Vizio Tells Owners Their Sets Are Un-repairable

[Smokey]

Now you're totally copping out. Keep in mind that you brought up subject of Chinese plants in the first place is because of Panasonic outsourcing their low end LCD TV manufacturing. So, if you're now claiming that "there should a distinction between Chinese own and non own manufactures" why the hell did you even bring up the subject in the first place?

Because as of now we don't know which company Panasonic is outsourcing from. If the company is indeed Chinese owned, both comments are probably true.

And here might be why. Take a look at reviews of LCDs made in China's own TCL (RCA) vs LCDs made from Foxconn (Sony) who also have plants in China. They are both made in China, but RCA always rank at bottom in term of quality and reliability. Now imagine Panasonic outsourcing from TCL, or even worse from Chinese electronic company Contel which ranked at the bottom of rating.

And you still haven't answered my question about why country of origin would have anything to do with the repairability and/or parts availability.

I'm assuming

You probably have better luck repairing and finding parts if TV is Panasonic or Sony vs if TV is TCL or Hisense.

A 70-year reliability average means absolutely nothing, because it includes a whole slew of products (and companies) that are no longer around.

Some are not around as real compnay, but they do exist as a name badge for the company that bought them out. Buyers can lower their risk by purchasing one of the top ten most reliable brands/manufacturers in the world, assuming the products they buy were not outsourced or rebadged to another manufacturer.

[Woochifer]

Because as of now we don't know which company Panasonic is outsourcing from. If the company is indeed Chinese owned, both comments are probably true.

And here might be why. Take a look at reviews of LCDs made in China's own TCL (RCA) vs LCDs made from Foxconn (Sony) who also have plants in China. They are both made in China, but RCA always rank at bottom in term of quality and reliability. Now imagine Panasonic outsourcing from TCL, or even worse from Chinese electronic company Contel which ranked at the bottom of rating.

But, you were first making a generalization about Chinese made products (not just TVs). Then when you got flagged on that point, you then backtracked to say that it's the country of ownership and not the country of origin that matters. And now, you're saying that you don't really know. Of course, keep in mind that this whole subject originated because of Vizio, and those TVs aren't even built in China. So, I ask again, why the hell did you bring up the subject in the first place?

I'm assuming

You probably have better luck repairing and finding parts if TV is Panasonic or Sony vs if TV is TCL or Hisense.

And you're assuming yet again, because you don't really know what the actual relationship is between the company and the outsourcer (i.e., who actually designs the TV and specifies the parts). Nor do you know anything about the supply chain, specifically as it pertains to spare parts availability.

Some are not around as real compnay, but they do exist as a name badge for the company that bought them out. Buyers can lower their risk by purchasing one of the top ten most reliable brands/manufacturers in the world, assuming the products they buy were not outsourced or rebadged to another manufacturer.

Yes, but again you're making presumptions here that the outsourced TVs are designed by the outsource manufacturer and not Sony or Panasonic. I know that Foxconn's relationships with Sony and Apple involve taking a finished design and basically assembling the products, with most of the major components sent to them from outside suppliers.

[Smokey]

Yes, but again you're making presumptions here that the outsourced TVs are designed by the outsource manufacturer and not Sony or Panasonic.

And you are assuming the opposite

Toshiba also outsource their products and there is no way their outsourced products are as good as one made by Toshiba. Just check out CL and there is a much higher % of toshiba LCDs sold for parts/as-is vs other brands.

Going back little further, Toshiba used to make some of best CRT TV in industry especially with their lower end brand labled "SuperTube" TV as I owned one. But once they started to outsource their CRT in 2006, quality dropped big time. I bought one of outsourced 32 inch Toshiba TV back in 2006 and it was nothing like the 32 inch TV made by Toshiba which I used to own. Took it back the next day.

[markw]

IIRC, CRT TV sets were pretty much on the endangered species list by 2006 and the fact that anyone was even making them at all is a bit of a miracle.

[Smokey]

IIRC, CRT TV sets were pretty much on the endangered species list by 2006 and the fact that anyone was even making them at all is a bit of a miracle.

2006 was probably the last year CRT TVs were made by major manufactures.

When I took back Toshiba to Sears in that year which was around May, the only new CRT TV models I saw were from Sony, Samsung and Sharp. Panasonic already had quit making CRTs previous year.