Presence speakers - What do you think?

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

I only started your quote or this would be a book...

I'll get right to the point...

Let me ask you a question...

If all engineers follow the same standard, then why do a great many of my CD's sound like crap and a few others sound fantastic?

CD's are a 2 channel medium, and there are no standards for mixing 2 channel sources. There are standards for mixing multichannel music and soundtracks.

I've gotten to the point that I rarely buy CD's any more because more often than not, I end up throwing them in a drawer. I love the music, but I hate the recording of it.

Why is that?

Ever heard of something called the loudness wars? If not, read up

Loudness war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I've asked you this before and you ignored me.

Maybe it is because you are mixing two things together that are quite different.

Don't blame it on my equipment. I've had a number of systems ranging in the tens of thousands of dollars and a crappy CD is a crappy CD no matter what. I've heard many people complain about the quality of many recordings so I am not alone in this quagmire.

If you recording engineers adhere to the same science, the same principles and the same standards, why are my draws full of coasters?

See above

This goes for movies too.

If you want to hear complaints about the quality of your work (not personally, but in general) listen to the end users.

Why do you think I participate on sites like this, Bluray.com, and Hidefdigest? To listen to the end users.

You and your like can go through life patting yourselves on the back for a job well done, but that means nothing when the person buying your product thinks its garbage. Fortunately, most people don't have good audio systems or the complaints would overwhelm the industry.

More BS. Steven, your bowels should be empty by now. I am an active participant on the largest HT site on the web(Bluray.com). Almost everyone knows I am a sound designer and mixer for a major Hollywood studio, and I don't hear that our mixes are garbage. Perhaps you should go get those bat ears of yours checked.

You do not know the quality of most people systems, you have not heard them. There is a weakness in your arguments, and this is why you rely heavily on hyperbole, assumptions, and misinformation as a basis of your comments.

Although limited, it's the good recordings that keep me hanging on.

I have a lot of very good jazz and classical recordings in my collection. I don't really buy anything else, at least not in the last several years.

While I'm asking questions...

As you well know, if the monitors that you mix on are sonically colored, anything you do will sound colored on speakers that are more accurate in the home.

How do you know the monitors I mix on are colored? More assumptions? Do you know what monitors I use for mixing?

I would assume that you would want the most accurate speakers possible in the studio. Why don't home audio systems use the same speakers as you do in the studio? Or... Why don't studios use high quality home speakers as their reference. I do know that some do, but why don't all studios use them.

You don't even know what kind of speakers we use in the studio, and you have never heard the ones we use, so you cannot make this ignorant statement without that information.

Addendum:

BTW, I looked up what it takes to be an audio engineer and found that you can do it in as little as 4 weeks, longer if you stretch the courses out. The only requirement is a high school education.

It took me 2 years of college just to get into the meat of real engineering courses at a university. It seems to me that audio engineering is more like real estate or truck driving school.

Well anyway, I have to rethink your credentials... I thought I was talking to someone else.

Steven, you are a complete idiot plain and simple. I went to the University of Southern California School of Cinematic Arts (the same film school that Spielberg,Walter Murch, Ron Howard,Jon Landau,George Lucas,Joe Johnston went to). You are totally stupid if you think you can learn what I learned in college in 4 weeks.

Your level of ignorance seems to have no bounds. I almost prefer to mix it up with RGA and Pixel. Even with their limited education on sound, they are far far ahead of you.

Just exactly what do you engineer, BS bins?

[StevenSurprenant]

Steven, you are a complete idiot plain and simple. I went to the University of Southern California School of Cinematic Arts (the same film school that Spielberg,Walter Murch, Ron Howard,Jon Landau,George Lucas,Joe Johnston went to). You are totally stupid if you think you can learn what I learned in college in 4 weeks.

Your level of ignorance seems to have no bounds. I almost prefer to mix it up with RGA and Pixel. Even with their limited education on sound, they are far far ahead of you.

RGA makes way more sense than you and being like Pixelthis should be your goal in comparison to what you are now.

I've never spoken to anyone that doesn't listen and completely doesn't understand what the conversation is about, like you do. Every time you answer a post, it's like you were asleep in the back of the class. It gets tiresome trying to get you to focus on the conversation.

So you went to school for Theater and Arts. How many classes of that were in the mixing studio? What are we talking about, 4 credit hours?

I'll ask you one more time. Give me the name of some of your work. and let me be the judge of your qualifications. I don't think you have anything to show.

I've worked with professionals all my life, chemists, biologists, engineers, and never had I known any that that would go on amateur boards like this and act like a fool as you have done here. Not only do you not listen, you are the most unprofessional "expert" I have ever known.

I'm not too worried about you because I know that someone with your attitude will get bitten in the arse someday.

Besides, it makes no sense that you'ld be here unless there was something missing in you life. perhaps you don't get the recognition at work that you think you deserve? Or perhaps you "Do" get the recognition you deserve and it's not working our for you. Perhaps you're lonely and can't make any friends and so you try and take it out on us. I don't know, but I do know that an audio engineer is not an engineer in the true sense of the word, such as chemical, electrical, biological, etc.... You said yourself that you got your education in Theater, not engineering.

Listening to you claiming to be an audio engineer is like someone from the GeekSquad claiming to be an IT professional.

You have strayed this thread completely off course from it's original subject matter and have added almost nothing positive. Is this your idea of social interaction in a group setting? What a waste!

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

RGA makes way more sense than you and being like Pixelthis should be your goal in comparison to what you are now.

Oh really, you must like convuluted crap....oh wait, you are guilty of this as well. Birds of a feather.....

I've never spoken to anyone that doesn't listen and completely doesn't understand what the conversation is about, like you do. Every time you answer a post, it's like you were asleep in the back of the class. It gets tiresome trying to get you to focus on the conversation.

You never spoken to me as well, and why should I listen to the sh!t you post?. You have ZERO audio education, apply ZERO science in your post, and lie like a bear rug in a hunters showroom.

So you went to school for Theater and Arts. How many classes of that were in the mixing studio? What are we talking about, 4 credit hours?

Well, my 4 credits are twice as many as you took for engineering toilets.

I'll ask you one more time. Give me the name of some of your work. and let me be the judge of your qualifications. I don't think you have anything to show.

Whats the point, you cannot play those movies back accurately anyway without a center channel.

I've worked with professionals all my life, chemists, biologists, engineers, and never had I known any that that would go on amateur boards like this and act like a fool as you have done here. Not only do you not listen, you are the most unprofessional "expert" I have ever known.

You and I have much in common then. You are the most simple, idiotic, lying amateur I have ever met. Okay, who gets the cookie?

I'm not too worried about you because I know that someone with your attitude will get bitten in the arse someday.

It seems to me that you should fear teeth as well.

Besides, it makes no sense that you'ld be here unless there was something missing in you life. perhaps you don't get the recognition at work that you think you deserve? Or perhaps you "Do" get the recognition you deserve and it's not working our for you. Perhaps you're lonely and can't make any friends and so you try and take it out on us. I don't know, but I do know that an audio engineer is not an engineer in the true sense of the word, such as chemical, electrical, biological, etc.... You said yourself that you got your education in Theater, not engineering.

Your really are dense aren't you. My degrees are in Film and Television Post Production, and Acoustical Science with a specialty in small rooms.

Why are you here? What's missing in your life, aside from brains? No electrical charges moving around in that air head?

I hope you can see what a buffoon you have ended up looking like. Online psychology is not your forte, and I am not sure what is.

Listening to you claiming to be an audio engineer is like someone from the GeekSquad claiming to be an IT professional.

Ooooooooo...that hurts. I just may end my life now because a air head does not like my approach.

You have strayed this thread completely off course from it's original subject matter and have added almost nothing positive. Is this your idea of social interaction in a group setting? What a waste!

The waste here would be your uneducated comments, stupid baiting, and clueless responses.

Go back to the hole you climbed out of. And while you are there, read up on the ear/brain mechanism, and then climb back out with a clue.

[StevenSurprenant]

Oh really, you must like convuluted crap....oh wait, you are guilty of this as well. Birds of a feather.....



You never spoken to me as well, and why should I listen to the sh!t you post?. You have ZERO audio education, apply ZERO science in your post, and lie like a bear rug in a hunters showroom.



Well, my 4 credits are twice as many as you took for engineering toilets.



Whats the point, you cannot play those movies back accurately anyway without a center channel.



You and I have much in common then. You are the most simple, idiotic, lying amateur I have ever met. Okay, who gets the cookie?



It seems to me that you should fear teeth as well.



Your really are dense aren't you. My degrees are in Film and Television Post Production, and Acoustical Science with a specialty in small rooms.

Why are you here? What's missing in your life, aside from brains? No electrical charges moving around in that air head?

I hope you can see what a buffoon you have ended up looking like. Online psychology is not your forte, and I am not sure what is.



Ooooooooo...that hurts. I just may end my life now because a air head does not like my approach.



The waste here would be your uneducated comments, stupid baiting, and clueless responses.

Go back to the hole you climbed out of. And while you are there, read up on the ear/brain mechanism, and then climb back out with a clue.

Sorry I didn't read your post yet, Ill get back to that later. In the meantime, I just want you to know that you are a "poser", someone who tries to be what they're not. You have no credibility and very little of what you say is valid. You give real audio engineers a bad name.

Okay, I'm back. After reading your post the only thing worth mentioning is your comment...

[Whats the point, you cannot play those movies back accurately anyway without a center channel. ]

How many times do I have to tell you that I have "TWO" systems, one 2 channel and one surround? Isn't this what this entire thread has been about? My surround system? Wake up dude!

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Sorry I didn't read your post yet, Ill get back to that later. In the meantime, I just want you to know that you are a "poser", someone who tries to be what they're not. You have no credibility and very little of what you say is valid. You give real audio engineers a bad name.

Okay, I'm back. After reading your post the only thing worth mentioning is your comment...

[Whats the point, you cannot play those movies back accurately anyway without a center channel. ]

How many times do I have to tell you that I have "TWO" systems, one 2 channel and one surround? Isn't this what this entire thread has been about? My surround system? Wake up dude!

Stupid Steven....you cannot determine if I am a poser or not. Using your assumption to fill in the blanks does not cut it. Based on what I have read from you comments, your not a poser, you really are stupid.

Anyone who have been on this site knows I have the education and insight to what I do, and some bitter online punk who does not like what I have to say is not going to change that. Wine and cry to somebody else who will pay attention, I am not.

Weren't you complaining that your center speaker localizes below the screen? Yep you were, which means you speaker is not properly placed, or too directional to get the dialog on screen. What the point of telling you anything if you cannot properly playback what I mix.

[StevenSurprenant]

Stupid Steven....you cannot determine if I am a poser or not. Using your assumption to fill in the blanks does not cut it. Based on what I have read from you comments, your not a poser, you really are stupid.

Anyone who have been on this site knows I have the education and insight to what I do, and some bitter online punk who does not like what I have to say is not going to change that. Wine and cry to somebody else who will pay attention, I am not.

Weren't you complaining that your center speaker localizes below the screen? Yep you were, which means you speaker is not properly placed, or too directional to get the dialog on screen. What the point of telling you anything if you cannot properly playback what I mix.

You may or may not have the education, I have no proof of that. What I can tell from your posts is that you don't listen to what people are saying, you constantly assume things that are inaccurate, and you assume that what you claim you do is correct regardless of the opinion of the general public, the people who spend their money so that you can have a job. If TV manufacturers, or car manufacturers didn't give the people what they wanted , they would be out of business. You feel that you have the right to dictate to us what is best for us. That is wrong on all accounts.

Listen to how you address people here who disagree with you or question your positions. It's like you're a 3 year old child throwing a temper tantrum. No one can respect a spoiled child. To show you how disrespectful you are to others, when ForeverAutumn asked you and I to stop polluting his/her thread with our bickering or they were going to delete the post, your reply was, "I vote for close it then". How selfish and self centered can a person be than that. You're so egotistical that you see nothing wrong with that.

More than once, I've asked for examples of your work and you've ignored or avoided that request. That makes me assume that you do not have anything to show or that you are ashamed of the work you've done. I'l ask one more time, but this time I also want the name of your employer.

Tell you what...

If it will make you happy, I'll claim that you are all knowing and all powerful. Would that make you happy? YOU can be the god of all things audio. That way you can sit back a relax knowing that heathens like myself and others who question your authority will go to audio hell when we die. You don't have to worry about it any longer. How's that?

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

You may or may not have the education, I have no proof of that. What I can tell from your posts is that you don't listen to what people are saying, you constantly assume things that are inaccurate, and you assume that what you claim you do is correct regardless of the opinion of the general public, the people who spend their money so that you can have a job. If TV manufacturers, or car manufacturers didn't give the people what they wanted , they would be out of business. You feel that you have the right to dictate to us what is best for us. That is wrong on all accounts.

Oh I guess I should bow down to you just because you buy a bluray. Ahhh no....well I mean HELL NO!

Listen to how you address people here who disagree with you or question your positions. It's like you're a 3 year old child throwing a temper tantrum. No one can respect a spoiled child. To show you how disrespectful you are to others, when ForeverAutumn asked you and I to stop polluting his/her thread with our bickering or they were going to delete the post, your reply was, "I vote for close it then". How selfish and self centered can a person be than that. You're so egotistical that you see nothing wrong with that.

Oh these are terrible things to say. Geeze, my life is going to come to an end. My rep has been tarnished, and I just may never recover. Well, I wanted that thread closed because you spewed so much misinformation about dog behavior(like you do on audio as well), that it is better to close it, than to let you continue spreading the WRONG INFORMATION.

More than once, I've asked for examples of your work and you've ignored or avoided that request. That makes me assume that you do not have anything to show or that you are ashamed of the work you've done. I'l ask one more time, but this time I also want the name of your employer.

And once more I will turn you down flat. I don't owe you a blade of grass, and I do not have to give you any personal information about myself. Its none of your damn business.

Tell you what...

If it will make you happy, I'll claim that you are all knowing and all powerful. Would that make you happy? YOU can be the god of all things audio. That way you can sit back a relax knowing that heathens like myself and others who question your authority will go to audio hell when we die. You don't have to worry about it any longer. How's that?

This is more for you than it is for me, I assure you. Like I have told you before, you are just words on a forum. I don't think you are a heathen, just uniformed, out of date, and just plain uneducated on the issues you are trying to argue over.

Imagine the arrogance of coming to a forum and declaring the audio mixers in Hollywood have it wrong, and you have it right. And doing this without stepping into a studio, without mixing a single soundtrack, or touching a single fader on a mixing board. What gall, and this is why you are getting the verbal smackdown.