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Originally Posted by sonicbrush
allegedly owning a Velodyne ... the Sony KDL 46S4100. I'm sure you'll knock that too and call me names.
Allegedly? Well, check out the photo below for proof. I never said a word about the BFD. I don't particularly care for it myself. Before my SMS-1 I owned an ART 351 to EQ my sub. Before you critisize it know that SVS used to sell them. We don't all agree here on every component. You seem to have a problem reading accurately.
We have a lot of fun here agreeing and also disagreeing, even with some goofy humor at times. As friends occasionally do we even get into some heated arguments and on rare occasions have been know to name call, it's good for releaving stress. All the guys and gals here are nice people and friends.
Actually for an LCD, I think the Sony Bravia is one of the best choices. Personally, I prefer plasma's for a number of reasons. We argue this subject at length on this forum.
If you look below my avatar you will see that I am not an audiophile (even though I have 40 years in this hobby), but an audio/HT Nut - version 1.3 (there is subtle distinction). I like to be somewhat precise although I do make frequent typing mistakes. BTW, Panasonic does not make a 40" plasma as you mention above. They did make a 37" and still make a 42".
You're the one that came here and started name calling and being rather insulting. Perhaps you would be much better off at this forum:
http://www.manfromuranus.com/forum/list.php?f=1
RR6 :ciappa: :ciappa: :ciappa:
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Originally Posted by nightflier
I went back to Costco. That Sharp 52" model number is LCC5255U (item #52055), which looks to be a Costco model number. It's selling for $1699.99 - $300 coupon (if they have enough to last by the time I get my turn). It says on the box it's 1080p, but nothing about 120Hz. Does anyone know if it does 120Hz?
BTW, I've been thinking a lot about SD picture quality. If I add a decent upconverting DVD player ('been looking at Panasonic, NAD & Cambridge), then the only SD I'll be watching is upconverted. I know it's not the same as true HD, but if the player does a decent job, then that will be a minor issue. As for TV, I've already deleted all the SD channels from the memory of my Samsung HD OTA tuner, so if the TV has a similar OTA tuner, then that's all I'll be watching. Besides, I'm guessing that after February most OTA-broadcasting stations will make an effort to improve picture quality to keep viewers.
Still that doesn't change how well a TV handles motion, diagonal lines, and pixelation, the three most irritating issues with LCD. When I view an LCD screen I feel like the image is flickering. Plasma has a similar effect, but less so. The edges on plasma look better it seems to have less pixelation.
What scares me about Plasma is the shipping. Mail order is pretty much out of the question, so I need to buy locally and with a good warranty, like they offer at Costco (and to a lesser extent CC/BB). Fortunately there's enough stores here in SoCal, but it's still a matter of actually getting one. Many stores have just a few and tomorrow most of those will be sold.
Anyhow, LCD is still an option, especially at that price. If anyone can give me some specs on that 52" Sharp at Costco, that would help.
One more question, is there a "dynamic contrast ratio" I should be shooting for? Some are like 30K:1 while others are as low as 1600:1. Does this even matter? Some also mention speed in ms. I know this is an issue when purchasing monitors for our graphic design staff at work, but does it really matter with a TV?
Thanks, in advance for all the info.
My set has dynamic contrast, and its usless, really.
Thats because it disables the backlight control, and without that
I get calls from the space station complaining.
As for the other stuff ( pixlization, etc) that is totally made up, if you claim to see such artifacts then you are either telling a story or
delusional, because even if they did exist (which they dont) you wouldnt notice with a 5ms response.
The human eye cant even perceive the 24fps in movies.
AS for plasma its been out for less than a decade, anything as to its longetivty is pure conjecture, truth is, nobody knows.
Where are all of these "projections" of 100,000 hours of life coming from?
Computers.
And that is exactly what they are...projections!:1:
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BTW, any "pixlization" is going to come from the source, not the display, it happens when the signal gets weak.
liKE "RUNNERS" EKG:1:
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Originally Posted by RoadRunner6
Pix's inbred induced comments are a perfect example of my statement above:
".....These comments are directed mainly to quality brand plasma's and is another reason not to buy el cheapo sets which specifically usually have very disappointing PQ on SDTV......"
He owns a Vizio LCD TV which gives very good performance on HDTV but lousy performance on SDTV.
Nightflier, disregard all the published specs on contrast ratio. There is no common industry wide method of measuring contrast ratio. Manufacturers can list about anything they want. Only consider comparative contrast figures from reviews that test different models on the same basis.
Speed in ms refers to the pixels ability to quickly change. LCD's have in the past had problems with "motion blur" due to their slowness. They have improved signifiantly but still lag (pun intended) behind plasma. If you watch sports broadcast or do fast moving games plasma is the only way to go. Go to the AVS Forum in their section on the Panny 50" TH-50PZ80U and read the user reports from those who have had both LCD's and plamsa's for sports and games, their reported difference between the two types of displays is very noticable.
The online dealers ship 100's of thoudands of plasma's each year with no problems. The are specially prepared. I have friends who have ordered online form reputable dealers such as Vann's, Visual Apex and B&H with zero problems. Many more plasma's are damaged by folks bringing them home on their sides in the back of pickup trucks, SUV's and vans then by shipping companies.
That said, I brought home both Panny 50" plasma's on their sides in the truck of our 2001 Honda Accord, which was a tight but perfect fit, with a little bungy cord to keep the trunk lid down. We live only 3 miles away from Costco and it is an easy 35 mph drive, no problems.
Happy Turkey,
RR6 :D
yOU WOULD BE SURPRIZED at the pq of the SD upconversion on my set.
As a matter of fact a reviewer was bragging on it.
As for a DVD another reviewer was bragging on the upconversion
capabilities of my BLU player.
But SD still looks like crap, and I say to hell with it:1:
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JohnMichael said "You are making a wonderful first impression. I may be making the last impression".
That's not my original intent, John. I was just appalled at how childish some posers get when you don't conform to their low brain capacity. I have read their other posts before today not to me but to others who make more sense than they do. "Inbred induced comments"? Excuse me. I don't know Pix but...ridiculing people is the answer? This is how bad trends get started.
I have better things to do, really. I couldn't help but feel disgust with what Woochi and Runny write in this otherwise respectable forum. I promise never to return to this forum and leave Woocji and Runny to spank their monkeys together.
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OK, Sonictoothbrush, or whatever your name is, stop derailing this thread. It's 3am and time is of the essence here. It just so happens that I have a raging case of heartburn, so I got up early, but I figured, well then I might as well see what's selling out there, or at least laugh at the lemmings and packrats standing in the cold & rain in front of BB/CC, waiting for some pretty non-existent deals. Anyhow, if you're not going to discuss the topic, then stay the hell out, at least until tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by pixelthis
As for the other stuff ( pixlization, etc) that is totally made up, if you claim to see such artifacts then you are either telling a story or delusional, because even if they did exist (which they dont) you wouldnt notice with a 5ms response. The human eye cant even perceive the 24fps in movies.
Pix, no need to start insulting. I've seen this pixelation and motion blur on many occasions, both in store and at friend's houses. As a matter of fact, we were watching Rush's new Snakes & Arrows DVD after dinner at a friend's and I could see it clearly. No matter how much you may prefer LCD, the fact is the picture is like a strobe light sometimes, i.e. really irritating. If you can't see it, then I suggest you get your eyes checked. Plasma handles this much better.
Wooch, you were right on the Sharp at Costco, not 120Hz./24fps. However, Sharp's new models have sorted out the banding issues and they include their own version of motion-blur-control that seems to be fairly well reviewed. I've included them below, for comparison. BTW, regarding the shipping of Plasma's I was more referring to when it comes cross-country or is drop-shipped from a distant warehouse by less than reputable delivery people. Also, Costco offers free home delivery, which includes up to 2 flights of stairs, and then for an extra fee "white glove" delivery. Aside from them taking it out of the box, I don't know what the difference is, so I don't know if that's worth the extra $40.
Now I've done a crapload of price comparisons, everything from Crutchfield to Costco, and in my opinion these are the best deals out there (in SoCal, although I'm sure it applies elsewhere too):
Panasonic THC50FD18: Costco (9am), $1400
Panasonic 50PZ80U: Howard's (7am), $1600
Panasonic 50PZ85U: Circuit City (5am), $1700
If you're going to do 52" LCD, here's the best bets. Aside from the Sharps (see note above), these are all 120Hz/24fps native capable sets:
Philips 52PFL7403D/F7: Costco (9am), $1800
Sony KDL52WL140: Costco (9am), $2250
Sony KDL52W4100: Howard's (7am), $2000
Sharp LCC5255U: Costco (9am), $1400
Sharp LC52SB55U: Circuit City (5am), $1500
Sharp LC52D64U: MicroCenter (8am), $1500
Samsung LN52A650: Sears (5am), $2100
By the way, MicroCenter, on the corner of the 55 & 5 freeways is having some pretty good deals as well. If you've struck out with the 5am rush at BB & CC, you might want to wander over there, they open at a more reasonable 8am.
- They are blowing out their Olevia stock, including a 55" screen for $1300. I checked with Olevia (they are local) and they will honor all warranty repairs and will also continue manufacturing TVs, albeit with a different business model (more outsourcing, etc.)
- Philips 47PFL5603D: $1200
- Panasonic 46PZ85U: $1200
- Sony KDL46W4100: $2080
- Samsung LN46A650: $1800
The Sony's not really a good deal, considering the 52" is less, but it's getting hard to find in stock, so I thought I would include it anyhow. There's a ton of lesser Sony's at Sears, CC, and BB, but they didn't meet my specs. BTW, I also found out that in California we also have to pay an $8 recycling fee, on top of 7.75% taxes and delivery, so that does all add to the price. I guess ordering from our of state with free delivery will also save a little money. Anyhow, I'm pretty sure there are other deals out there, but that's all I was able to find in today's paper. I hope it helps someone looking for a large TV.
Well, I'm getting tired again and the baking soda has kicked in. I think I'll wander on over to Costco later and pick up that Panasonic plasma after all. Well, if the kids allow me to get out of the house....
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If you think your low frequencies are not what they ought to be then your room is lying to you. I wouldn't reach for an eq if it's a room problem. I would treat the room and correct those low frequencies. I wouldn't take midol for an ear ache. If room-induced, correct the room.
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Originally Posted by sonicbrush
JohnMichael said "You are making a wonderful first impression. I may be making the last impression".
That's not my original intent, John. I was just appalled at how childish some posers get when you don't conform to their low brain capacity. I have read their other posts before today not to me but to others who make more sense than they do. "Inbred induced comments"? Excuse me. I don't know Pix but...ridiculing people is the answer? This is how bad trends get started.
I have better things to do, really. I couldn't help but feel disgust with what Woochi and Runny write in this otherwise respectable forum. I promise never to return to this forum and leave Woocji and Runny to spank their monkeys together.
I was wondering if you came to start a flame war? I am giving myself three days to think about it.
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Sonic, get the hell out of my thread!
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Nightflier, remember with Costco you get an implied 90 day price protection. Several people at Costco confirmed that for me. Even though their official price policy is 30 days, when you remind them that you can simply return the item up to 90 days out and buy the new one at the lower price they say OK and refund you the difference.
The non-glare flat satin black finish on the Costco model is much better than the very reflective piano gloss black shiny bezel on the 80U and 85U versions. The Costco FD model has 3 HDMI inputs (one on the front panel like the 80U) and a PC input which the 80U does not have, but the 85U does. The Costco FD model is actually a 80U with the addition of the PC input (sort of a cross between the 80U and 85U).
(I think you might find it go down $50 on 12-5-08)
RR6 :D
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Originally Posted by sonicbrush
If you think your low frequencies are not what they ought to be then your room is lying to you. I wouldn't reach for an eq if it's a room problem. I would treat the room and correct those low frequencies. I wouldn't take midol for an ear ache. If room-induced, correct the room.
And you accuse others of passing around misinformation! Using the EQ, my measured in-room bass response is flat. And BTW, with the lower frequencies you can't "fix" the room without changing the dimensions (care to foot the bill for me to knock out a few walls?). All the bass traps in the world won't eliminate all the peaking that occurs in an average room.
Sounds like the broken printer/plagiarist-in-residence has made a return engagement ... the holier-than-thou attitude, references to a nonexistent "professional" capacity in video/audio editing, obsessive vitriol towards Terrence and myself, and of course fleeting grasp of facts/reality were clues. But, that Midol reference was a dead giveaway! :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by sonicbrush
If you think your low frequencies are not what they ought to be then your room is lying to you. I wouldn't reach for an eq if it's a room problem. I would treat the room and correct those low frequencies. I wouldn't take midol for an ear ache. If room-induced, correct the room.
Wow, I get tied up for a few hours and I miss some a classic example of epic douchebaggery followed by Wooch's... uhh...ass-kickery?
Now he's got a time-out and has to sit in the corner....
Gonna have to start calling JM "Quick Draw"...
Back to Black Friday...
Is it true some dude got killed a Wal-Mart trample this morning?
http://www.reportonbusiness.com/serv.../Business/home
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For anyone interested I saw at Costco today the Panasonic 46" 1080p Plasma for $950, wow, what a great price! I think the model number is TH-C46FD18.
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RR, that is a 720p Plasma, however. But of course, only really nitpicky overly-critical types like myself care about that, LOL.
I did the Black Friday 5am run after all, but not to BB/CC. I did stop by Fry's just to see what was what and that line was all the way around the store. Odd thing is, I didn't really see much in the ad to make that worth while. I then went to Target and picked up some discounted toys for the kids and a new clock radio for the bedroom. Then I went home and got some rest. Later in the day I picked up a wine cooler at Lowes and that was about it for Black Friday. Didn't even set foot in Costco, mostly because I probably would have picked up the Panny. It's not that I don't want it, but then I'd also have to get HDMI cables, a wall-hanging braket, and a BR player, and pretty soon, you're talking real money.
Wooch, Kex, & Others, how does Panasonic's 1080p THC50FD18 (Costco) /
50PZ80U (everywhere else) handle 24fps input from a player? I don't see these sets have any spec for 120Hz./24fps handling, so I'm wondering how they handle the signal.
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Sorry Nightflier, but the reason I said Wow is because it is such a great deal on this new size 46" 1080p Panny plasma at Costco.
It is in fact a 1080p, model TH-C46FD18. At Costco 768p models are HD and 1080p models are FD in the model number. See here (I wasn't able to link the Costco page):
Panasonic
46" 1080P Plasma HDTV
Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Contrast Ratio Up To: 20,000:1
Item # 362846
Be the first to write a review.
$949.99
Model TH-C46FD18
The Panny Costco and the 80U models use 2:3 pulldown on 24p. Here is the direct quote from the Panasonic website spec page on the TH-C50FD18:
"......24p Cinematic Playback No....."
"......24p Playback(2:3) Yes......"
http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-e...702#tabsection
RR6
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Looks like Black Friday came and went, and does not bode well. Aside from the literal carnage of the day (that NY WalMart turning into a Who concert, and two gangbangers taking each other out in a Cali Toys R Us store), the preliminary reports show some ominous trends for retailers. The general tenor seems to be that the crowds were slightly smaller, but among the shoppers who showed up, they purchased a lot less than a year ago.
Just talked to a friend who works at a Best Buy store, and he said that even at midday, his store still had the doorbuster TVs in stock. In years past, those would have been gone within the first hour. Not looking good.
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Wooch, those Sharp 52" LCDs at Costco didn't sell out either. Of the four they had on the palette, two were left. Not good for the economy, I think.
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[QUOTE=RoadRunner6]Sorry Nightflier, but the reason I said Wow is because it is such a great deal on this new size 46" 1080p Panny plasma at Costco.
It is in fact a 1080p, model TH-C46FD18. At Costco 768p models are HD and 1080p models are FD in the model number. See here (I wasn't able to link the Costco page):
Panasonic
46" 1080P Plasma HDTV
Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Contrast Ratio Up To: 20,000:1
Item # 362846
Be the first to write a review.
$949.99
Model TH-C46FD18
The Panny Costco and the 80U models use 2:3 pulldown on 24p. Here is the direct quote from the Panasonic website spec page on the TH-C50FD18:
"......24p Cinematic Playback No....."
"......24p Playback(2:3) Yes......"
http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-e...702#tabsection
Hey RR6 do you know what that number is equal to on the non Costco Panny's? Sounds like it might be the TH-46PZ80U. I'm ready to pull the trigger and just gathering all the data that I can, so I can make a good deal.
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pannys sales dropped 97% in the last quarter, they had better be marking stuff down.
I read in USA today about it being a blu christmas (maybe).
Of interest were two different families buying the el-cheapo Sanyo
"fake" 1080p 46" sets for 800 bucks.
These sets are slightly below average but if you dont care about anything but size they are a steal, however they are just 1368(or something like that) by 1080p, so they shouldnt be allowed to put "FULL
HD" on the box.
Full of something else. maybe:1:
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Jack in Wilmington ... the Costco TH-C46FD18 is in fact closer to the TH-46PZ85U. The PZ85U adds (to the PZ80U) a PC input w/audio jack. It also adds a 3rd HDMI input on the side. The Costco TH-C46FD18 has the PC input and audio jack. It also has the 3rd HDMI input but is located on the front rather than the side. So the only difference is that the Costco model has the extra HDMI input on the front. Of course as you probably already know the Costco models have done away with the shiny piano black bezel and replaced it with a very nice looking satin black non-gloss bezel. That was one of the main reasons I really like the Costco models. Mirror-like Piano black is great on pianos and my speakers but not on the front of a TV (it might look good when the set is off but not when it is on with all the refelctions).
The TH-C46FD18 is not listed on the Panasonic site yet. If you compare the specifications at the Panasonic USA site, the 42" and 50" Costco models you'll see are almost identical to the 42" and 50" PZ85U models with exactly the same differences as mentioned above on the 46" models. (I think I mentioned before that the FD was close to the PZ80U but the PZ85U is actually closer). If you go to the Costco website and look up the TH-C46FD18, you'll see mentioned the 3HDMI's and the PC inputs.
Otherwise these are the same exact 1080p resolution plasmas with the same panel and inards.
RR6
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Originally Posted by RoadRunner6
Jack in Wilmington ... the Costco TH-C46FD18 is in fact closer to the TH-46PZ85U. The PZ85U adds (to the PZ80U) a PC input w/audio jack. It also adds a 3rd HDMI input on the side. The Costco TH-C46FD18 has the PC input and audio jack. It also has the 3rd HDMI input but is located on the front rather than the side. So the only difference is that the Costco model has the extra HDMI input on the front. Of course as you probably already know the Costco models have done away with the shiny piano black bezel and replaced it with a very nice looking satin black non-gloss bezel. That was one of the main reasons I really like the Costco models. Mirror-like Piano black is great on pianos and my speakers but not on the front of a TV (it might look good when the set is off but not when it is on with all the refelctions).
The TH-C46FD18 is not listed on the Panasonic site yet. If you compare the specifications at the Panasonic USA site, the 42" and 50" Costco models you'll see are almost identical to the 42" and 50" PZ85U models with exactly the same differences as mentioned above on the 46" models. (I think I mentioned before that the FD was close to the PZ80U but the PZ85U is actually closer). If you go to the Costco website and look up the TH-C46FD18, you'll see mentioned the 3HDMI's and the PC inputs.
Otherwise these are the same exact 1080p resolution plasmas with the same panel and inards.
RR6
Thanks RR6. I guess these are made exclusively for Costco. Can't beat that $949.99 price that's for sure.
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Wow! That sonicbrush guy sure is a self- righteous prick.
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Originally Posted by mbbuchanan
Wow! That sonicbrush guy sure is a self- righteous prick.
Nothing special about him ... just PeruvianSkies/superpanavision70mm/Lexmark3200/ToLiveAndDieInNY posting under yet another identity. He's already been repeatedly exposed as a troll, plagiarist, and serial liar. Normally, he'll at least wait a few days before the whining and lameness (audiophile-pedophile, Midol, moron-idiot ... yuk yuk :rolleyes: ) begin flying. No such luck this time around! :out:
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Originally Posted by nightflier
Wooch, those Sharp 52" LCDs at Costco didn't sell out either. Of the four they had on the palette, two were left. Not good for the economy, I think.
The Costco models though are not deeply discounted doorbuster deals. The prices on Friday were the same as they were on Wednesday and today.
It's a more troubling trend when Best Buy prices a group of TVs at or near cost, and they still can't sell out of them. Of course, given how far the price points have already fallen this year, I guess an $800 1080p plasma isn't all that big a deal anymore.
Even with all the anecdotal reports, the actual Black Friday sales were actually an improvement over last year.
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BTW, what did happen to PeruvianSkies?
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