And My New Tv Is....

[BadAssJazz]

Wow, how did this degrade into a plasma vs. LCD frackfest? Let's just call it a win-win. As long as everyone is happy with their purchase(s).

[pixelthis]

Wow, how did this degrade into a plasma vs. LCD frackfest? Let's just call it a win-win. As long as everyone is happy with their purchase(s).

You're absolutely right, of course.
But please remember that a lot of newbies look to sites such as this for
info, if we advocate certain form factors (plasma, lcd) then its incumbent that we explain our choices...
And whats a few friendly digs...
the only plasma that works

[pixelthis]

I guess if you can live with motion blur found on LCD's, then good for you!!

YES I CAN!!!
And when plasma buyers are sitting in front of a dead screen right after the warranty expires, and are forced to do desperate things
for entertainment (like talk to their wives) I wont even rub it in.
(speaking of "motion blur)

[Rich-n-Texas]

You're absolutely right, of course.
But please remember that a lot of newbies look to sites such as this for
info, if we advocate certain form factors (plasma, lcd) then its incumbent that we explain our choices...
And whats a few friendly digs...
the only plasma that works

Oh this is just freakin hilarious! Are you running for AR.com president? You have every form factor dead except your Vizio LCD. You've been explaining your reasons for what, a year now? NEWSFLASH: Plasma's AND DLP's are still selling!!!

[GMichael]

TV is dead!
Long live AM radio.

[bobsticks]

YES I CAN!!!
And when plasma buyers are sitting in front of a dead screen right after the warranty expires, and are forced to do desperate things
for entertainment (like talk to their wives) I wont even rub it in.
(speaking of "motion blur)

Recognize that you may be the only one here that is concerned with the lifespan of a television to the degree that would necessitate taking a mortgage out on it.

[pixelthis]

Oh this is just freakin hilarious! Are you running for AR.com president? You have every form factor dead except your Vizio LCD. You've been explaining your reasons for what, a year now? NEWSFLASH: Plasma's AND DLP's are still selling!!!

I have been looking for a report I came across on consumer reports,
says that DLP sets have a much higher repair rate, if I ever find it I will
post the link.
what I have been saying is based on one important fact.
You can hand build audio gear, but in the case of video you are pretty much limited by what the mass market chooses.
Except for sir talkys frankenstein project maybe.
In the start you had three types of auto, steam, electric and gas.
Eventually gas won out and the other two died.
TODAY its plasma, LCD, and (dying faster than a fruitfly in sept) DLP.
Heck, I EVEN tried to help you out, suggested one to a friend at work
as a good cheap way to get a large screen, but he wants (like the rest of the world) one that hangs on the wall.
And he's seen burn in on plasma, doesnt matter if the problem is "fixed"
that is not the perception.
LCD is going to be the tech for years, until OLED gets cheap
(if it ever does).
SONY quit with the lcos based RPTV'S, DOESNT that tell you something?
LCD is IT, sorry but that is just the way it is, and we need to be developing that tech, not wasting time on a format that is going
nowhere
In a few years the only place you will be able to buy either a plasma or a DLP is at a garage sale or the want ads, really.
TWO YEARS ago my 37" cost a grand, and was considered "cheap".
A few weeks ago my 42", with 1080p, 3 hdmi, and a lot more features,
was 900$, and economies of scale arent even fully kicked in yet.
I know thats not what you want to hear, but trust me, the people
at TI where you work already know all of this, nothing new to them.
DLP was for the govt, its just like them to pay a ton to develope a
display system that only does greyscale, but TI did a good job of
adapting it to consumer use anyway.
But buddy, it aint FLAT, as a matter of fact despite best efforts,
its still quite bulky, and that isnt important?
It is for one major reason, the WAF (wife acceptance factor).
Women just aint into this hobby like men, and the only reason a lot get a big screen is by convincing the wife that they need one of those new, "cool" flatscreens.
Thats the only reason a lot of men have a large set, looks arent even important to women, fashion is.
Remember doc martins? Army boots? Women wore those ugly things for years.
I remember you posted quite a few times about a major prob with your DLP, where to put the center speaker.
A non issue for a wall hanging set, yeah all of this might seem trivial
compared to all important PQ, but that isnt that much of an issue anymore, what with sets getting better and better.
At Circuit city they had several DLP sets, with nobody looking at them, Couldnt find any anywhere else except at a TV shop that sells
MITSHUBISHI, and thats IT.
And several salesmen told me that LCD was selling better than plasma,
especially when people found out it was more energy efficent, weighed
less, had fewer tech issues, etc, and side by side in a store there really isnt much difference in picture, really, not enough that concerns most.
I love my set, the red-green-blue color temp, and various other things
make for a really great picture.
LCD is the future, and thats it, and that is not what I am saying, its what everybody is voting for in the one true democracy, the market.
Plasma is the only real competitor, and if you want to watch video by shooting 30,000 volts through volatile gas encased in a delicate glass envelope, go right ahead, the only argument for plasma is "pq"
but the only affordable ones are 720p, WHEN MOST lcd IS GOING 1080P.
Admit it, you have watched a buddys new "plasma" for awhile only to
find out later that it is a LCD and "plasma" his generic phrase for a flat screen, you just cant eyeball two sets side by side and tell much difference anymore, I have fooled people several times, its called the placebo effect.
I am not "championing " a certain anything, I just wish electronic companies would quit wasting money on tech that will be in the attic
in a few years

[pixelthis]

TV is dead!
Long live AM radio.

Your cerebal cortex is dead, long live your autonomous functions.
Really AM radio?
Better watch out, this guy lives there.

[pixelthis]

Recognize that you may be the only one here that is concerned with the lifespan of a television to the degree that would necessitate taking a mortgage out on it.

Where do you live that you have to take out a "mortgage" on a 900$
TV?
I bought it with a vac pay check.
AND I tend to change sets every two years or so, but with advances
slowing that may change, my current set may stay current longer than that.
MY MAIN concern for set lifespan is that a longer lasting set is less
prone to break down, and I often hand down or sell sets to people I know or am related to.
Maybe you're young or something, but trust me, having a TV break is
no fun, thats why I dont buy Toshiba, the only set to ever break on me.
And it seems that an array of solid state TFT devices is going to last longer than a plasma gas encased in an envelope powered by 30,000
volts.
If the backlight on your LCD goes out (not likely) you could take the back off and hang it in a window and watch it by daylight, or sit a lamp behind it, its very simple tech really.
When the gas goes outta your plasma, or the high voltage step-up
transformer goes south, and never comes back, then what?
I prefer to keep my devices as simple as possible, is all.

[RoadRunner6]

http://www.vizio.com/productDetails....=1404&pid=1506


beep, beep

[pixelthis]

http://www.vizio.com/productDetails....=1404&pid=1506


beep, beep

10" smaller, less res, and you save a couple of bucks.
I started out with a set better than this one.
This set is a marketing response, really

[RoadRunner6]

He completely ignores the fact that it is a VIZIO !!!

[pixelthis]

He completely ignores the fact that it is a VIZIO !!!

And what is wrong with that?
Besides, I am also ignoring your lack of intelligence, so consider yourself lucky

[RoadRunner6]

Can you spell Mensa? (such filthy photos, shame on you!)

[GMichael]

And so, it continues.

[Rich-n-Texas]

Which one's Worf?

[Duds]

If LCD is so much cheaper than plasma, how come i can get a 42 inch panasonic plasma that is highly regarded for less than a 37 inch sony lcd?? if you dont believe me, check out best buy. And dont give me the garbage response that the sony is a better tv.

I have been looking for a report I came across on consumer reports,
says that DLP sets have a much higher repair rate, if I ever find it I will
post the link.
what I have been saying is based on one important fact.
You can hand build audio gear, but in the case of video you are pretty much limited by what the mass market chooses.
Except for sir talkys frankenstein project maybe.
In the start you had three types of auto, steam, electric and gas.
Eventually gas won out and the other two died.
TODAY its plasma, LCD, and (dying faster than a fruitfly in sept) DLP.
Heck, I EVEN tried to help you out, suggested one to a friend at work
as a good cheap way to get a large screen, but he wants (like the rest of the world) one that hangs on the wall.
And he's seen burn in on plasma, doesnt matter if the problem is "fixed"
that is not the perception.
LCD is going to be the tech for years, until OLED gets cheap
(if it ever does).
SONY quit with the lcos based RPTV'S, DOESNT that tell you something?
LCD is IT, sorry but that is just the way it is, and we need to be developing that tech, not wasting time on a format that is going
nowhere
In a few years the only place you will be able to buy either a plasma or a DLP is at a garage sale or the want ads, really.
TWO YEARS ago my 37" cost a grand, and was considered "cheap".
A few weeks ago my 42", with 1080p, 3 hdmi, and a lot more features,
was 900$, and economies of scale arent even fully kicked in yet.
I know thats not what you want to hear, but trust me, the people
at TI where you work already know all of this, nothing new to them.
DLP was for the govt, its just like them to pay a ton to develope a
display system that only does greyscale, but TI did a good job of
adapting it to consumer use anyway.
But buddy, it aint FLAT, as a matter of fact despite best efforts,
its still quite bulky, and that isnt important?
It is for one major reason, the WAF (wife acceptance factor).
Women just aint into this hobby like men, and the only reason a lot get a big screen is by convincing the wife that they need one of those new, "cool" flatscreens.
Thats the only reason a lot of men have a large set, looks arent even important to women, fashion is.
Remember doc martins? Army boots? Women wore those ugly things for years.
I remember you posted quite a few times about a major prob with your DLP, where to put the center speaker.
A non issue for a wall hanging set, yeah all of this might seem trivial
compared to all important PQ, but that isnt that much of an issue anymore, what with sets getting better and better.
At Circuit city they had several DLP sets, with nobody looking at them, Couldnt find any anywhere else except at a TV shop that sells
MITSHUBISHI, and thats IT.
And several salesmen told me that LCD was selling better than plasma,
especially when people found out it was more energy efficent, weighed
less, had fewer tech issues, etc, and side by side in a store there really isnt much difference in picture, really, not enough that concerns most.
I love my set, the red-green-blue color temp, and various other things
make for a really great picture.
LCD is the future, and thats it, and that is not what I am saying, its what everybody is voting for in the one true democracy, the market.
Plasma is the only real competitor, and if you want to watch video by shooting 30,000 volts through volatile gas encased in a delicate glass envelope, go right ahead, the only argument for plasma is "pq"
but the only affordable ones are 720p, WHEN MOST lcd IS GOING 1080P.
Admit it, you have watched a buddys new "plasma" for awhile only to
find out later that it is a LCD and "plasma" his generic phrase for a flat screen, you just cant eyeball two sets side by side and tell much difference anymore, I have fooled people several times, its called the placebo effect.
I am not "championing " a certain anything, I just wish electronic companies would quit wasting money on tech that will be in the attic
in a few years

[Duds]

WOW, HOLY SMOKES!!! some salemen told you that lcd was selling better, damn Pixie, that must mean its a better tv!!! I am changing sides now, long live LCD!!! Some salesmen told me this!!!

I have been looking for a report I came across on consumer reports,
says that DLP sets have a much higher repair rate, if I ever find it I will
post the link.
what I have been saying is based on one important fact.
You can hand build audio gear, but in the case of video you are pretty much limited by what the mass market chooses.
Except for sir talkys frankenstein project maybe.
In the start you had three types of auto, steam, electric and gas.
Eventually gas won out and the other two died.
TODAY its plasma, LCD, and (dying faster than a fruitfly in sept) DLP.
Heck, I EVEN tried to help you out, suggested one to a friend at work
as a good cheap way to get a large screen, but he wants (like the rest of the world) one that hangs on the wall.
And he's seen burn in on plasma, doesnt matter if the problem is "fixed"
that is not the perception.
LCD is going to be the tech for years, until OLED gets cheap
(if it ever does).
SONY quit with the lcos based RPTV'S, DOESNT that tell you something?
LCD is IT, sorry but that is just the way it is, and we need to be developing that tech, not wasting time on a format that is going
nowhere
In a few years the only place you will be able to buy either a plasma or a DLP is at a garage sale or the want ads, really.
TWO YEARS ago my 37" cost a grand, and was considered "cheap".
A few weeks ago my 42", with 1080p, 3 hdmi, and a lot more features,
was 900$, and economies of scale arent even fully kicked in yet.
I know thats not what you want to hear, but trust me, the people
at TI where you work already know all of this, nothing new to them.
DLP was for the govt, its just like them to pay a ton to develope a
display system that only does greyscale, but TI did a good job of
adapting it to consumer use anyway.
But buddy, it aint FLAT, as a matter of fact despite best efforts,
its still quite bulky, and that isnt important?
It is for one major reason, the WAF (wife acceptance factor).
Women just aint into this hobby like men, and the only reason a lot get a big screen is by convincing the wife that they need one of those new, "cool" flatscreens.
Thats the only reason a lot of men have a large set, looks arent even important to women, fashion is.
Remember doc martins? Army boots? Women wore those ugly things for years.
I remember you posted quite a few times about a major prob with your DLP, where to put the center speaker.
A non issue for a wall hanging set, yeah all of this might seem trivial
compared to all important PQ, but that isnt that much of an issue anymore, what with sets getting better and better.
At Circuit city they had several DLP sets, with nobody looking at them, Couldnt find any anywhere else except at a TV shop that sells
MITSHUBISHI, and thats IT.
And several salesmen told me that LCD was selling better than plasma,
especially when people found out it was more energy efficent, weighed
less, had fewer tech issues, etc, and side by side in a store there really isnt much difference in picture, really, not enough that concerns most.
I love my set, the red-green-blue color temp, and various other things
make for a really great picture.
LCD is the future, and thats it, and that is not what I am saying, its what everybody is voting for in the one true democracy, the market.
Plasma is the only real competitor, and if you want to watch video by shooting 30,000 volts through volatile gas encased in a delicate glass envelope, go right ahead, the only argument for plasma is "pq"
but the only affordable ones are 720p, WHEN MOST lcd IS GOING 1080P.
Admit it, you have watched a buddys new "plasma" for awhile only to
find out later that it is a LCD and "plasma" his generic phrase for a flat screen, you just cant eyeball two sets side by side and tell much difference anymore, I have fooled people several times, its called the placebo effect.
I am not "championing " a certain anything, I just wish electronic companies would quit wasting money on tech that will be in the attic
in a few years

[GMichael]

If LCD is so much cheaper than plasma, how come i can get a 42 inch panasonic plasma that is highly regarded for less than a 37 inch sony lcd?? if you dont believe me, check out best buy. And dont give me the garbage response that the sony is a better tv.

Here's the thing. It doesn't matter what you say to Pix, no matter how logical it is.
If you point out that Plasma costs more (at some sizes this is true), he'll say that's a good reason to believe that LCD is better. If you point out that LCD costs more (at some other sizes this is true), then he'll say that's a good reason to believe that LCD is better.
It's a wasted argument IMO.

[Duds]

Yeah i know, it's still fun though.

Here's the thing. It doesn't matter what you say to Pix, no matter how logical it is.
If you point out that Plasma costs more (at some sizes this is true), he'll say that's a good reason to believe that LCD is better. If you point out that LCD costs more (at some other sizes this is true), then he'll say that's a good reason to believe that LCD is better.
It's a wasted argument IMO.

[GMichael]

Yeah i know, it's still fun though.

True. And at least he's posting something. It breaks up the deadness around here.

[Rich-n-Texas]

So he's kinda like the undead? Or the anti-dead? Something like that?

[GMichael]

So he's kinda like the undead? Or the anti-dead? Something like that?

Something like that.

[Rich-n-Texas]

I had a feeling was schizoid. Thanks!

[Mr Peabody]

Pix, out of the 3 auto technologies, looking back, did the public make the right decision? Water, nearly free, just think of wear electric cars would be today..... and gas $4.00 a gallon give or take, hmmmmmm

Knock on wood, my Toshiba has been trouble free and the only TV to actually go out on me was a Sony, about the time the factory warranty ran out. I had a Sharp go mostly bad back in the 80's when flat screen 27's were becoming popular. I wish it had of gone all the way out but what it did the picture became twice as dark with no way to fix it. Anyway, all of this is to say don't trash a brand based on one experience. And you can't blame Toshiba for wanting to keep their cash cow "DVD" going. There were actually some very good reasons to support HD-DVD too. So there.