Okay, I'm just asking. Pioneer & Panasonic av receivers are looked down upon by the "audiophile" community. My question is- why? I see great consumer recommendations (on the audioreview site), and sites like CNET, Sound & Vision, Consumer Reports, etc. Equipment like the Panny SAHE 100, 200, Pioneer VSX-D811, 912, 914, 1014. So what gives? I hear the lower end Onkyo and Yamaha (some of their HTR series are made in CHINA with a 1 as opposed to 2 year warranty on their rxv stuff) is not made as well as it used to be. Even HK is using China to manufacture their stuff. I thought that meant low quality. Most everyone else (below $1000) makes their stuff in Malaysia or Indonesia. I've had a Pioneer VSX-D411 for almost three years with no problems. As I've said before, I use it to mostly watch movies, not for music. That's probably because I work in radio and am pretty much sick of music by the end of the day. So, someone please tell me why anything other than Onkyo, Yamaha, Denon, etc. sucks! I know it's subjective, Outlaw and NAD fans hate Yam & Onk. Are people just stuck on name recognition? I just want some serious insight on this matter. Are audiophiles experts, or just snobs?