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    M.P.S.E /AES/SMPTE member Sir Terrence the Terrible's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis View Post
    It never has anything to do with the DVD.
    Might need to turn on dialog norm on the reciever, also
    raising the center channel level is a quike fix.
    Ummmm, you cannot control the dialog norm from a receiver. It is done at the encoding process, and that assigned level is in the metadata instructions that the decoder reads. You cannot turn it off, or control the level of the encoded metadata.

    He says he is listening through his TV speakers, so there is effectively no isolated center channel - it is folded equally into the left and right speakers with its level reduced by 3db.

    And he constantly says he knows more than I do
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    Ummmm, you cannot control the dialog norm from a receiver. It is done at the encoding process, and that assigned level is in the metadata instructions that the decoder reads. You cannot turn it off, or control the level of the encoded metadata.

    He says he is listening through his TV speakers, so there is effectively no isolated center channel - it is folded equally into the left and right speakers with its level reduced by 3db.

    And he constantly says he knows more than I do
    BECAUSE I DO.
    How are you going to change anything about a DVD short of
    an authoring studio in your basement?.
    SO ITS NEVER the DVD, and "dialog norm", while fixed,
    can be turned on or off, depends on the reciever.
    IF OP IS HAVING trouble with all DVD's THEN ITS not THE
    DVD!
    Also I have a similar situation at work with a tv with a built in DVD player. Its got a "fake" surround mode that throws sounds all over the room, so you don't always need to use 2.0 when using TV speakers, depends on your situation.
    Of course the simplest solution for OP is to get a sound bar, the best is to get a HT. THE SPEAKERS in modern tv sets, with the exception of a few, have the main purpose of being unobtrusive ,
    sound quality is secondary. MODERN tv sets are meant to be used with an external sound system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis View Post
    BECAUSE I DO.
    How are you going to change anything about a DVD short of
    an authoring studio in your basement?.
    SO ITS NEVER the DVD, and "dialog norm", while fixed,
    can be turned on or off, depends on the reciever.
    IF OP IS HAVING trouble with all DVD's THEN ITS not THE
    DVD!
    Also I have a similar situation at work with a tv with a built in DVD player. Its got a "fake" surround mode that throws sounds all over the room, so you don't always need to use 2.0 when using TV speakers, depends on your situation.
    Of course the simplest solution for OP is to get a sound bar, the best is to get a HT. THE SPEAKERS in modern tv sets, with the exception of a few, have the main purpose of being unobtrusive ,
    sound quality is secondary. MODERN tv sets are meant to be used with an external sound system.
    What receiver allows you to defeat dialog norm? None fool because dialog norm values are preset at the encoder(I own both DTHD and DTS MA encoders), and Dolby nor DTS allow any consumer based equipment to defeat it. By encoding it within metadata instruction, it put dialog norm out of the reach of any processor or receiver controls.

    Read what the OP says(if you can):

    Why do some DVDs require that you turn your TV volume all the way up? I have a Panasonic DVD player that works fine on most DVDs, but a few require that I turn the volume all the way up. Any thoughts on what could be wrong? Or maybe the DVDs are just bad?

    Why do SOME video's, which means not all. Anyone who owns a bunch of DVD's like I do(and who mixes soundtracks as well) knows that some DVD's are mastered out of spec (like the Scarface DVD), or have a dialog offset lower than the default standard of -27db.

    Read up on Dialog norm so you won't sound so ignorant(again!);

    http://www.dolby.com/uploadedFiles/z...llMetadata.pdf

    Notice these words under dialog level:

    Dialogue level in a properly implemented Dolby Digital decoder can not be defeated

    So as a person who knows more than I do, you should know this.(this is exactly why your claim of superior knowledge is BS.)

    So if the OP is only experiencing this issue on SOME DVD's, then it is the DVD's and not his equipment. If it was his equipment, he would experience this issue on ALL DVD's (got that stupid?)

    It is apparent that critical thinking and problem solving was not taught in the schools you attended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    What receiver allows you to defeat dialog norm? None fool because dialog norm values are preset at the encoder(I own both DTHD and DTS MA encoders), and Dolby nor DTS allow any consumer based equipment to defeat it. By encoding it within metadata instruction, it put dialog norm out of the reach of any processor or receiver controls.

    Read what the OP says(if you can):

    Why do some DVDs require that you turn your TV volume all the way up? I have a Panasonic DVD player that works fine on most DVDs, but a few require that I turn the volume all the way up. Any thoughts on what could be wrong? Or maybe the DVDs are just bad?

    Why do SOME video's, which means not all. Anyone who owns a bunch of DVD's like I do(and who mixes soundtracks as well) knows that some DVD's are mastered out of spec (like the Scarface DVD), or have a dialog offset lower than the default standard of -27db.

    Read up on Dialog norm so you won't sound so ignorant(again!);

    http://www.dolby.com/uploadedFiles/z...llMetadata.pdf

    Notice these words under dialog level:

    Dialogue level in a properly implemented Dolby Digital decoder can not be defeated

    So as a person who knows more than I do, you should know this.(this is exactly why your claim of superior knowledge is BS.)

    So if the OP is only experiencing this issue on SOME DVD's, then it is the DVD's and not his equipment. If it was his equipment, he would experience this issue on ALL DVD's (got that stupid?)

    It is apparent that critical thinking and problem solving was not taught in the schools you attended.
    Too bad you cant attend a school to get a personality.
    I repeat, DVD is never the problem, because you can do nothing about them. Sure some act like they were mastered
    by a rhesus monkey on crack, but nothing you can do about it,
    except adjust your equipment.
    AND IF ITS A CONSTANT problem(like you) then you are set
    up wrong, the DVD's are never the "problem", because you don't focus attention on something you can't fix .
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis View Post
    Too bad you cant attend a school to get a personality.
    If you don't worry about my personality, I won't worry about the fact that you don't know shyt about A/V..okay


    I repeat, DVD is never the problem, because you can do nothing about them. Sure some act like they were mastered
    by a rhesus monkey on crack, but nothing you can do about it,
    except adjust your equipment.
    The DVD CAN be the problem(mastered too low, too high dialog normalization value), but you are right, you have to adjust your equipment around it. This is just like you, a little lie mixed with a little truth.


    AND IF ITS A CONSTANT problem(like you) then you are set
    up wrong, the DVD's are never the "problem", because you don't focus attention on something you can't fix .
    This is where I think your medication is messing with you. You cannot make a statement like "its not the DVD" just because there is nothing you can do about encoding errors. Encoding error do happen on DVD(see the original DTS release of Jurassic Park), and in some cases there is nothing you can do about it other than request a new disc. Not all DVD's are perfect, and anyone that says so, does not know anything about DVD authoring and encoding(and yes Deadpixel, that means you).
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