a sure thing. I just have more "luck" when I play a lot of vinyl. I'm just wondering if anyone else has noticed the same thing or anything like it? Am I imagining this like I "imagine" differences in wires and cables?:ihih:
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At long last...
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Originally Posted by JoeE SP9
...it turned out that playing vinyl seemed to make my sex life more successful. It's not a sure thing. I just have more "luck" when I play a lot of vinyl...
Now we finally know why teenagers like vinyl more than CD's....
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Originally Posted by nightflier
Now we finally know why teenagers like vinyl more than CD's....
I'm just a kid at heart!:ihih:
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Listen, Thread-Necromancer...
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Originally Posted by JoeE SP9
Since it's a medical fact that women have more sensitive hearing than men I'm inclined to listen to their opinions about sound.
You may want to check your facts. Only black women under the age of 30 have measurably better hearing than any other ethnic/gender group.
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Holy thread revival,
and I still think that vinyl beats cd...
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Where did you get this stat?
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Originally Posted by Rock&Roll Ninja
You may want to check your facts. Only black women under the age of 30 have measurably better hearing than any other ethnic/gender group.
This is certainly news to me. Where did you get this?
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Originally Posted by Rock&Roll Ninja
You may want to check your facts. Only black women under the age of 30 have measurably better hearing than any other ethnic/gender group.
Not true.
Young children have the best hearing capability regardless of gender or age :)
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Originally Posted by jrhymeammo
bump..
So bumping a thread makes me lose my rep?
Fire away folks.
JRA
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I like both, but I still prefer my iPod over vinyl records.
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