Oppo Digital update

[Luvin Da Blues]

Oppo makes a great universal DVD/SACD player!

So..I see you're liking da OPPO.

[nightflier]

Kex, Feanor, I think you are forgetting about the buying and selling of stocks, bonds, gold, dollars, and other financials. That represents the vast majority of daily spending in the US.

[kexodusc]

Kex, Feanor, I think you are forgetting about the buying and selling of stocks, bonds, gold, dollars, and other financials. That represents the vast majority of daily spending in the US.

Nightflier, the value of the service transactions are included in GDP (ie, the brokerage service), the change in ownership during a stock transaction doesn't factor in as no new economic growth is necessarily generated by a change in ownership. The actual value of the shares moving when buying selling stocks, are not factored into the GDP formula. THink about it. Otherwise a country could setup 2 trading computers to sell stock back and forth between each other infinitiely every year and drive GDP to infinity. No new value is created, not 1 job, no new investment into business, no savings. Just paper swapping back and forth.

The 70% figure is quite correct, I can point you to references upon request.

[nightflier]

But I never mentioned GDP.

[kexodusc]

But I never mentioned GDP.

Fair enough, but Pix's original statement about 70% of economic activity is a GDP reference, in which my comments were based...if you're not responding to that, I'm not sure where you're going with your reference to selling/buying securities?

[nightflier]

OK, I guess in all this excitement I've kinda lost track myself. But being this is a .44 Magnum - the most powerful hand gun... oh wait, that was another thread.

[Rich-n-Texas]

Yeah, I just stapled the fabric on the back side (narrow side of the 1x3's all the way up, then pulled it tight working from top down (or from middle to the edges, either way). Then did the same for the other 2 parallel sides. When you get near the corners, leave'em...Folding is tricky and I don't do it cleanly. If you can wrap presents you'll be fine but I can't. I got them looking good from the visible side but the back is a mess..close enough for me.

I'm going to attempt two more basically the same way as I did with the first two, only this time I'm going to make a jig that has a frame, lay the burlap over it, and then, with the fiberglass already glued to the backer board, snug it inside the frame and hope it's a good tight fit all the way around. I think I'll lay some heavy weights on it while the glue's drying, and hopefully this time I won't see any air pockets after they've been hanging on the wall for a while.

I found a few pics...how do I link to my gallery?
http://gallery.audioreview.com/showp...&ppuser=230587

http://gallery.audioreview.com/showp...&ppuser=230587

I was able to look them over. You say you made your frames out of 1 x 3's?

The BFD isn't hard to setup really..the online manuals are idiot proof. It's very easy to setup, get a few big improvements and have quick gratification. Getting optimal results takes a lot of trial and error and can be tricky. Of course you can download the auto room EQ wizard program if you have a mic, but make sure it reads LFE well (many don't).

Seriously though, it's not as bad as it seems. Cutting a few peaks at first is easy enough and that alone will be a big improvement. You'll be surprised.

It's on its way. Stay tuned... seriously.

[Rich-n-Texas]

So..I see you're liking da OPPO.

Yes I am!

While I realize I'm not using good reference material to get the most out of my listening tests, I'm still hearing differences between the Oppo and the PS3. I watched my Pink Floyd Pulse DVD's last night, and from an audio SQ standpoint, the Oppo gave me a tighter I guess I'd say, playback. Another thing I noticed was that emphasis was more on vocals and other mid-range instruments, but the highs were still there and the LFE, while not as pronounced as is the case with the PS3, were there and again, tighter. I listened to the concert at about 80dB, and I think with some more tweaking I'll be closer to feeling the "punch".

I guess the best way to test the player is with some classical music in SACD format, which IIRC is better suited to my B&W's anyway. Maybe I can rent one.

[kexodusc]

I'm going to attempt two more basically the same way as I did with the first two, only this time I'm going to make a jig that has a frame, lay the burlap over it, and then, with the fiberglass already glued to the backer board, snug it inside the frame and hope it's a good tight fit all the way around. I think I'll lay some heavy weights on it while the glue's drying, and hopefully this time I won't see any air pockets after they've been hanging on the wall for a while.


I was able to look them over. You say you made your frames out of 1 x 3's?

It's on its way. Stay tuned... seriously.

I think I bought 1 x 4"s that are factory cut and not really 1 x 4, more like 1x3, then I remember ripping each one to make it 2" depth to match the fiberglass depth. Took a few minutes and I had a lot of kindling left that got used for shims or whatever, but not hard.


I didn't glue anything. Do you have the rigid fiberglass or mineral wool? Cut the rigid stuff 1/8 or inch too wide and stuff it in the frame. It'll hold perfect. Mine have for a few years now.

[Rich-n-Texas]

It's Owens 703 fiberglass. Mineral wool is a different animal, at least at ATS Acoustics.

I'm extremely power tool challenged; the only thing I have is a jigsaw, but I'm usually able to get rough cuts done at Home Depot. I'll see how these next two turn out. If they're aren't up-to-snuff, I'll box the last two (bought the box of six for $80) in a 1 x 3" frame.

[kexodusc]

It's Owens 703 fiberglass. Mineral wool is a different animal, at least at ATS Acoustics.

I'm extremely power tool challenged; the only thing I have is a jigsaw, but I'm usually able to get rough cuts done at Home Depot. I'll see how these next two turn out. If they're aren't up-to-snuff, I'll box the last two (bought the box of six for $80) in a 1 x 3" frame.

I think if you're christmas present wrapping skills are up to snuff you can probably do it your way. I'm a terrible present-wrapper so I rely on power tools. At the time it gave me an excuse to use my new air-stapler.

[Rich-n-Texas]

I had a lot of trouble folding the corners of the burlap over myself, and I think it's because I didn't leave enough overlap. I bought a much larger qty of it so there'll be more material left to make better folds, I hope.

[nightflier]

I got lost, here. Tex, did you buy the new Oppo universal BR/SACD player? I thought that wasn't out yet.

[Rich-n-Texas]

No, I bought the 980 to replace my old Panny DVD changer. Last time I was at their website, the BR player hadn't been available for purchase yet.

[nightflier]

I'm seriously leaning to getting it, the price-point is just too good to wait. I'm probably the last guy here who doesn't yet have a BR player.

[RoyY51]

...second to last...

[nightflier]

And why is it taking Oppo so damn long? It's not like the technology isn't out there.

[Rich-n-Texas]

Ahhhhh... stick another stogey in yer pie hole and relax will ya? Perfection doesn't happen overnight knucklehead!!!

[blackraven]

I hope its taking Oppo so damn long because they want it to be a very good universal player. I want to buy one as well to replace my pos sony BDP-300 and to use as a DVD and SACD player.

Rich, how do you lie the Oppo as a CDP?

[Rich-n-Texas]

I hope its taking Oppo so damn long because they want it to be a very good universal player. I want to buy one as well to replace my pos sony BDP-300 and to use as a DVD and SACD player.

Rich, how do you lie the Oppo as a CDP?

CDP? As in CD player?

CD is dead. DEAD!

DEAD DEAD DEAD!

[Rich-n-Texas]

Rich, how do you lie the Oppo as a CDP?

Seriously though, do you want the 2 channel version or the heavily processed 5.1 version?

Right now my receiver is in "Pure direct" mode and I'm listening to Pink Floyd "Echos" with peak volume @ ~ 90dB. I don't want to use this word because I agree with the person who says "warm" is just another way of lacking detail, but that's about how I would describe what's getting to my ears. What stands out the most is the rich bass from the Matrix 804's. Quite rich. Not overpowering but not real tight either. Cymbals are good; no distortion as far as I can tell, but I have some HF hearing loss in my left ear so...

Nevertheless, given the less-than-ideal room conditions, I'd say overall, in any processing mode SQ tops the PS3 by a thin margin.

[blackraven]

I'm interested in the 2ch version.

[Rich-n-Texas]

Sorry, I should've indicated that when the receiver is in "Pure Direct" mode it's sending what the player's giving it... 2 channel only. The receiver is completely transparent.

[blackraven]

Concerning your statement about warm music. I do miss the detail and resolution of my Cambridge Audio 840c some times. I should have kept it along with my Van Alstine DAC which does quite have the same resolution as the 840c but it is smoother, warmer with no harshness. I may buy another 740c or 840c used to use with certain music, or I may go with a Benchmark DAC which some people say sounds about the same as the 840c.

Back to the Oppo, I'm glad you like the sound. I really want it for SACD playback to replace my Denon 1910 DVD player along with my sony Bluray

[pixelthis]

[QUOTE=kexodusc]As a point of information, you both are correct, sort of.

I have no doubt he heard "consumer spending" and 70% on the Monster Truck Rally Network he watches, that is correct. Consumer spending is the largest driver of economic growth and is 70% of GDP.

CNBC, BLOOMBERG, FOX BUSINESS, and the WALL STREET JOURNAL
have monster trucks?
GEE! WHERE?


That 70% figure includes both goods AND services produced.


While Pix seems good at repeating what he hears smarter people say, he doesn't seem to be capable of applying it well:

This is quite a stupid statement to make. That would mean absolutely nobody would be buying any goods or services at all. I guess all of America has stopped buying food, toilet paper, doesn't have power, phone, etc, etc....It's impossible for it to go to zero. Pix if you spend even 1 red cent in 2009 GDP isn't zero.

I forgot that nobody on this site is smart enough to analyze a simple statement.
Of COURSE that 70% wont disapear...JUST MOST OF IT

I was just making the point that this country is living on credit cards and lines of credit,
most of which disapeared when the housing market crashed

Even in the poorest countries on earth, people will consume REAL amounts of food and necessities, leading to real trade (forget nominal dolllar figures) under any economic activity.

YES, like in Zimbabwi.
Or the Weimar Republic

What Pix doesn't seem to get is that economic drivers can shift back and forth instead of reducing outright. While Consumption might reduce in the short term, government spending is certainly going up, an GDP isn't going to crash as much as reduce a bit.

AH yes, the old mind trap of Keynsean economics, the lie that the govt can actually
PRODUCE anything except war, inflation, buearcracy, and propaganda.
You guys never look at unintended consequences.
when the govt builds a housing project that increases housing, right?
WRONG, because the resources that created that housing project ALREADY EXISTED.
And since teh govt is less efficent than teh private sector LESS housing is produced with
the SAME money.
All the "govt" is going to do is punish the producers with draconian taxes and regulations,
in effect making things worse.
And if that isnt bad enough they will print worthless paper money, and every worthless dollar they print will make the dollars in YOU'RE wallet worth less.
There is nothing special about the US, we start printing worthless scrip and it will rapidly become just that, just like it has EVERYWHERE ELSE it has been tried.

He seems so in love with GDP. Maybe he should look at the fact GDP in 2008 was still an all time high (real dollars) and that GDP even grew in the first half of the year...and with contraction expected, we might end up at 2007 levels. Oh noooo....the horror, I remember how bad 2007 was. Famine, pestilence, poverty.....aaahhhhhh....

The "GDP " is near worthless, like most govt propaganda.
You probably have to shave 40% off of it to be near accurrate.
But you need a number to argue with, even if its probably imaginary