Using non-HDMI receiver with HDMI Projector and Blu-Ray

[GMichael]

You wont.
BTW an upconverted DVD can look good, but you don't get any extra resolution from
upconverting one.
I wouldnt worry about the Denon or HD player, it would be a lot simpler and elegant just to use the BLU for everything.
I have never heard of the inability to run upconverted DVD over component, but then again I HAVE NEVER USED component for BLU.
Run the HDMI to the projector, its your best connection, with a visible improvement
over component.
Don't be scared by a certain troll and his imaginary "sync" issues.
I used an Integra 7.4(five years old) and several BLU players over a year, sending
the HDMI TO my monitor, and the audio to the receiver from the player, by either coax
(preferred) or optical, and never had any problems.
Plan on it not happening, and in the unlikely even it does, deal with it then.
WAIT UNTIL ITS A PROBLEM, before you compromise your system over it.

It's not that there is an inability to run upconverted DVD over component, it's just that the BR player will not output upconverted DVD's through the component connections. Some kind of licensing thing. The HD-DVD (or PS3) will not either. Only over HDMI.

I run an HDMI cable from my DVR to the projector and a tosh cable from the DVR to the receiver. I have no sync isues, but if Sir T says it could happen, I'd bet moneythat it could happen. And I don't bet on much.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

It's not that there is an inability to run upconverted DVD over component, it's just that the BR player will not output upconverted DVD's through the component connections. Some kind of licensing thing. The HD-DVD (or PS3) will not either. Only over HDMI.

I run an HDMI cable from my DVR to the projector and a tosh cable from the DVR to the receiver. I have no sync isues, but if Sir T says it could happen, I'd bet moneythat it could happen. And I don't bet on much.

Yes it can happen, and a few months ago Bluray.com had a huge thread on it. It doesn't occur with all equipment, but it occurs with enough equipment to be a problem. The reality is, it never happens with an HDMI connection, and if it does, it is usually a software problem, not a problem with HDMI itself.

On the Bluray.com thread, the common thread for syncing issues was the use of two different connections for audio and video. Nobody using HDMI only had this issue. Now folks can listen to Pix(who has the track record of BP oil), but you could find yourself with your fanny in a crack in doing so. It is always better to use the HDMI connection, if only for the word clock that aligns both audio and video in sync frame by frame.

[EdwardGein]

I asked a similar question about 2 years ago before I got my Blu-Ray player as I had an older Denon A/V 3801 receiver whose sound I loved but no HDMI input. What I did based on comments here was get a Panadonic Blu-Ray Player with analog outputs which I connected to my Denon Receiver and the audio is fantastic. I connected the video by HDMI directly to my HDTV and its also great.

If you're Blu-Ray players doesn't have analog outs if you're receiver doesn't have an HDMI input for audio, then you're wasting your money because Tru Audio sound is fantastic and a night and day difference over regular surround sound.

[Tarheel_]

If you're Blu-Ray players doesn't have analog outs if you're receiver doesn't have an HDMI input for audio, then you're wasting your money because Tru Audio sound is fantastic and a night and day difference over regular surround sound.

thanks guys...i'm using a analog friendly AVR so i'm gonna run the 7.1 analog connection from the Samsung C6500 to my HK AVR and video-wise the HDMI directly to the projector...if there are sync issues, i'm going to deal with that later as pixelthis suggested.

Really looking forward to cranking the HT on the audio side and hope my AVR cannot keep up and force me to go with a separate amp....while keeping the wife happy with streaming movies from netflix! Best of both worlds!!!!

[pixelthis]

thanks guys...i'm using a analog friendly AVR so i'm gonna run the 7.1 analog connection from the Samsung C6500 to my HK AVR and video-wise the HDMI directly to the projector...if there are sync issues, i'm going to deal with that later as pixelthis suggested.

Really looking forward to cranking the HT on the audio side and hope my AVR cannot keep up and force me to go with a separate amp....while keeping the wife happy with streaming movies from netflix! Best of both worlds!!!!

HATE TO BE THE BEARER of bad news, but it will work fine.
I had a similar setup until I BROKE DOWN AND GOT A RECEIVER WITH HDMI
switching.
Why? I wanted to see the TRU HD or DTS MA on my receiver, and paid for it too.
Anyway, congrats, the first time I heard the amazing sound from a BLU disc I WAS
astounded, to say the least.
I would budget money for a new receiver in the future, however, HDMI is a great way to hook your system up , everything integrates great.
TOOK EM A FEW TRYS(component, DVI) , but they finally got it right.

[Mr Peabody]

HATE TO BE THE BEARER of bad news, but it will work fine.
I had a similar setup until I BROKE DOWN AND GOT A RECEIVER WITH HDMI
switching.
Why? I wanted to see the TRU HD or DTS MA on my receiver, and paid for it too.
Anyway, congrats, the first time I heard the amazing sound from a BLU disc I WAS
astounded, to say the least.
I would budget money for a new receiver in the future, however, HDMI is a great way to hook your system up , everything integrates great.
TOOK EM A FEW TRYS(component, DVI) , but they finally got it right.

Although Sir T will be happy to see your praise of HDMI, the handling of it's conception and marketing was pure amateur hour and crossed the line into fraud. I personally have not heard of any major issues recently with compatibility HDMI still has bugs with certain brands, I think it's more of a hand shake issue. Every one associated with the HDMI LLC needs to be behind bars.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Although Sir T will be happy to see your praise of HDMI, the handling of it's conception and marketing was pure amateur hour and crossed the line into fraud. I personally have not heard of any major issues recently with compatibility HDMI still has bugs with certain brands, I think it's more of a hand shake issue. Every one associated with the HDMI LLC needs to be behind bars.

I wouldn't be too hard on HDMI for its rollout. Some of it was their fault, and a very big portion was not. When HDMI was rolled out, it was predetermined that 8 channels of 24/192khz PCM audio would be the primary carrier of video soundtracks, and that would accomodate backwards compatibility with Dts and Dolby Lossy, and 2 channel PCM as well. It for sure could carry the data rate of 1080p video and its metadata. So HDMI 1.0 was originally the standard, as it covered all of these requirements. Then Panasonic wanted DVD-Audio support, so the HDMI committee caved in(Panasonic is a major on the board) and HDMI 1.1 came on board. Because Panasonic got its way with DVD-A, Sony wanted SACD(and DSD) supported, and then came HDMI 1.2 just behind 1.1. The the CE manufacturers wanted a way to bitstream Dts-HD-MA and Dolby TruHD from player to receiver(just like DVD, but completely unnecessary), so 1.3 standard was adopted. The benefit of this upgrade really went to Sony's SACD with the ability to transmit SACD via a more efficient DST, as opposed to the raw DSD format.

All of these updates occurred within 5 years - 5 years the manufacturers of receivers and Blu ray players, and HDMI chip makers could not keep up with the transitions. HDMI chip makers never delivered on time because stamping yields were not antiquate, and the beat goes on. For five years the foolishness went like chip makers tell the HDMI committee they can deliver on time, HDMI makes announcement on a new standard, the chip makers could not deliver the chips to the manufacturers, and so there could be no market coordination whatsoever. So the fault while on the surface belongs to HDMI LLC, it was the chip makers late delivery of HDMI transmitters that was the root of the problem. Now we are headed to another standard just four years after the last was finally adopted. The market coordination appears to be much better this time around though.

You can blame HDMI LLC committee member for pushing their own technologies and agendas into the mix as well. If Panasonic had not asked for DVD-A support we would still be back at 1.0. If Sony didn't insist on SACD support(to compete with Panasonics DVD-A support) then we would be at standard 1.0. If the manufacturers didn't want want bit streaming as a way of product differentiation(when it had no sonic benefit), then we would still be back at 1.0. Now they want 3D and 4K resolution, two way communication, higher data rates, and here we go again.

[pixelthis]

Although Sir T will be happy to see your praise of HDMI, the handling of it's conception and marketing was pure amateur hour and crossed the line into fraud. I personally have not heard of any major issues recently with compatibility HDMI still has bugs with certain brands, I think it's more of a hand shake issue. Every one associated with the HDMI LLC needs to be behind bars.

I know about your troubles Mr P, BUT beleive me it could have been a lot worse.
This was a complicated proceedure, made worse by studios that at first didn't want
anything but analog connections(hence the multichannel inputs that certainly didnt
help the high rez audio formats), and then decided they didnt want anything but
digital.
Then a DVI connector, then the HDMI connector we use today.
I have never had a serious problem with HDMI, my TV is currently changing the rez
on my cable box at start-up, but that was easily solved.
I THINK THE MAIN reason for my lack of trouble was that I waited and let things get sorted.
Tired of being a pioneer, you know, those guys with arrows in their backs?
Bought a 1200$ receiver, and its' video switching was obsolete in a year,
as video went to DVI from component.
And then OUTLAW got caught with an exelent pre-pro with DVI switching!
Now if they don't change it next week...