Twister DTS: A Bit Overrated? A Review.

[BrianUDLaw]

How do you go about doing this, by changing the sub decibels in the calibration menu? If so, what do you keep the value on, if I may ask? Mine is on "+6" for subwoofer.....

I just use the method described in my earlier post. If your receiver has an on screen menu, this is not what I use, as mine does not have that featuer. I have my sub set at 0, but I've had it at +2 to -1.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Okay, I am getting confused here. Lex, I want you to understand me clearly. Do NOT reset your subs level from the sub itself. That calibration should remain 4-5db higher than the main speakers regardless of format.

Your receiver should have have a LFE adjustment button for each format. READ YOUR INSTRUCTION MANUAL TO FIND THIS BUTTON. If it is not covered in the manual, then your receiver must already compensate for each formats varing LFE level. If you have an Onkyo, then I am sure it is covered in the instruction manual. Once again, READ YOUR INSTRUCTION MANUAL, everyone receiver is slighty different in some way, so asking others probably won't get you the answer that you desire. It is also good to learn about your equipment for yourself(I think I have already conveyed this to you).

If the bass on twister is loud enough, but not "The Haunted" deep, MAKE NO ADJUSTMENT AT ALL. Twister has some pretty loud bass, however it is NOT deep as the haunted. The lowest reading I got from my spectrum analyzers was 25hz in the LFE, and that was a brief bump, and not very extended in time.

1. Do not mess with you individual speaker levels once they are calibrated.
2. Do not mess with the SUBS level control after you have properly calibrated.
3. DO consult your users manual for you equipment YOURSELF, and do not ask anyone else for info.
4. Look for LFE level control IN THE RECEIVERS MENU!
5. If it allows for seperate LFE levels for each format, set DD to +0, Dts to +10.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND ALL OF THIS?

[Lexmark3200]

Okay, I am getting confused here. Lex, I want you to understand me clearly. Do NOT reset your subs level from the sub itself. That calibration should remain 4-5db higher than the main speakers regardless of format.

Your receiver should have have a LFE adjustment button for each format. READ YOUR INSTRUCTION MANUAL TO FIND THIS BUTTON. If it is not covered in the manual, then your receiver must already compensate for each formats varing LFE level. If you have an Onkyo, then I am sure it is covered in the instruction manual. Once again, READ YOUR INSTRUCTION MANUAL, everyone receiver is slighty different in some way, so asking others probably won't get you the answer that you desire. It is also good to learn about your equipment for yourself(I think I have already conveyed this to you).

If the bass on twister is loud enough, but not "The Haunted" deep, MAKE NO ADJUSTMENT AT ALL. Twister has some pretty loud bass, however it is NOT deep as the haunted. The lowest reading I got from my spectrum analyzers was 25hz in the LFE, and that was a brief bump, and not very extended in time.

1. Do not mess with you individual speaker levels once they are calibrated.
2. Do not mess with the SUBS level control after you have properly calibrated.
3. DO consult your users manual for you equipment YOURSELF, and do not ask anyone else for info.
4. Look for LFE level control IN THE RECEIVERS MENU!
5. If it allows for seperate LFE levels for each format, set DD to +0, Dts to +10.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND ALL OF THIS?

Unfortunately Terrence, and as usual (but with great respect), I do not, in fact, understand you. Please, let us begin with this statement below:

"Do NOT reset your subs level from the sub itself. That calibration should remain 4-5db higher than the main speakers regardless of format."

What exactly are you referring to here? When you say "from the sub ITSELF" do you mean that VOLUME KNOB on the back of my subwoofer? That knob is about HALFWAY up right now; any higher and I get some bottoming out from bass during extreme soundtrack peaks. And then if you are in fact referring to the subwoofer VOLUME KNOB itself, what do you mean it should "remain four to five dBs higher than the main speakers"? How can I judge dB levels on a ROTARY VOLUME KNOB?

I have contacted Onkyo direct and read my manual HUNDREDS OF TIMES....they do not know of, nor do I, any feature which allows LFE levels to be INDIVIDUALLY set for DIFFERENT FORMATS----THE ONLY setting for subwoofer level comes via the CALIBRATION menu, where you cycle through until you get to "Subwoofer" and then you can set the dBs in 1 dB increments....RIGHT NOW, that level is on "+6" along with my mains and surrounds; the center channel is on "+8" but all that is irrelevant....what I am saying is that the subwoofer is set on "+6" on CALIBRATION LEVEL and the ACTUAL VOLUME KNOB ON THE BACK OF THE SUBWOOFER ITSELF is about halfway up.

[kelsci]

Lex; His Lordship has given you proper advice and in particular, DO NOT TOUCH ANYTHING ON THOSE DARN SUBWOOFER CONTROLS ON THE SUBWOOFER CABINET. LEAVE THEM AS THEY ARE.

In a way, you answered your own question by describing the +6 level as working for the MOST EXTREMEME LFE BASS that are found on D.D. and DTS tracks of which you sub will not make a "cracking" noise. We are talking about a disc here that you feel should have more bass response;TWISTER DTS. I am repasting on this thread what I said earlier. When you do the increase, it is done with the preamplified sub output of your receiver and its readout which is now at +6.The above could become a slight "pain in the ass". A simple solution would be to get to the receivers +6 sub-put setting and increase the bass on a DTS disc till if just satisfies you. Suppose you did this and you hit +8 as the satisfying ouput. Use that in the future when playing DTS tracks that are similar in nature to TWISTER and when your finished, go back and reset your sub-out on your receiver to +6. Kelsci

[Lexmark3200]

Lex; His Lordship has given you proper advice and in particular, DO NOT TOUCH ANYTHING ON THOSE DARN SUBWOOFER CONTROLS ON THE SUBWOOFER CABINET. LEAVE THEM AS THEY ARE.

In a way, you answered your own question by describing the +6 level as working for the MOST EXTREMEME LFE BASS that are found on D.D. and DTS tracks of which you sub will not make a "cracking" noise. We are talking about a disc here that you feel should have more bass response;TWISTER DTS. I am repasting on this thread what I said earlier. When you do the increase, it is done with the preamplified sub output of your receiver and its readout which is now at +6.The above could become a slight "pain in the ass". A simple solution would be to get to the receivers +6 sub-put setting and increase the bass on a DTS disc till if just satisfies you. Suppose you did this and you hit +8 as the satisfying ouput. Use that in the future when playing DTS tracks that are similar in nature to TWISTER and when your finished, go back and reset your sub-out on your receiver to +6. Kelsci

Thank you Kel; I understand completely what you are suggesting.....are you sure, now, that I should never touch the volume knob ON the sub itself?

Also, does it sound normal that I would need to bump up the sub's calibration to beyond "+6" in certain circumstances? Does that sound already too high? And during stereo music listening, I should note that this bass setting of "+6" does not seem potent enough when listening to CDs as there is almost no bass at all; does increasing the BASS on the "Audio Adjust" of a receiver affect the bass coming from a subwoofer? I thought it didnt.....

[kelsci]

Lex; If you touch that volume level on the sub I will just say it will confuse the calibrations that satisfy you at this moment and throw them off. I would try what I suggested thru the receiver. Scientifically, our ears become more bass sensitive as volume is increased. This is called the FLETCHER-MUNSON CURVE. Lex, put the TWISTER disc into your system and try what I suggested. The hell with the Decibels in this case. The idea is for you to be able to return to the setting that works well with the enormous LFE soundtracks. Kelsci