what is best 5.1 hdmi 1.3 4 ohm AVR or preamp/power amp under $3000

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I'm not arguing either, I just asked two simple questions:

1) What Outlaw gear have you owned? Surely you wouldn't spew non-truths without first hand experience.

2) What Adcom, Rotel, or Integra processor does more than the 997 and costs less?

I didn't think those were too out of line, I'd honestly love to know the answer to both. I'm pre-pro shopping.

And lookie here...I don't want to hear sh!t about a company selling 'leftovers' from somebody who owns a Vizio TV bought from WalMart. Pot+kettle=black.

I havent "owned" any of their stuff, havent bought much of anything lately.
BUT like the new commercial for toyota says, to paraphrase,
why buy outlaw when you can buy the real stuff that outlaw rebadges
their stuff from?
Their whose reason for being is quality gear at "economic" prices.
If they are just expensive as everything else then why bother with them?

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I havent "owned" any of their stuff, havent bought much of anything lately.
BUT like the new commercial for toyota says, to paraphrase,
why buy outlaw when you can buy the real stuff that outlaw rebadges
their stuff from?
Their whose reason for being is quality gear at "economic" prices.
If they are just expensive as everything else then why bother with them?

Again....

Vizio. They use the panels that Panasonic and Samsung reject, so you didn't hesitate to buy a rebadged product. Might want to think about that before trying to berate Outlaw....whom you obviously know nothing about.

We're all still waiting for that list of Pre-pro's that you have gathered that offer more features for less money. Let's see it.

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It will be an absolute joy to watch this thread unravel...

[pixelthis]

Again....

Vizio. They use the panels that Panasonic and Samsung reject, so you didn't hesitate to buy a rebadged product. Might want to think about that before trying to berate Outlaw....whom you obviously know nothing about.

We're all still waiting for that list of Pre-pro's that you have gathered that offer more features for less money. Let's see it.

Its not "rebadged" , its its own design.
And the slight reason for the panels rejection is that they are not "perfect", nobody
but a falcon or eagle could notice anything.
I have stated repeatedly that Vizio is not perfect but a good value for the money,
which apparently outlaw is not.
As for prepros that offer more features for less money I thought that was supposed to be Outlaws job.

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As for prepros that offer more features for less money I thought that was supposed to be Outlaws job.

Exactly. But you said NO. You said Adcom, Rotel, and Integra could be had for the same price or less. Where's your proof?

Let me guess..you have no idea what any of them cost (hell you had no idea what Outlaw cost) because they don't sell them at WalMart.

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I pretty much have decided to go with the Integra DHC-9.9, But I have not completely ruled out the Outlaw 997. Both can be gotten for about $1400.

As for the Amps, there is a LOT of possiblities. The Odyssey ht-3 + Khartago will cost me about $2100 but the reviews are nothing short of phenomenal! 150W@ 8ohm just under 300 Watts for 4 ohm The Khartagos will give about 200W @ 4 ohms for the rears.Thats a little mmore than I want to spend but it may be worth it in the long term.

The Parasound 5250 or halo A-52 are another possibilty.

I have not ruled out Adcom, Outlaw either.

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Exactly. But you said NO. You said Adcom, Rotel, and Integra could be had for the same price or less. Where's your proof?

Let me guess..you have no idea what any of them cost (hell you had no idea what Outlaw cost) because they don't sell them at WalMart.

I dont keep up with the prices for various items unless I am shopping them, because, unlike you, I HAVE A LIFE.
And I will take Adcom, Rotel, OR INTEGRA over Outlaw any day of the week,
regardless of price.