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Well you can buy a $4000 Kia, or you can buy a $200,000 Ferrari. Both will get you to the grocery store and back the same exact way, but one does it with more style, has better features, is made better, has better internal parts, and will be around a lot longer.[/QUOTE]
Well if I have the money of course I'll buy the $200,000 Ferrari. However if you're on a limited middle class budget, the $4,000 Kia will do just fine. I think most people on this board, are probably not millionaires & if they are, they can afford to buy whatever their heart pleases and don't need to go to this board to help them make choices in the first place.
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I wonder if MadMax ever got his CD player.
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Originally Posted by paul_pci
I wonder if MadMax ever got his CD player.
Hes probably thinking where a bunch a FREAKS. :p :p :p
Poor Guy !!! :(
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In general, is it better to let the DVD player do the decoding or the receiver. I do realize that if one is leaps and bounds "better" technology wise than the other it would probably be a smart bet to let that one do the decoding, but what if you're dealing with a DVD player and receiver with relatively the same technology of the same brand? Does it even matter at that point?
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Originally Posted by LEAFS264
I'll take that phone call anytime.
Hershon....i've forgotten more about home theater in the last 5 min, than you'll ever know!!
Your a joke and always will be.
Sooner or later the nice people on this board are going to see you for what you really are....a fake and a VERY small little man.
Jay
(your new teacher)
OK OK Your smart. So instead of this,take a breath and just keep explaining it and it will help alot more then doing a your dumb trip. This is a place where we are trying to get it.
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Originally Posted by hershon
Well you can buy a $4000 Kia, or you can buy a $200,000 Ferrari. Both will get you to the grocery store and back the same exact way, but one does it with more style, has better features, is made better, has better internal parts, and will be around a lot longer.
Well if I have the money of course I'll buy the $200,000 Ferrari. However if you're on a limited middle class budget, the $4,000 Kia will do just fine. I think most people on this board, are probably not millionaires & if they are, they can afford to buy whatever their heart pleases and don't need to go to this board to help them make choices in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Give me the Kia anytime. Then its off to Vegas with a cool $196,000.
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Originally Posted by hershon
When I bought my Cambridge Audio Azur C-640 CD Player originally its analogue sound when using relatively expensive RCA diamonback cables was much better than either hearing the Cambridge Audio player through cheap RCA cables or through an Optical connection. However, I sold the Cambridge Audio player because the optical sound of my Harmon Kardon 31 DVD player was as good if not slightly better than the Cambridge Audio's analogue sound.
So according to hershon's listening trials
HK digital out is better than CA audio out
CA audio out is better than CA digital out
While just about every informed person knows that there should be no difference between HK digital out and CA digital out, herson remains convinced there is. I think this is the only post where he's clearly stated what he compared and what he heard. Can't argue with his subjective opinion, insane though it may be. On the plus side, humor value has been pretty good.
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Originally Posted by shokhead
Which means your Marantz has the better dac's?
Is that right? Hard to belive with that moster of a reciever.
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[QUOTE=noddin0ff]So according to hershon's listening trials
"HK digital out is better than CA audio out CA audio out is better than CA digital out
While just about every informed person knows that there should be no difference between HK digital out and CA digital out"
I'm pretty sure (not 100% though) I played just that in front of someone who is respected on this board & he heard the difference as well. So take that for whatever its worth.
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Originally Posted by noddin0ff
So according to hershon's listening trials
"HK digital out is better than CA audio out CA audio out is better than CA digital out
While just about every informed person knows that there should be no difference between HK digital out and CA digital out"
I'm pretty sure (not 100% though) I played just that in front of someone who is respected on this board & he heard the difference as well. So take that for whatever its worth.
If two pairs of ears hear a difference, and you're happy, what it's worth to you is up to you! If you have any doubt, the advice of people on this board can help you conduct more critical listening trials in the future...if you take their often good advice.
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Originally Posted by shokhead
Is that right? Hard to belive with that moster of a reciever.
Still no answer?
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Originally Posted by LEAFS264
Who was it? And why aren't we hearing from him on your behalf?
Yep, your still a joke.
Jay
He's refering to me mister maple leaf. I've posted this before and I'll post it again. The listening trials go something like this: Hershon originally had a JVC DVD/Receiver and then purchased the now infamolus HK DVD player. He plugged the HK digitally into the JVC and did A/B switching on CDs in my presence. Inexplicably, there was a noteable difference between the two playbacks. The HK has a stronger, fuller presence and the JVC did not. As I've related in other threads, neither Hershon nor I can explain a difference that, by definition should not exist. The other listening test was when he got the now infamous Cambridge and by this time he had the Denon 3801. The listening test that I was present for was the Cambridege (analog) vs. the HK (optical). There was a slight difference and we both agreed that it certainly wasn't a $500 difference. Then, the magnamous Hershon let me take this Cambridge player that he already had sold to someone else to my place so I could A/B on my system. My results were similar. The Cambridge (analog) had a cleaner sound than my Sony 300 disc (optical), but strangely enough, it had a leaner and smaller soundstage. I had another friend present for that A/B listening. Again, I agree with Hershon, as did this other friend, that there was a slight difference in sound, but it certainly wasn't a $500 differnce, hence the reselling of the Cambridge. As far as I remember, I didn't hear a A/B of both the HK and Cambridge on digital hook ups because there wasn't enough time, as he had to ship it to the buyer. But, there was a difference as I previously stated between the HK (optical, plugged into the JVC) and the built in player on the JVC, which I cannot account for, because, again, by definition there shouldn't be a difference.
Paul.
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Originally Posted by paul_pci
He's refering to me mister maple leaf. I've posted this before and I'll post it again. The listening trials go something like this: Hershon originally had a JVC DVD/Receiver and then purchased the now infamolus HK DVD player. He plugged the HK digitally into the JVC and did A/B switching on CDs in my presence. Inexplicably, there was a noteable difference between the two playbacks. The HK has a stronger, fuller presence and the JVC did not. As I've related in other threads, neither Hershon nor I can explain a difference that, by definition should not exist. The other listening test was when he got the now infamous Cambridge and by this time he had the Denon 3801. The listening test that I was present for was the Cambridege (analog) vs. the HK (optical). There was a slight difference and we both agreed that it certainly wasn't a $500 difference. Then, the magnamous Hershon let me take this Cambridge player that he already had sold to someone else to my place so I could A/B on my system. My results were similar. The Cambridge (analog) had a cleaner sound than my Sony 300 disc (optical), but strangely enough, it had a leaner and smaller soundstage. I had another friend present for that A/B listening. Again, I agree with Hershon, as did this other friend, that there was a slight difference in sound, but it certainly wasn't a $500 differnce, hence the reselling of the Cambridge. As far as I remember, I didn't hear a A/B of both the HK and Cambridge on digital hook ups because there wasn't enough time, as he had to ship it to the buyer. But, there was a difference as I previously stated between the HK (optical, plugged into the JVC) and the built in player on the JVC, which I cannot account for, because, again, by definition there shouldn't be a difference.
Paul.
Yes, but paul, the JVC is a receiver dvd combo player.....no cables.
You had to plug in the HK player.
Not a good test. There would be some difference in sound.
Jay
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Originally Posted by LEAFS264
Yes, but paul, the JVC is a receiver dvd combo player.....no cables.
You had to plug in the HK player.
Not a good test. There would be some difference in sound.
Jay
No there shouldn't be, theoretically, because the JVC is doing all the processing of the CD's info whether it's in the JVC unit itself or being transported via optical by the HK. Try again.
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Originally Posted by LEAFS264
Yes, but paul, the JVC is a receiver dvd combo player.....no cables.
You had to plug in the HK player.
Not a good test. There would be some difference in sound.
Jay
I'm not so sure. In one theory the built in JVC DVD is sending the digital audio signal to the same DAC that the HK is sending it's digital signal to. Did anyone mention the model # of the JVC unit? What if the JVC DVD component of the hybrid unit ALSO includes a second DAC (as if they just dropped in an entire DVD player along side a A/V receiver. That could make a lot of sense because a lot of those parameters you can set on a stand-alone DVD player for the analog out sound (vocal boost, etc) would have to be built into the features of the receiver component if you removed the JVC DVD's DAC. I'll bet that it's cheaper to put two complete units in the box than to redesign a receiver from scratch. I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that the JVC DVD player has its own DAC and is delivering an analog signal to the JVC Receiver side. The HK is delivering digital to the receiver...hence the difference. Then we can all be right. Hershon won't be as crazy as he seems. Paul keeps his integrity. And we all go home wiser. Any electrical engineer here to look inside the JVC?
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Originally Posted by LEAFS264
What do you mean " try again"
Don't get smart with me kid or you'll get a slap like your man Hershon.
I'm just trying to find a "reason" for this "sound difference" You two seem to be able to notice. Even though the rest of us know your both full of s-h-i-t.
Jay
Hey, Hey, settle down. I feel your pain too, but for the most part you've been including intelligent input with them fighting words...you do need to try again, IMO also.
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No more fighting no more biting!
You guys (Hersh & Leafs) need to cool it for while. You are BOTH TEMPORARILY suspended so that they can cool off a little. Sorry guys, you'll be able to post again in a few days.
Be nice. Carry yourselves like you're all in the same room together, and the person you're debating with is a LOT BIGGER THAN YOU.
-Eric
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Thanks Eric
Although I really hate to see it go this far, I'm glad you stepped in when you did. When threads get this carried away it's just more than a moderator can deal with. I did trim a few of the more "colorful" posts out as soon as I saw them though. Let's hope this is the end of this particular flame war.
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