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I wouldn't debate the issue because I haven't heard the Onkyo but it held it's own with some pretty expensive competition in the Class T shoot out. I think if it was based on sound quality it might just kick some butt. You may be correct that there are some good integrated amps for $700.00 but I doubt if any of them come from Yamaha. I had a vintage Yamaha costing that much back in the day and it was disappointing. I had a Luxman receiver and especially my Sansui au9500 kill the Yamaha.
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I wouldn't debate the issue because I haven't heard the Onkyo but it held it's own with some pretty expensive competition in the Class T shoot out. I think if it was based on sound quality it might just kick some butt. You may be correct that there are some good integrated amps for $700.00 but I doubt if any of them come from Yamaha. I had a vintage Yamaha costing that much back in the day and it was disappointing. I had a Luxman receiver and especially my Sansui au9500 kill the Yamaha.
I think that its really funny that the Onkyo has a PHONO STAGE
My current onkyo has a dedicated stage, but a pure mode for completely analog sound.
Most turntable addicts would go to the gallows before hooking their precious platter up to a digital amp.
Nice of them to include one tho:1:
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Oh yeah, the fate of HDDVD, which is CURTAINS
I have seen stronger formats tank.
As for what you "get " if I'm right, well, its what you wont "get", an expensive doorstop
or "boatanchor"(fill with concrete, makes a great boatanchor)
And if I am wrong? No harm or foul as Blu wjll be the dominant format:ihih:
...and I have seen weaker formats succeed.
As for the guarantee... What kind of prize is that? ;-) I was hoping for maybe some extra software to add to my HD DVD collection (maybe that nice Harry Potter collection coming out in the fall?)... oh well.
We will see, I guess. With Toshiba coming out with new 3rd gen models in October; one with a street price of $199 (the HD-A3) versus Blu-ray, offering the blockbuster Spiderman trilogy, it is going to be an interesting holiday season. The best part is I win either way. :-)
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HD-DVD market advantages
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We will see, I guess. With Toshiba coming out with new 3rd gen models in October; one with a street price of $199 (the HD-A3) versus Blu-ray, offering the blockbuster Spiderman trilogy, it is going to be an interesting holiday season. The best part is I win either way. :-)
I think the $199 HD-DVD player is indicative of some un-touted advantages. As was mentioned in several earlier threads about the format war, HD-DVD players and disks are less difficult to manufacture and benefit from a bit less in licensing fees. Also, having been the first out of the gate, HD-DVD has had more time in the market to allow prices to fall. I think both these factors have made it possible for Toshiba and Microsoft to lower the price of their players well beyond what Sony and the rest of the Blu-Ray camp have been able to offer.
I think this is significant and could very well give them a bump in this race. $199 for a player coming out in September is ideal for them as this gives ample time to ramp up production for the coming xmas season. With sales, rebates, and bundle pricing, I can easily picture a $99 player on sale at CC/BB right after Thanksgiving. This would be attractive to anyone looking to replace an aging standard DVD player.
Personally, I still want to see this price advantage trickle down to the cost of the disks, but maybe by xmas that may actually happen. They are already slightly lower than BR disks at some stores, which I imagine is fallout from the barrage of premature tales of doom-and-gloom that BR has won the war. If HD-DVD disks drop in price some more and offer real cost-savings compared to BR, the tide could very well change (much to Pixel's chagrin, I'm sure).
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Just going by the projected retail prices of BR players they aren't lowering their prices. Denon's are $1&2k, Samsung is remaining about where the BD-P1200 was. I haven't seen Panasonic's pricing of any new players. Look, the HD-DVD cheap price hasn't done much for them yet and maybe going lower will just look like they are unloading. Limited to only one companies movie titles has to hurt. If Warner starts pumping out the duel format discs that may give HD-DVD a shot in the arm. I have to admit, I am shocked that Toshiba's $299.00 price didn't have them rolling out the door. Especially compared to BR prices. I wonder if the demand for either is very high. I also wonder at $199.00 if the Tosh will still have the Silicon Optics chip for upconverting. I know one thing, if they can't give them away at $199.00 or less, they should give up.
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Just going by the projected retail prices of BR players they aren't lowering their prices. Denon's are $1&2k, Samsung is remaining about where the BD-P1200 was. I haven't seen Panasonic's pricing of any new players. Look, the HD-DVD cheap price hasn't done much for them yet and maybe going lower will just look like they are unloading. Limited to only one companies movie titles has to hurt. If Warner starts pumping out the duel format discs that may give HD-DVD a shot in the arm. I have to admit, I am shocked that Toshiba's $299.00 price didn't have them rolling out the door. Especially compared to BR prices. I wonder if the demand for either is very high. I also wonder at $199.00 if the Tosh will still have the Silicon Optics chip for upconverting. I know one thing, if they can't give them away at $199.00 or less, they should give up.
Actually HD DVD has plenty of studios (major and minor) on board, in the case of Warner, they have always supported HD DVD (actually they may be its biggest supporter if you measure support by number of titles released). They just have Universal as their only major studio that only supports HD DVD (no BD support). Of course that said, BD has Sony, its subsidiaries and Fox solely in their court (no HD DVD support) and that could work to BD's favor over time.
As for chip set, the chip set on the new HD DVD players is the same as the 2nd gen players, just with some enhancements. The retail on the lowest model is also the same as the HD-A2 ($299), just HD DVD is going to have a $100 off rebate offer in the works shortly after the next gen model's release (I guess in time for the holiday season)... I would agree that if a $199 street price does not get consumers to jump on board, it will be a tough sell for HD DVD going forward.
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Disney is BluRay only as well,which gives them the top 3 grossing studios.In 2006 Sony,Fox and Disney combined for about half of all movie business in North America.
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I want Blu-ray to win. Who else is with me???
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Disney is BluRay only as well,which gives them the top 3 grossing studios.In 2006 Sony,Fox and Disney combined for about half of all movie business in North America.
bill
Absolutely right... I knew I forgot one...
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Just so there's some levity in the world...
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Originally Posted by PeruvianSkies
I want Blu-ray to win. Who else is with me???
I want HD-DVD to win. Who else is with me???
Seriously, I want both #$%@# sides to stop #*&^$% wining like little #^%$^& weenies, sit down as %$@# grownups and hammer their ^&%$^ issues out so that I can finally buy a $#@%$ player without having to worry that my favorite @!#$% movie will be available in that %$^#$ format!
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Originally Posted by nightflier
I want HD-DVD to win. Who else is with me???
Seriously, I want both #$%@# sides to stop #*&^$% wining like little #^%$^& weenies, sit down as %$@# grownups and hammer their ^&%$^ issues out so that I can finally buy a $#@%$ player without having to worry that my favorite @!#$% movie will be available in that %$^#$ format!
Ditto,enough already.
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I want Blu-ray to win. Who else is with me???
BLU RAY has already won. Congradulations
The computer camp wants the extra storage.
Most studios are backing it.
The price isnt that much higher and there are real advantages (extra disc space, etc)
The water is streaming out the dike in several places, one of these days the dike will DISAPEAR
And nightflier can quit cussing:hand:
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I was leaning toward the BR camp. But now I'm thinking that they both are losers. I'm all for watching HD on cable now.
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If any of you who think you want HD on cable only haven't compared. With cable the performance has many variables from town to town and house to house but Blu-ray is quite a bit better than my cable HD feed.
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Originally Posted by pixelthis
BLU RAY has already won. Congradulations
The computer camp wants the extra storage.
Most studios are backing it.
The price isnt that much higher and there are real advantages (extra disc space, etc)
The water is streaming out the dike in several places, one of these days the dike will DISAPEAR
And nightflier can quit cussing:hand:
Is there around the same time that you'll learn how to spell?
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Is there around the same time that you'll learn how to spell?
Sure dont need lessons from YOU, Mr there:prrr:
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Sure dont need lessons from YOU, Mr there:prrr:
There's a difference between a typo and flat out being uneducated, which you clearly are as you can't even spell simple words like: congratulations. Besides my mistake (besides being a typo) was also an issue of grammar, not spelling.
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There's a difference between a typo and flat out being uneducated, which you clearly are as you can't even spell simple words like: congratulations. Besides my mistake (besides being a typo) was also an issue of grammar, not spelling.
So you're boo-boo was a typo, mine was a result of being "uneducated"
So tell me, you elitist bore, just how do you know how much education I have?.
You are not only a ninny, you're a stuck up ninny:prrr:
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Originally Posted by Mr Peabody
If any of you who think you want HD on cable only haven't compared. With cable the performance has many variables from town to town and house to house but Blu-ray is quite a bit better than my cable HD feed.
Good point. I knew this but somehow forgot.
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So you're boo-boo was a typo, mine was a result of being "uneducated"
So tell me, you elitist bore, just how do you know how much education I have?.
You are not only a ninny, you're a stuck up ninny:prrr:
Why do I feel like Lex and SVI were cloned into one person?
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Why do I feel like Lex and SVI were cloned into one person?
Let me ask you, if some inbred south american questioned your education without knowing anything about you how would you feel?
My electronics classes were awhile ago, and I've been out of the field for some time,
but I HAVE taken apart a television and for my "final project" built a three stage
fet transistor amp. And I have "dabbled" in this hobby of HT for 20 years,
and audio for about 40 (I'm fifty years old)
Basically I had an audio only system composed of denon, genesis, NAD, pioneer,
and Thorens BEFORE mr. peruvian was a wet spot on his mothers side of the bed.
I have forgotten more about this stuff than he will ever learn.
He might have a "10k AUDIO SYSTEM " as he likes to brag about, but he also has a ten cent head to go along with it:incazzato:
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Let me ask you, if some inbred south american questioned your education without knowing anything about you how would you feel?
My electronics classes were awhile ago, and I've been out of the field for some time,
but I HAVE taken apart a television and for my "final project" built a three stage
fet transistor amp. And I have "dabbled" in this hobby of HT for 20 years,
and audio for about 40 (I'm fifty years old)
Basically I had an audio only system composed of denon, genesis, NAD, pioneer,
and Thorens BEFORE mr. peruvian was a wet spot on his mothers side of the bed.
I have forgotten more about this stuff than he will ever learn.
He might have a "10k AUDIO SYSTEM " as he likes to brag about, but he also has a ten cent head to go along with it:incazzato:
I don't recall ever mentioning how much my audio system cost...nor do I recall 'bragging' about it. I am not a price-dropper unlike yourself. Besides 10K would actually be LESS than what I have wrapped up in my gear, so I would actually be modest in my bragging. Oh and who is South American ????
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I realize that sometimes things can get heated on a thread but race or cultural slurrs are totally inappropriate. One of the assets of this board is the fact that we can communicate and exchange ideas with those in other countries.
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Why do I feel like Lex and SVI were cloned into one person?
Oh my %#@*in gawwddd....that thing...should not be...just imagine, all the poorly spelled, unintelligible, incomprehensible sentences with every third word CAPITALIZED!
(vocalized shudder)
To be fair, I think SVI was somewhat innocent. Lex was just a complete woman-hatin' moron.
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Oh and who is South American ????
People living in Peru are South American. Peru is in South America. :D Glad I could help.
To be fair, you did mention $10,000 in audio equipment next to a 30" HDTV
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People living in Peru are South American. Peru is in South America. :D Glad I could help.
To be fair, you did mention $10,000 in audio equipment next to a 30" HDTV
When was that? I honestly don't recall.
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..meanwhile, they wouldn't say the same thing if they saw my 30" HDTV flanked with nearly 10K worth of audio stuff.
I only noted it because I read this thread for the first time today.
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I only noted it because I read this thread for the first time today.
Yeah, but the purpose of me posting that was not to make myself look good or to brag about it, it was simply to emphasize my point about audio and video and what people perceive as being important and such.
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Oh my %#@*in gawwddd....that thing...should not be...just imagine, all the poorly spelled, unintelligible, incomprehensible sentences with every third word CAPITALIZED!
(vocalized shudder)
To be fair, I think SVI was somewhat innocent. Lex was just a complete woman-hatin' moron.
Yes, SVI was innocent. Information just didn't seem to be able to find away to get into his head.
Lex, knew a few things. Just enough to get himself into fights about it. His biggest downfall was that he wouldn't back off once he ran into someone who knew more. He'd just keep spouting off about how stupid the other person was.
Pixledick is a great combination of both of them. Granted, he's more like Lex than SVI. But there is a little SVI inside him, no doubt. (pun intended)
PS, PD keeps messing with you because he sees that it upsets you. He's having fun at your expense. IE: You keep feeding the trolls.
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Let me ask you, if some inbred south american questioned your education without knowing anything about you how would you feel?
Wow. All this because "PennsylvaniaSkies" wasn't as good of a song title.
Damn, why's he gotta be inbred?
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Wow. All this because "PennsylvaniaSkies" wasn't as good of a song title.
Damn, why's he gotta be inbred?
Omgoodness....bobsticks...I have been looking for just the perfect compilation disc title...I think that's gonna be it!!! Sweet.
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Wow. All this because "PennsylvaniaSkies" wasn't as good of a song title.
Damn, why's he gotta be inbred?
Just my luck! I'm planning to to take a few friends and a few canoes down a PA river in two weeks. Why do I keep hearing a bango?
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Just my luck! I'm planning to to take a few friends and a few canoes down a PA river in two weeks. Why do I keep hearing a bango?
Hey G, you been practicing your pig squeels?
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Hey G, you been practicing your pig squeels?
That's it! I'm setting a trap. A couple of razors up my b.t should slow them down.
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My oh my, what course has this thread taken? I think Wooch needs to come along and right the ship again. And... when oh when will PD get the message?
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PS, PD keeps messing with you because he sees that it upsets you...
I disagree. For the most part this guy is absolutely unwilling or unable to admit it when he's wrong. You'll never read: you're right, or, my mistake... ever. He'll do whatever it takes to either side-step the fact that someone's proved him wrong, or he'll throw up a smokescreen to steer the point into a direction favorable to him. That's it. I know this because I work day in and day out with a "thinks he knows it all" personality just like him.
BTW, what's a "bango"? :idea:
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What was this thread about, anyhow?
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What was this thread about, anyhow?
It's about..............
.........3 pages too long.
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My oh my, what course has this thread taken? I think Wooch needs to come along and right the ship again. And... when oh when will PD get the message?
Right the ship? Uh, sleep deprivation (baby's now 11 weeks in, and I'm getting 6 hours of sleep a night instead of 3!) and getting lost while trying to find my way back across the border from Kex's 6k celebration kinda disqualifies me from playing navigator on this voyage! :cornut:
As for PD, I think you're giving him a little bit too much credit! Lot of his posts are prototypical flame bait, and it would not surprise me if he's a reincarnation of any number of past muckrakers who've passed through these parts.
BTW, what was the topic again? :18:
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My oh my, what course has this thread taken? I think Wooch needs to come along and right the ship again. And... when oh when will PD get the message?
I disagree. For the most part this guy is absolutely unwilling or unable to admit it when he's wrong. You'll never read: you're right, or, my mistake... ever. He'll do whatever it takes to either side-step the fact that someone's proved him wrong, or he'll throw up a smokescreen to steer the point into a direction favorable to him. That's it. I know this because I work day in and day out with a "thinks he knows it all" personality just like him.
BTW, what's a "bango"? :idea:
Just because you dont like what I say doesnt make it "wrong".
As for the current "disagreement" with ol peruvian skier, well, this elitist nutcase started
it. Where I come from if you dont defend yourself you are just as guilty as the one throwing
the crap.
As for comments about being "inbred" and a few others (pixeldick comes to mind) I have a thick skin but to then turn around and say I am the one who started throwing slurs?
Got it a bit backwards dont we? Probably the way you're HT is wired considering what you know about electronics.
The truth is that most on this pitiful "forum" know next to nothing save the myths and
nonsense that has somehow managed to migrate over from audio to video.
Audiophiles claim that obsolete tube designs are better, turntables with half the dynamic range are "better", and a lot on this site claim that CRT'S are "better", in spite of the
obvious that even the great unwashed can see, mainly that the day of the CRT is over,
and thank god, I have put up with these beasts for decades, not out of choice but nessesity.
Oh and KEX theres a reason your plywood speakers arent half as good as a pair
of Cerwin Vegas, but I wont bother to tell you, since you obviously already know everything
Rich on paper (and not for long the way the market is going) I used to think you were a pretty nice guy, but you have turned pretty hostile since I have pointed out the obvoius,
mainly that the day of the microprojection DLP are numbered.
When you can get a 50in DLP for 998$, and the cheapest 42in lcd is a grand,
and nobody is buying the dlp, well, do I have to paint you a picture?
As for being a "troll", if that is what intruding upon this comfortable little circle jerk is,
then thats what I am.
Sit around and keep mouthing the same nonsense, and agreeing with each other about basic untruths, ignorant about everything but your own greatness, which is largely a delusion, and wonder why the numbers on this forum keep shrinking.
I posted a few radical ideas, trying to ignite some form of debate, hell, ignite SOMETHING,
BUT HAVE RECEIVED NOTHING BUT HOSTILITY.
So I will leave you bunch of clueless "inbred" know-nothings and return to some of the REAL forums out there, some that actually entertain a few new ideas every once in awhile.
And from you're posts peruvian skier I know the truth, that you are 12 years old or less, you're folks need to give you a spanking:mad5:
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