Welp.... Stevo's at it again!!!!! This time Surround Sound is dead!!!!

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Never cared for surround music. I have never been to a concert where people played behind me except for a few rare occasions where they played wireless and entered from the rear or ran around the venue.

Not only have you never cared about it, but it is patently obvious you have no experience with it either. There are so few recordings that have discrete instruments in the surrounds that it is not worth mentioning. I have nearly 800 multichannel recordings, and maybe 15 of them have discrete instruments placed in the surrounds.

Have you ever been to a concert where all of the information hitting your ears is coming from the front only? I highly doubt it. How about the crowd noises happening from behind a orchestra? Not in any concert hall or venue I have been in.

As for movies, the more people I talk to are not interested in multi channel setup due to placement, amount of room needed, WAF, and other factors including getting it setup properly and maintained. I would say mostly us gearheads are the ones still doing it. I even opted for a ZVOX unit for the bedroom instead of another 2ch or 5.1ch setup.

You must be talking to folks in a reverberation chamber, because multichannel system are outselling 2 channel system by at least 20-1 based on NDP recent survey.

Anecdotal stories are only valuable within your own world. Your opinions have always been based on myths, outdated, recycled anecdotal information, and talk from a single minded crowd.

[Hyfi]

Not only have you never cared about it, but it is patently obvious you have no experience with it either. There are so few recordings that have discrete instruments in the surrounds that it is not worth mentioning. I have nearly 800 multichannel recordings, and maybe 15 of them have discrete instruments placed in the surrounds.

Have you ever been to a concert where all of the information hitting your ears is coming from the front only? I highly doubt it. How about the crowd noises happening from behind a orchestra? Not in any concert hall or venue I have been in.



You must be talking to folks in a reverberation chamber, because multichannel system are outselling 2 channel system by at least 20-1 based on NDP recent survey.

Anecdotal stories are only valuable within your own world. Your opinions have always been based on myths, outdated, recycled anecdotal information, and talk from a single minded crowd.

If you re-read the original post, the OP asked "What do we think". That means he asked for our opinions. I know that is hard for some to grasp since all they want to do is argue and attempt to point out their superiority and attempt to make other look small. It's OK, we are all used to it here.

As for your second remark, spiteful as usual, the people I talk to are in the same pay scale as myself and below. We do not have the cash and multiple houses and spare gear as you do and I guess the people you associate with. We all know the Haves don't spend much time with the Have Not's except to belittle them.

Glad you showed up. At least there were 4 posts yesterday.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

If you re-read the original post, the OP asked "What do we think". That means he asked for our opinions. I know that is hard for some to grasp since all they want to do is argue and attempt to point out their superiority and attempt to make other look small. It's OK, we are all used to it here.

I think we are used to your uniformed, airheaded, unfactual opinions as well.

As for your second remark, spiteful as usual, the people I talk to are in the same pay scale as myself and below. We do not have the cash and multiple houses and spare gear as you do and I guess the people you associate with. We all know the Haves don't spend much time with the Have Not's except to belittle them.

Once again, you base everything on somebody's else's finances of which you know nothing about. You can save this green crap you just spewed up, it is not relevant to anything in this discussion.

The only have and have not here is audio and video education, and that is a definitely have not area with you. Anything goes with you, and that is why you get anything but great results in the end.

Glad you showed up. At least there were 4 posts yesterday.

Glad I could contribute.

[Hyfi]

Glad I could contribute.

Please point me to your reply to the original post of your thoughts on the article that was linked. That would be helpful.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Please point me to your reply to the original post of your thoughts on the article that was linked. That would be helpful.

Go back and look at my first comments brightness. What would be helpful to me is that you actually read it.

[Hyfi]

Go back and look at my first comments brightness. What would be helpful to me is that you actually read it.

OK, so here are your first comments. They are not really about the article or the original post. They are comments about what I posted and nothing much else. Maybe you need to re-read your own comments. Also, go back and note that not ONCE did you respond to the OP or the article, but rather played your normal game of picking apart everyone else replies sentence by sentence.

Not only have you never cared about it, but it is patently obvious you have no experience with it either. There are so few recordings that have discrete instruments in the surrounds that it is not worth mentioning. I have nearly 800 multichannel recordings, and maybe 15 of them have discrete instruments placed in the surrounds.

Have you ever been to a concert where all of the information hitting your ears is coming from the front only? I highly doubt it. How about the crowd noises happening from behind a orchestra? Not in any concert hall or venue I have been in.



You must be talking to folks in a reverberation chamber, because multichannel system are outselling 2 channel system by at least 20-1 based on NDP recent survey.

Anecdotal stories are only valuable within your own world. Your opinions have always been based on myths, outdated, recycled anecdotal information, and talk from a single minded crowd.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

OK, so here are your first comments. They are not really about the article or the original post. They are comments about what I posted and nothing much else. Maybe you need to re-read your own comments. Also, go back and note that not ONCE did you respond to the OP or the article, but rather played your normal game of picking apart everyone else replies sentence by sentence.

Cherry pick much?. I think you do this because I addressed your comments first - which by the way were stupid. But let's check out my comments with Smoke which address the article directly - can we George Washington(maybe he could not tell a lie, but you did).

He is not correct on so many fronts. Steve has openly admitted that he has never owned a quality surround system. So his perspective is rather limited in the first place. He also openly admitted that he lays down when he listens to music. That is not great for either 2 channel or multichannel. Steve is a casual music listener, and there are some of us who are active listeners who listen to music like we listen in a concert venue or hall.

Welp.... Stevo's at it again!!!!! This time Surround Sound is dead!!!!

Comment #12. Read it if you have the capacity to do so.

[Hyfi]

I think we are used to your uniformed, airheaded, unfactual opinions as well.

Once again, you base everything on somebody's else's finances of which you know nothing about. You can save this green crap you just spewed up, it is not relevant to anything in this discussion.

First of all, I do know about the finances of the people I referred to. How did you determine that I don't? ASSumption?

Secondly, can you explain to me the difference between an Unfactual Opinion, and a Factual Opinion when the definition of Opinion is "a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge"?

Why do you think it's called an "Opinion", genius?

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

First of all, I do know about the finances of the people I referred to. How did you determine that I don't? ASSumption?

I know because you made this stupid statement stupid.

As for your second remark, spiteful as usual, the people I talk to are in the same pay scale as myself and below. We do not have the cash and multiple houses and spare gear as you do and I guess the people you associate with. We all know the Haves don't spend much time with the Have Not's except to belittle them.

You made this statement, and you don't know if I am a have, have less, little, or nothing. So you were referring to me, but proclaim you do know my financial position. BS! Your nose is growing. The haves have very little time to belittle anyone, especially the have nots. I have no time to belittle you - you do a great job all by yourself.

Secondly, one of the biggest, foolish mistake you consistently make is it is all about throwing money at the equipment. That is not my approach at all, and if you could actually read my post(which I don't think you are capable of understanding) then you would understand this. If a component(no matter of cost), could not reach my standards of compliance to industry approved spec's(THX, PM3, Academy, and multichannel AES standards), then no matter what it costs(tube amps come to mind), I am not going to purchase it. It is not about component cost, it is about performance capabilities for me.

Secondly, can you explain to me the difference between an Unfactual Opinion, and a Factual Opinion when the definition of Opinion is "a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge"?

Easy(put on your extra brain power, you are going to need it based on what little you already posses.)

An unfactual opinion is subjective, not objective. A subjective opinion can be made in a closet, with a highly degraded pair of ears(like yours and Stevens). A factual opinion is based on established criteria and objective science. Listeners have their hearing tested. The room has been corrected for neutrality instead of personal colorations. And the tests stand up to scientific scrutiny. Your personal tastes do not stand up well against a 3000 person sample. Do you have the capacity to understand the difference between the two?

Doubt it based on experience.....

Why do you think it's called an "Opinion", genius?

There are two types of "opinion" airhead. An informed and educated one, and one that a monkey can come up with. You seem to fall in the monkey slot time and time again.

[Hyfi]

I know because you made this stupid statement stupid.

As for your second remark, spiteful as usual, the people I talk to are in the same pay scale as myself and below. We do not have the cash and multiple houses and spare gear as you do and I guess the people you associate with. We all know the Haves don't spend much time with the Have Not's except to belittle them.

You made this statement, and you don't know if I am a have, have less, little, or nothing. So you were referring to me, but proclaim you do know my financial position. BS! Your nose is growing. The haves have very little time to belittle anyone, especially the have nots. I have no time to belittle you - you do a great job all by yourself.

Secondly, one of the biggest, foolish mistake you consistently make is it is all about throwing money at the equipment. That is not my approach at all, and if you could actually read my post(which I don't think you are capable of understanding) then you would understand this. If a component(no matter of cost), could not reach my standards of compliance to industry approved spec's(THX, PM3, Academy, and multichannel AES standards), then no matter what it costs(tube amps come to mind), I am not going to purchase it. It is not about component cost, it is about performance capabilities for me.





Easy(put on your extra brain power, you are going to need it based on what little you already posses.)

An unfactual opinion is subjective, not objective. A subjective opinion can be made in a closet, with a highly degraded pair of ears(like yours and Stevens). A factual opinion is based on established criteria and objective science. Listeners have their hearing tested. The room has been corrected for neutrality instead of personal colorations. And the tests stand up to scientific scrutiny. Your personal tastes do not stand up well against a 3000 person sample. Do you have the capacity to understand the difference between the two?

Doubt it based on experience.....



There are two types of "opinion" airhead. An informed and educated one, and one that a monkey can come up with. You seem to fall in the monkey slot time and time again.

Unless you have repeatedly lied to us here, you have talked about having multiple houses, multiple systems, gear in storage that you put systems together with for your children, bragged about all the gear you have and without actually saying it, refer to your close or over 6 figure salary if you actually had the jobs you claim to have had.

So now all of that is untrue? You really never made any money or have multiple houses? All the gear in your sig is just for bragging?

And of course the name calling continues because as usual, you have no other tactics.

By the way, when are you actually going to respond to the OP and the article? I still have not seen a single response to the OP here, just you picking apart all the other responses.

I am also not sure why you are directing comments about throwing money at gear my way. Other than 2 OPPO 93s and a cheap pair of Polk speakers for my gym room, I have not purchased any new gear for over 15 years. So please point out again all the money I have thrown at gear Terry.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Unless you have repeatedly lied to us here, you have talked about having multiple houses, multiple systems, gear in storage that you put systems together with for your children, bragged about all the gear you have and without actually saying it, refer to your close or over 6 figure salary if you actually had the jobs you claim to have had.

I have never talked about how I got those houses. I could have inherited them all, and only purchased one. I could have went in a partnership with my friends to purchase some or all of them. I have never discussed that, so what you do(as usual) is fill in the blanks with your own ignorant airheaded assumptions.

So now all of that is untrue? You really never made any money or have multiple houses? All the gear in your sig is just for bragging?

Looks like more ASSumptions to me.

And of course the name calling continues because as usual, you have no other tactics.

I call it as I see it. I have always thought you were pretty damn stupid, and you continue to confirm this over and over again.

By the way, when are you actually going to respond to the OP and the article? I still have not seen a single response to the OP here, just you picking apart all the other responses.

By the way, I already did through my response to Smoke. Can't you read? I don't have to respond to the OP to address the article. You respond how you want to, and I will do the same. Refrain from telling me how or who to respond to.

I am also not sure why you are directing comments about throwing money at gear my way. Other than 2 OPPO 93s and a cheap pair of Polk speakers for my gym room, I have not purchased any new gear for over 15 years. So please point out again all the money I have thrown at gear Terry.

First AZZhole, my name is not Terry. Second, I was talking about your comment to me.

You seem to have a problem distinguishing your butt from a hole in the ground. Does this happen to you much?

[Hyfi]

You made this statement, and you don't know if I am a have, have less, little, or nothing.

Interesting since nobody else here has an $85K Projector. Guess you got it used for a couple hundred right?

That's right, I was talking about you.

Try feeding us some more crap Terry.

[Auricauricle]

Stereo, mono, quadro....Heck, just enjoy the music, man!

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Interesting since nobody else here has an $85K Projector. Guess you got it used for a couple hundred right?

That's right, I was talking about you.

Try feeding us some more crap Terry.

You want to try again idiot? Lowfy, I don't have anything to prove to you, so you need to STFU and go get your life.

You can't taunt me, you can't insult me, but what you are doing is contining to show just how jealous you are because somebody worked their azz off and did well for themselves, and you ended up being a loser who couldn't afford to buy a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

You are nothing more the a jealous hater, and you don't and won't get any respect from me.

Bugger off loser. Go lick a frozen stop sign.

By the way stupid, my projector did not cost anywhere near $85K.