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  • 11-05-2012, 02:43 PM
    Sir Terrence the Terrible
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    Originally Posted by E-Stat View Post
    If the numbers were consistent from quarter to quarter, they would matter. A rise in one is no assurance of a rise in others.

    You obviously did not read what I posted. The sales have been rising consistently for THREE QUARTERS, not just one.


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    Able to read online reports from the internet about historical sales figures. BR and digital increases have not kept pace with declining DVD sales.

    DEG sales figures through 2010

    DEG 2011 figures

    "Consumers spent a total of $18.04 billion on Blu-ray Disc, DVD and digital sales and rentals during the year, about 2% less than the $18.43 billion they spent in 2010, according to DEG, which bases its figures on studio and retail data."

    By all means, present the data behind your assertion to the contrary. :)
    You post data from 2010 and 2011 and want to be taken seriously here? Are you sure your name is not Bozo, because you sure are behaving like a clown.

    Here is first half sales figures.

    Hollywood extends slow turnaround in home video sales | Reuters

    While a rise of Bluray sales alone have not offset DVD sales declines(3.7% overall loss) according to NDP(which is far more comprehensive than DEG) Streaming licensing sales have increased 38% which tallies to a 35% increase in home video entertainment sales as of the end of the third quarter(September). So there is absolutely no truth to your assertion that the studios are losing money. We have not even talked out licensing income the studios are getting from VUDU, Netflix, Amazon, are other streaming sites which according to NDP has jumped 120% from two years ago. When Netflix first negotiated contracts with the studios to stream their movies, it costs them 300 million dollars to do it. This year Netflix estimates it will cost them $1 billion dollars to negotiate those same contracts. That is Netflix alone Ralph.

    Last time I checked, you cannot use sales figures from 1-2 years ago to describe what is happening today This is like taking my birthday from two years ago to tell my age today.. You need to get it through your thick head that the financial health of the studios is no longer tied to the DVD. That is the old financial model. These days the studios get revenue from a plethora of sources - that is the new model.

    Get with the times Ralph.
  • 11-05-2012, 02:58 PM
    E-Stat
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    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    You obviously did not read what I posted. The sales have been rising consistently for THREE QUARTERS, not just one.

    Sure I did. Any they can tank for the fourth. The game isn't over until it's over. The trend is consistently downhill. Maybe, 2012 will reverse the decade old trend.

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    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    You post data from 2010 and 2011 and want to be taken seriously here?

    Had you read the link, you'd find that I posted data from 1999 to 2011 to understand the consistent decline since 2004.

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    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post

    Very interesting. Let's do some Jethro math, shall we?

    "n the first half of the year, consumers spent $8.4 billion to rent, buy or stream movies, a 1.4 increase from last year."

    Now double that for four quarters and compare that figure to the $18.04B total for last year. What would be your conclusion in terms of the trend line?

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    So there is absolutely no truth to your assertion that the studios are losing money.

    I've never said that.

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    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    This year Netflix estimates it will cost them $1 billion dollars to negotiate those same contracts. That is Netflix alone Ralph.

    Your're really getting off track here. What I have consistently said is that sales has been consistently down for the past eight years. At the expense of pointing out the obvious, the public doesn't spend money on "licensing". They buy what they buy.


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    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    Last time I checked, you cannot use sales figures from 1-2 years ago to describe what is happening today.

    Apparently, you don't understand the concept of *trends*.

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    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    You need to get it through your thick head that the financial health of the studios is no longer tied to the DVD.

    You continue to struggle with coordinating your rants with whoever you imagine has spoken about the "health of the studios". Now that you ask, I suspect they will continue to make plenty of money. Just selling less product to the public.
  • 11-06-2012, 10:04 AM
    Sir Terrence the Terrible
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by E-Stat View Post
    Sure I did. Any they can tank for the fourth. The game isn't over until it's over. The trend is consistently downhill. Maybe, 2012 will reverse the decade old trend.

    Using trends as a measure, the fourth quarter has never tanked, even when times were really bad for the industry.


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    Had you read the link, you'd find that I posted data from 1999 to 2011 to understand the consistent decline since 2004.
    Old news, and not relevant to today. Besides, DVD sales peaked in 2005, and was growing before then. So from 1999 to 2011 it was not in decline. Try again....



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    Very interesting. Let's do some Jethro math, shall we?

    "n the first half of the year, consumers spent $8.4 billion to rent, buy or stream movies, a 1.4 increase from last year."

    Now double that for four quarters and compare that figure to the $18.04B total for last year. What would be your conclusion in terms of the trend line?
    First let's get something straight here. DEG always under-reports as they only aggregate 60% of the retail outlets. NDP aggregates 97% which is why the industry pays for the reports from NDP, and DEG information can be found online. So let's go with the most accurate here. NDP states that $8.4 billion is from the first quarter, not the first half. The second quarter results show $4.7 billion, and the third quarter was $4.4 billion. The fourth quarter totals are(based on trends) much higher than any other quarter based on the last four years trends, so there is no doubt this year will surpass last years total - hence why the studios are so upbeat for this year.


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    I've never said that.
    Then wonder why overall revenue is down despite marginal gains in one format vs another.

    When one states that revenue is down, they are saying the studios are losing money. Not only is revenue NOT down, and your hedging is not fooling anyone. Overall revenue includes sales of discs, VOD, streaming income, AND liscensing income as well, not just disc sales. OVERALL means everything.


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    Your're really getting off track here. What I have consistently said is that sales has been consistently down for the past eight years. At the expense of pointing out the obvious, the public doesn't spend money on "licensing". They buy what they buy.
    Since you have not added any detail to your "sales have been consistently down" comment, it is meaningless. Sales have been consistently down for DVD, not Bluray, not streaming, and not VOD. You like to paint incomplete pictures and pass them off as finished. Not only is that misleading, but is is disingenuous as well.



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    Apparently, you don't understand the concept of *trends*.
    I understand it quite well. I understand it so well that I know you cannot use "trends" from the last 3 years to describe what is happening today - especially in light of the fact that the trend is moving in the opposite direction of that period.


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    You continue to struggle with coordinating your rants with whoever you imagine has spoken about the "health of the studios". Now that you ask, I suspect they will continue to make plenty of money. Just selling less product to the public.
    You continue to struggle with understanding how this industry works. They are not selling less product, they are selling far MORE product. They are selling less DVD's, but more Blurays, more streaming, and more VOD. Three mores and one less does not equal less product to the public. You continue to look at only one measure, and the film industry is judged by more than one measure.

    When you stupidly make a claim that the industry is losing revenue(Then wonders why business is down. , and selling less product, you better have better sources to back up that claim than what you presented here. So far you have not proven your point, and probably won't be able to because you lack accurate information to do so.
  • 11-06-2012, 10:14 AM
    E-Stat
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    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    First let's get something straight here. DEG always under-reports as they only aggregate 60% of the retail outlets. NDP aggregates 97% which is why the industry pays for the reports from NDP, and DEG information can be found online.

    You're not convincing without data.

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    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    When one states that revenue is down, they are saying the studios are losing money.

    Sorry, that's simply not true. Revenue can vary widely for any company above the black line.

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    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    Overall revenue includes sales of discs, VOD, streaming income, AND liscensing income as well, not just disc sales. OVERALL means everything.

    Exactly. Had you followed the DEG link, you'll find separate figures for hard media, digital and rental. I reported the summed totals.

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    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    Since you have not added any detail to your "sales have been consistently down" comment, it is meaningless.

    You are free to ignore the DEG data from 1999.

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    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    I understand it quite well. I understand it so well that I know you cannot use "trends" from the last 3 years to describe what is happening today - especially in light of the fact that the trend is moving in the opposite direction of that period.

    For the past eight years, the numbers have been consistently down. That's called a trend. Perhaps 2012 will reverse the course.

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    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    When you stupidly make a claim that the industry is losing revenue(Then wonders why business is down. , and selling less product, you better have better sources to back up that claim than what you presented here.

    Then provide some data that supports your position and not that of DEG. :)
  • 11-06-2012, 10:26 AM
    Sir Terrence the Terrible
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by E-Stat View Post
    You're not convincing without data.

    You are welcome to purchase NDP reports if you can afford them.


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    Sorry, that's simply not true. Revenue can vary widely for any company above the black line.
    More hedging.....


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    Exactly. Had you followed the DEG link, you'll find separate figures for hard media, digital and rental. I reported the summed totals.


    You are free to ignore the DEG data from 1999.
    If you look at your own link, DVD was not losing sales in 1999, it was growing. DVD was introduced to the public in 1997

    1999 $12.2 $1.1 $0.0 $0.6 $13.9
    2000 $11.4 $2.4 $0.0 $0.7 $14.5
    2001 $10.9 $5.3 $0.0 $0.7 $16.9
    2002 $9.6 $8.6 $0.0 $0.7 $19.0
    2003 $6.9 $13.1 $0.0 $0.7 $20.7
    2004 $4.4 $16.7 $0.0 $0.7 $21.8
    2005 $2.1 $18.9 $0.0 $0.8 $21.7
    2006 $0.4 $20.2 $0.0 $1.0 $21.6
    2007 $0.1 $19.7 $0.3 $1.3 $21.4
    2008 $0.1 $18.4 $0.9 $1.6 $21.0
    2009* $0.0 $15.8 $1.5 $2.1 $19.4
    2010 $0.0 $14.0 $2.3 $2.5 $18.8

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    For the past eight years, the numbers have been consistently down. That's called a trend. Perhaps 2012 will reverse the course.
    That would be seven Ralph, not eight.


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    Then provide some data that supports your position and not that of DEG. :)
    I already did. Read my posts or purchase NDP's reports. Take your pick.
  • 11-06-2012, 10:34 AM
    E-Stat
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    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    More hedging...

    To say whenever revenue is down for a business, that immediately means they're losing money is a hilarious claim. :)

    Sales down 5.4 percent...IBM still saw net income fall by four-tenths of a per cent to $3.82bn.

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    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    That would be seven Ralph, not eight.

    Mea culpa. Revenue has been consistently down for seven years. We'll see if 2012 changes the trend.
  • 11-06-2012, 11:08 AM
    Sir Terrence the Terrible
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by E-Stat View Post
    To say whenever revenue is down for a business, that immediately means they're losing money is a hilarious claim. :)

    Sales down 5.4 percent...IBM still saw net income fall by four-tenths of a per cent to $3.82bn.

    To say because DVD sales are dropping the studios are losing revenue is equally hilarious. Revenue comes from ALL sources, not just disc, streaming, or VOD.


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    Mea culpa. Revenue has been consistently down for seven years. We'll see if 2012 changes the trend.
    It has so far.
  • 11-06-2012, 11:25 AM
    E-Stat
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    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    To say because DVD sales are dropping the studios are losing revenue is equally hilarious.

    Mr. Short Term Memory strikes again. :)

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    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    Revenue comes from ALL sources, not just disc, streaming, or VOD.

    The terms used in the DEG data and your earlier link refer to "home entertainment spending" or "home video sales". Take your choice.
  • 11-08-2012, 09:44 AM
    Sir Terrence the Terrible
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    Originally Posted by E-Stat View Post
    Mr. Short Term Memory strikes again. :)

    Mr. Don't know what he is talking about also stikes again.


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    The terms used in the DEG data and your earlier link refer to "home entertainment spending" or "home video sales". Take your choice.
    You don't have to make a choice.....
  • 11-08-2012, 10:00 AM
    Hyfi
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    Are you sure your name is not Bozo, because you sure are behaving like a clown.

    Do you have the ability to post in any thread without calling someone names?

    You talk about respect, your loss of respect for others, but you show nothing for others to respect.

    Every disagreement you get involved in ends up with you calling others names.
  • 11-08-2012, 10:01 AM
    E-Stat
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    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    Mr. Don't know what he is talking about also stikes again.

    I don't know of anyone who has made your empty claim. Certainly not I. Quote the comment to which you refer.

    What is obvious to those who followed the DEG links is that gains in BR and digital have not offset the larger losses with DVDs.
  • 11-08-2012, 10:06 AM
    Sir Terrence the Terrible
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hyfi View Post
    Do you have the ability to post in any thread without calling someone names?

    You talk about respect, your loss of respect for others, but you show nothing for others to respect.

    Every disagreement you get involved in ends up with you calling others names.

    And here is my demonstation of how I lost respect for you. Go screw yourself......

    Now I hope you understand how I truely feel about you,
  • 11-08-2012, 10:11 AM
    Sir Terrence the Terrible
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by E-Stat View Post
    I don't know of anyone who has made your empty claim. Certainly not I. Quote the comment to which you refer.

    What is obvious to those who followed the DEG links is that gains in BR and digital have not offset the larger losses with DVDs.

    If you use DEG figures(which nobody does), you are right. But DEG only reports 60% of retail, so it is not an accurate picture - and why nobody in the industry will pay for the information.

    If you use NDP(which everyone does, and pays for because it is accurate) which reports 97% of retail, then you are wrong.

    Take your choice, inaccurate = conclusion or accurate = conclusion. Your choice....
  • 11-08-2012, 10:15 AM
    Hyfi
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    And here is my demonstation of how I lost respect for you. Go screw yourself......

    Now I hope you understand how I truely feel about you,

    As if I really care what you think. You show us who you really are in every thread you post in.
  • 11-08-2012, 10:19 AM
    Sir Terrence the Terrible
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    Originally Posted by Hyfi View Post
    As if I really care what you think. You show us who you really are in every thread you post in.

    Good...then go screw yourself......
  • 11-08-2012, 10:54 AM
    Hyfi
  • 11-08-2012, 05:45 PM
    Sir Terrence the Terrible
    The coward I invision you are runs faster.
  • 11-09-2012, 12:06 PM
    Hyfi
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    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    The coward I invision you are runs faster.

    Nobody is running anywhere but I have decided you are more of a Mr T than a Sir T always telling everyone to "Shut Up You Fool"
  • 11-09-2012, 02:37 PM
    Sir Terrence the Terrible
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    Originally Posted by Hyfi View Post
    Nobody is running anywhere but I have decided you are more of a Mr T than a Sir T always telling everyone to "Shut Up You Fool"

    Great, now go screw yourself....
  • 11-10-2012, 10:34 AM
    Hyfi
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mr T
    says

    Great, now go screw yourself....Fool
  • 11-10-2012, 06:46 PM
    Sir Terrence the Terrible
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hyfi View Post
    Great, now go screw yourself....Fool

    Do you always talk to mirrors?

    That's kind of weird you know........