Receiver Or Separates: What's Your Final Take?

[Lexmark3200]

You're right, my answer is a little confusing. But it's because I feel that both, flagship AVR's and separates are worth it. If you want to get just one unit that does it all, then the AVR's are the way to go. They are "good enough." The flagships are even "more than good enough." You can run your whole house including outside with one of these puppies and they will sound very good.
But if you go to separates I believe that you get just a little more sound quality. Maybe not a lot, but some. How important that "some" is to you can only be answered by you. Everyone has their own opinion on this. Yours should be the only one that counts for you. Personally, I don't think there is a huge difference, but there is one. And for the same money? What the heck, give me the platinum instead of the gold.
When I wrote more flexible for separates I meant for multi-room stuff. Why have one driving 2 rooms instead of 2 driving 2 rooms?

I know it's frustrating not to be able to get a "final answer" on this issue. But that's because there really isn't one. Some people like one thing, some like another. All you can do is get all the info you can, listen to as many different set-ups as you can, and make a decision that makes you feel good inside. No matter what choice you make, some will tell you it was wrong, others will say you made the best choice. I think both choices are good. You get a lot either way.

Don't worry, be happy........

Thanks a lot, G......do you personally feel receivers can power a home theater effectively?

[Lexmark3200]

"Man, your like a broken record. You asked questions that have no absolute answer and then barrade the people who try and explain this to you."

Right. No answer. That's correct. And I assume we can't DISCUSS issues in here for the sake of discussing them, right? If this is bothering you so much, why dont you just stay OUT of the conversation? I dont get it.

"Do flagship receivers put ouu their advertised power? NO. I know of no A/V that actually puts out the power they claim."

Okay. So they're not REALLY putting out 170 watts per channel.

"However, the flagships have much better power sources and are probably rated closer to reality than lower end models."

Okay; but how much closer; is there any way of telling?

"Will they outpeform or perform as well as seperates in the same general price range? In what areas? Video, Audio, Switchability, Convenience, what? Chances are you will not hear much if any of an improvement in perceived sound."

THATS what I was wondering.

"if I were you and thank god I am not"

Oh boy is this feeling mutual-----OH BOY do I mean that, too. THANK GOD I don't have the personality inside me that you possess --- just mean, rotten, sarcastic, bordering on evil characteristics that make everyday people simply suck. You're a perfect example of that.

[GMichael]

Thanks a lot, G......do you personally feel receivers can power a home theater effectively?

Effectively? Sure. Flagships? Even more than effectively. They could rock your house down.

By the way, I know that you and JSE have had, well, words, in the past. But some of what he says is worth looking into. What kind of speakers & sub are you using? From what most of what I've read, these make a bigger difference in sound than the amp itself.

[JSE]

[QUOTE=Lexmark3200
Oh boy is this feeling mutual-----OH BOY do I mean that, too. THANK GOD I don't have the personality inside me that you possess --- just mean, rotten, sarcastic, bordering on evil characteristics that make everyday people simply suck. You're a perfect example of that.[/QUOTE]



Yes, I am so mean, rotten, sarcatic and full of eveil characteristics that I tried to honestly answer your question even though you have asked it many times before. How dare I! But, you are right, why bother? You seem to intent on not hearing advise so I will leave you alone.

BTW, looks like GMichael seems to agree with some of my asnwers. Maybe that should tell you something?

Again, upgrade your speakers and sub. This will be the biggest improvement you can make right now. I am not saying your speakers are bad (that would be mean and rotten), I am just saying that's the best way to improve performance in your system. You are always taking issue with lack of LFE in a lot of movies. Ever think about getting a better sub? For less than $500, you can substantially upgrade your sub to something like a HSU, SVS, or others. Your Polk just is not in the same class as these subs. Hell, my subs are not in the same class as these subs. See, I am being rotten to myself.

So there is it, my advise. Take it or leave it. I don't care.

JSE

[Jim Clark]

First of all, "Jim", I am living 35 miles now from where my family retired, so you dont know what you are talking about-----plus, my father is in very, very serious cardiac condition right now so I'd appreciate it if you would lay off the family oriented comments. I KNOW the circumstances for why I needed to move in my heart and soul and YOU dont, and I know I made the right decision and needed to be closer with my family and thats really no business of yours how I handle that. You don't understand how important family is for many people, no matter what their age, and you don't really know what an individual is going through personally in their lives to make any kind of personal judgement or sarcastic remark like you did above.

Your problem, and I'm just talking about one of them, is that you have zero credibility. You are a liar

I have no idea what this TLADINY reference is.

You have a tendency to lie when it's convenient and continue the charade when the evidence is stacked to the top of the forum, as has been done here before. I won't be getting weepy for you anytime soon. I suspect the only thing you've ever posted that's close to the truth is that you can't get a girl.

You give incredibly poor advice - remember the whole "my buddy who is an expert said to set everything to +6" fiasco - I sure do. And those reviews - wow.

You are a complete putz

"this topic has been hot around here lately by other members, such as G Michael, so I guess Im to blame for that, too

Very disingenious to put the blame for the lamness on G Micheal. I'm sure if G Micheal has any questions he is fully capable of posting the issue himself. Of course that's not the issue is it? You need G Micheal to rub your belly and tell you your gear isn't garbage because that's all that's going on in these numerous threads.

jc

[L.J.]

[QUOTE=JSE]

Yes, I am so mean, rotten, sarcatic and full of eveil characteristics that I tried to honestly answer your question even though you have asked it many times before. How dare I! But, you are right, why bother? You seem to intent on not hearing advise so I will leave you alone.

BTW, looks like GMichael seems to agree with some of my asnwers. Maybe that should tell you something?

Again, upgrade your speakers and sub. This will be the biggest improvement you can make right now. I am not saying your speakers are bad (that would be mean and rotten), I am just saying that's the best way to improve performance in your system. You are always taking issue with lack of LFE in a lot of movies. Ever think about getting a better sub? For less than $500, you can substantially upgrade your sub to something like a HSU, SVS, or others. Your Polk just is not in the same class as these subs. Hell, my subs are not in the same class as these subs. See, I am being rotten to myself.

So there is it, my advise. Take it or leave it. I don't care.

JSE

I agree. I upgraded my entire system and started with my avr. Going from JVC to Denon , of course I heard a difference in sound. But the real day and night difference came when I upgraded my speakers and sub about 2 months ago. Huge difference in SQ. I wish I would have upgraded my speakers a long time ago.

[Slosh]

Ahhhhhhh......thanks for clearing that up for me Slosh......I guess that's why DVD ETC. Magazine and Home Theater both have no problems understanding that I'm running a RECEIVER based system to do reviews, and that they CONTINUOUSLY BOTH spotlight receivers during their gear roundup.....hmmmmm......you're right.......

Let's see a link to just one of your DVD Etc. or Home Theater reviews. Message-board reviews don't count.

[Geoffcin]

Keep to the topic, and refrain from slinging crap please.

[abstracta]

My new Panasonic XR55 just annihilated my prized B&K ST3030 and matched B&K AVP 2000 Pre-amp.It was no contest - like moving from VHS to third generation DVD.

You guys can keep the seperates and snob appeal.

[csukasem]

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IMHO, if I were you and thank god I am not, I would upgrade my speakers and especially my sub. Maybe even do some room acoustic room treatments. These three things will give you far far far better improvements than just upgrading your receiver. ........

JSE

Yes, sir. If the issue here is to upgrade, I totally agree with first changing speakers. Starting with Center. Subwoofer is a must. Separates are for people who have refined ears, having (too/very) much concerns with details/soundstage/....

In my experience, I found that it very much depends on people you are socializing with, whether they are using receivers or separates.

Sukasem

[bjornb17]

Food Fight!!!!!