well went to the hifi store and look at the rotel rmb 2095 and the yamaha 2700 dou. They didnt have it hooked up but 2 blocks down was another store listened to a nad t 163 preamp/tuner and a nad t973 7-channel power amp set up. The nad sounded very nice. I got both dealers down to the same price new out the door 3500$. I know I can get the rotel/yamaha set for about 2500 new yamaha and used rotel. The nad dealer said the nad set up was way better but then again he's a salesman lol. I would really like some opinions on these. One other thing the nad has no hdmi so that would be a minus but it did have level trims for the speakers right on the remote very handy. Thanks and please let the opinions flow