Jobs and Mac say "no thanks" to BluRay

[nightflier]

There is a profound mistrust of the computer industry because of just what you have stated, their free spirit. The film industry believes(and I have heard this too many times to count) that the computer industry does not value its product. So they are not going to beat Apple, Microsoft or any company like them doors down for anything at this point. Sorry, but at least you can continue to dream.

Look, we have a different point of view. I was discussing the topic, and you come in and address me personally. Well, lil't, I guess it just goes to show that you can't be amture enough to discuss anything without insulting. I have said this before, and you deny it, but you turn everyone off. Now I'm not going to address you directly because you don't deserve that kind of consideration.

Now regarding your points, I disagree. I think that the change we've seen the last couple of years in the music industry is a very real possibility for the change we could see in the movie industry. DisplayPort may not be the technology that makes it happen, but that's no indication that it won't. Movies are being comodotized and their value, even in HD with all the add-ons and higher quality sound & video, may just not be worth what we think it is. And regarding the iPod, it also displays video, and although it is often low-quality, not all of it has to be. If we consider that now TVs are coming with iPod docks, I suspect that this is a very fast-changing phenomenon.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Look, we have a different point of view. I was discussing the topic, and you come in and address me personally. Well, lil't, I guess it just goes to show that you can't be amture enough to discuss anything without insulting. I have said this before, and you deny it, but you turn everyone off. Now I'm not going to address you directly because you don't deserve that kind of consideration.

I addressed your comments. You personally are like gum on the bottom of my shoes. I have told you countless times, I do not care one bit about you. You could leave this planet tomorrow, and I will get up, eat breakfast, and go to work as usual. I will however challenge your words when I know they are wrong(which seems like all the time when discussing film and video). Stop taking everything so personally so it does not become personal.

Like I have said before, you are a uneducated fool nightliar. You make up all of these uneducated predictions and analysis, and when called on it, you get defensive and out pops the passive aggressive crap. Just face it, you do not know enough about the film and video industry to make any lame predictions, so you just need to stick with the computer industry.

Now regarding your points, I disagree. I think that the change we've seen the last couple of years in the music industry is a very real possibility for the change we could see in the movie industry.

Once again, you don't know $hit about the film and video industry, so any prediction you make, is a uneducated prediction, which means useless. The music industry was guilty of collusion in trying to keep the price of CD's too high, and they did not pay attention to the demographic that was purchasing their product. If they had, the would have quickly lowered their prices, and they would not be in the mess they are in now. The film and video industry have not done that at all. They have allowed disc prices to fall in a very natural way on the market, and sales of bluray players has jumped 321% over last year, and disc sales nearly double that.

DisplayPort may not be the technology that makes it happen, but that's no indication that it won't.

If it cannot pass the new audio codecs, cannot do 2 way communication, and does not support xvYCC colorspace, then it does not meet the needs of the video industry. There is your indication it won't. The industry has already thrown its support behind HDMI, and they are not going to support a technology they cannot control. Displayport is an open standard connection, and I can guarantee no major film studio is going to allow their movies to travel down a connection that does not support BD+, BD watermark and AACS. There is the other indication it won't. Do you need more indications it won't?

Movies are being comodotized and their value, even in HD with all the add-ons and higher quality sound & video, may just not be worth what we think it is. And regarding the iPod, it also displays video, and although it is often low-quality, not all of it has to be. If we consider that now TVs are coming with iPod docks, I suspect that this is a very fast-changing phenomenon.

Again you are wrong. If movies were comodotized, and do not have the value we think they have, then why are the studio pushing BD+, BD watermark, and AACS down our throats? Why do they have HUGE insurance policies on their film libraries? Because their catalog titles have a huge value to them, and they want it protected from theft. Disney catalog titles are worth hundreds of billions of dollars, so you can hardly call it a product with no assigned economic value. This shows how little you know about the film industry. Stick with computers, you just do not have the education to talk about the business side of the film industry. You are much to ignorant on the issue.

An Ipod screen is so small, what the heck is quality on it? What good would it do to release HD movies when it cannot even support 720x480 on its screen? It isn't even able to provide basic DVD resolution as the screen is too small. TV's with Ipod decks are a marketing gimmick, that so far has seen very little traction in the market. LG released a flatpanel with a Ipod deck, and special software to improve the picture quality. It didn't sell, and was discontinued shortly after it was released to the market. At little dose of reality is in order nightliar. They also have TV's coming out with built in bluray players as well. You are reaching, really reaching in giving the computer industry more power than they really have. As I have said before, after Microsoft's debacle with HD DVD, it will be a long time before the film industry will get cozy with the computer industry, except when they can make money off of them. So far, they see Bluray as the money maker, and downloading as just an alternate source of making small change.

Your ability to do analysis on the film industry has made you look foolish. You said the war between HD DVD and Bluray has left an open for downloading to grow. Didn't happen. Bluray has become a MUCH larger revenue source for the studios, and downloads revenue has been largely flat this year AGAIN!!! So much for that.

Your contentions that Bluray was just going to be a niche product proved wrong about 6 million players, and 10 million bluray discs ago. It is already three times the size of the last niche video product the Laserdisc, and has sold 8 times as many disc in less than three years(laserdisc was twenty years old)

Folks on this website had to read ten pages of this kind of uninformed crap, and not one bit of it came to pass. So if anyone has a poor record of prediction, you wear the dunce cap proudly I am sure.

[E-Stat]

The music industry was guilty of collusion in trying to keep the price of CD's too high, and they did not pay attention to the demographic that was purchasing their product. If they had, the would have quickly lowered their prices, and they would not be in the mess they are in now.

Which is one of the most ironic aspects of the evolving audio story - as opposed to the video story. I would never have thought that the primary source for music purchases would become the $.99 iTunes download with the equivalent video performance of VHS tape running at SLP. Just ponder if that trend extended to films - instead of buying the movie, you chose to purchase individual *popular* scenes.

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[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Which is one of the most ironic aspects of the evolving audio story - as opposed to the video story. I would never have thought that the primary source for music purchases would become the $.99 iTunes download with the equivalent video performance of VHS tape running at SLP. Just ponder if that trend extended to films - instead of buying the movie, you chose to purchase individual *popular* scenes.

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LOLOL. Can you imagine a download of just your favorite scenes. How would you put that in context to the rest of the movie? LOL

[kexodusc]

Which is one of the most ironic aspects of the evolving audio story - as opposed to the video story. I would never have thought that the primary source for music purchases would become the $.99 iTunes download with the equivalent video performance of VHS tape running at SLP. Just ponder if that trend extended to films - instead of buying the movie, you chose to purchase individual *popular* scenes.

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Interesting...I bet many would feel ripped-off an awful lot less if they paid $0.99 just to watch the previews, which are often the best parts of the movie anyway...