Anyone want to help a Newbie out? - a/v receivers

[shokhead]

Wow,i'm s shopper and get the best price and have never seen the lowest price at a store.Even open box not as cheap as the internet.

[Rav]

The 2500 is the replacement to the 2400...The 1400/5790 or 1500 should be enough receiver for your needs.
Keep searching, J&R among others are authorized to sell the HTR line via the internet and generally offer good pricing.
Personally, I feel the HTR-5760 and RX-V650/750 are the best values out there today, and probably more than enough for what you are looking to accomplish.
Tons of good a/v receivers out there though...good luck.

Thanks for the confirmation on the 2500 and the advice on the 5760 .. I will check out the HTR line .. up to this point i had only looked at the RX-V series.

Most of the time from what I've seen, authorized online e-tailers will quote the list price, or the prevailing price that you see in retail stores.

This has been my experience as well in looking at the online etailers .. however I will go back and check out what bargain has said about adding the item to the cart and seeing if it makes a difference.

[shokhead]

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[Woochifer]

Wow,i'm s shopper and get the best price and have never seen the lowest price at a store.Even open box not as cheap as the internet.

That's because the lowest prices you see on the internet are offered by unauthorized vendors most of the time. You're not comparing apples to apples, since the authorized unit comes with a factory warranty and assurance that it came directly from the manufacturer, while an unauthorized unit does not come with those assurances.

[shokhead]

For instance. Cheapest i could find a 2805 was $799 at a retail store. Cheapest online was from a place that claimed it was authorized dealer but wasnt,it was 641 shipped. I ended up from a n authorized bstock dealer for $671 shipped.

[Rav]

Sorry to dig this old topic back up ... but I wanted to give an update:

Since all the input I received here I decided to go with the RX-V2400 however after calling around to retail authorized dealers and looking online at the authorized internet dealers I have come to the conclusion that I won't be able to find this anymore.

So I now I am faced with the following:

1) Buy the RX-V1500. I was told the RX-V1500 was the same as the V2400 by one of the stores I talked to. Looking at the comparison charts on yamaha's website I am not sure it is.

2) Spend the extra money to get the RX-V2500. Was told this was again basically the V2400 with a couple upgrades. I really don't want to shell out $1000.

3) Get the HTR-5790. This from all outward appearances is again similar to the V2400 but I don't know much about the differences in the lines. Can someone shed a light on this?

4) Turn my attention to either the Pioneer 1014K or Onyko SR702.

Anyone have a suggestion on a course of action. I guess I could always get the V2400 from an unauthorized dealer but that means no warrenty and I don't think i want to do that either.

Much thanks!

[godfatherofsoul]

Sorry to dig this old topic back up ... but I wanted to give an update:

Since all the input I received here I decided to go with the RX-V2400 however after calling around to retail authorized dealers and looking online at the authorized internet dealers I have come to the conclusion that I won't be able to find this anymore.

So I now I am faced with the following:

1) Buy the RX-V1500. I was told the RX-V1500 was the same as the V2400 by one of the stores I talked to. Looking at the comparison charts on yamaha's website I am not sure it is.

2) Spend the extra money to get the RX-V2500. Was told this was again basically the V2400 with a couple upgrades. I really don't want to shell out $1000.

3) Get the HTR-5790. This from all outward appearances is again similar to the V2400 but I don't know much about the differences in the lines. Can someone shed a light on this?

4) Turn my attention to either the Pioneer 1014K or Onyko SR702.

Anyone have a suggestion on a course of action. I guess I could always get the V2400 from an unauthorized dealer but that means no warrenty and I don't think i want to do that either.

Much thanks!

The 1500 is pretty much the same as the 2400. It has the rs232 port on the back and handles the upconversion (transcoding if you want to get technical) to component but only has two component video inputs and the 2500 has three.
I like Yamaha (I own three) but I do think the Denon 2805 is a better buy than the 1500. This flies in the face of everything I have done in the past, but I sell them both and the best bet to me is the 2805. One BIG difference people overlook is the 2805 comes with a mic for auto-calibration and the 3805 does not. While this may not mean a lot, try explaining to someone why the more expensive piece does not come with a $60 mic!
All are good choices - give one of them a home audition and try it out. Most retailers (mine included) have a 30 day return period and mine even has a 120 day upgrade policy. If a retailer charges a re-stocking fee, go somewhere else.
Cheers

Almost forgot... Yamaha says on their website that their is no difference in "equivalent" HTR and RXV receivers. HTR series is sold through mass retailers like Best Buy and RXV is sold through smaller retailers like Tweeter.

[kexodusc]

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I like Yamaha (I own three) but I do think the Denon 2805 is a better buy than the 1500. .

I'm curious...I've listened to both quite a bit recently and I can't say that one sounded any better than the other (in fact they sounded very similar, a trend in a/v receivers IMO)...they are both very nice sounding a/v receivers with tons of goodies, but I've always seen the 1500 $50 to $100 cheaper, and it has a bigger power supply unit (not that this small difference will even be meaninful), and more sturdy chassis (IMO), and of course Yamaha's quality track record (not that I doubt the quality in the Denon). What about the 2805 do you like that you'd recommend it over the 1500?
Most of the stores I've visited really don't like the 2805 at it's price point at all and don't even carry it, opting for the 3805 instead.

[Rav]

The 1500 is pretty much the same as the 2400. It has the rs232 port on the back and handles the upconversion (transcoding if you want to get technical) to component but only has two component video inputs and the 2500 has three.
I like Yamaha (I own three) but I do think the Denon 2805 is a better buy than the 1500. This flies in the face of everything I have done in the past, but I sell them both and the best bet to me is the 2805. One BIG difference people overlook is the 2805 comes with a mic for auto-calibration and the 3805 does not. While this may not mean a lot, try explaining to someone why the more expensive piece does not come with a $60 mic!
All are good choices - give one of them a home audition and try it out. Most retailers (mine included) have a 30 day return period and mine even has a 120 day upgrade policy. If a retailer charges a re-stocking fee, go somewhere else.
Cheers

Almost forgot... Yamaha says on their website that their is no difference in "equivalent" HTR and RXV receivers. HTR series is sold through mass retailers like Best Buy and RXV is sold through smaller retailers like Tweeter.

Thanks for the info on the yammies. I guess I will turn my attention to either the HTR6790 or the RX-V1500. Anyone know how the Pioneer 1014 and Onyko 702 compare to the 1500 from yamaha?

[Rock789]

I too have recently started looking for a home theater, and have been looking for recievers under $1000...
here is what I have found, I can give you info on the places if you would like (these are all from area stores I have visited):

Denon AVR-2805 $765
Denon AVR-3805 $999
Integra DTR-5.5 $699 (high end onyko I was told) *this is my #2 pick currently
Integra DTR-6.5 $999
NAD T743 $699 *this is my #3 pick currently
NAD T753 $999
Pioneer Elite VSX-52TX $700
Pioneer Elite VSX-54TX $850 *this is my #1 pick currently

I see many people on this site like yamaha, so does one of my friend, but two other friends have had bad luck with yamaha which is why I have not looked at yamaha recievers...

The Integra was the last reciever I looked at, and it was very nice... I may end up going with the DTR-5.5... they had it on a set of klipsch, and they sounded very nice, just a little muddy in the midrange which I am assuming was due to the speakers being brand new and not yet broken in.


I may have missed it, but what speakers are you going to use?
I really like the Focal JMlab Chorus 716 S speakers, but close behind are the Klipsch RF-35 speakers (which I want to hear again after they have been broken in at the local shop)

I hope this helps,
Mike

[Rav]

I too have recently started looking for a home theater, and have been looking for recievers under $1000...
here is what I have found, I can give you info on the places if you would like (these are all from area stores I have visited):

Denon AVR-2805 $765
Denon AVR-3805 $999
Integra DTR-5.5 $699 (high end onyko I was told) *this is my #2 pick currently
Integra DTR-6.5 $999
NAD T743 $699 *this is my #3 pick currently
NAD T753 $999
Pioneer Elite VSX-52TX $700
Pioneer Elite VSX-54TX $850 *this is my #1 pick currently

I see many people on this site like yamaha, so does one of my friend, but two other friends have had bad luck with yamaha which is why I have not looked at yamaha recievers...

The Integra was the last reciever I looked at, and it was very nice... I may end up going with the DTR-5.5... they had it on a set of klipsch, and they sounded very nice, just a little muddy in the midrange which I am assuming was due to the speakers being brand new and not yet broken in.


I may have missed it, but what speakers are you going to use?
I really like the Focal JMlab Chorus 716 S speakers, but close behind are the Klipsch RF-35 speakers (which I want to hear again after they have been broken in at the local shop)

I hope this helps,
Mike

Thanks for the input Mike. I honestly have not even thought about speakers yet. Trying to decide on a receiver has been enough brain overload for me I had seen the Pioneer Elite mentioned a couple of times but I think it may be slightly more than i want to spend. I was hoping to keep it around $600, but more and more I'm begining to wonder if the Yamaha V2500 isn't worth the extra expense. And if that's the case I would have to take a serious look at the Pioneer Elite as well. I really had made up my mind on the RX-V2400 but now Im having a hard time figuring out if the 1500, 2500, or HTR-5790 are even close to the 2400. It's enough to make someone not really familiar with all this have an anurism

[Rock789]

I know what you mean...
I have listened to more speakers than I can remember...

everyone likes different speakers, but here's my fav 5
#1 Focal JMlab Chorus 716 S
#2 Klipsch RF-35
#3 Phase Technology V-12
#4 M&K Sound S-150 THX
#5 Mirage OM-9

let me know what speakers you like when you start looking,
Mike

[godfatherofsoul]

I'm curious...I've listened to both quite a bit recently and I can't say that one sounded any better than the other (in fact they sounded very similar, a trend in a/v receivers IMO)...they are both very nice sounding a/v receivers with tons of goodies, but I've always seen the 1500 $50 to $100 cheaper, and it has a bigger power supply unit (not that this small difference will even be meaninful), and more sturdy chassis (IMO), and of course Yamaha's quality track record (not that I doubt the quality in the Denon). What about the 2805 do you like that you'd recommend it over the 1500?
Most of the stores I've visited really don't like the 2805 at it's price point at all and don't even carry it, opting for the 3805 instead.

Sorry it takes me so long to respond. I'm trying to move...
I work in a retailer with dedicated sound rooms and speakers like Sonus Faber, Polk (LSI and RTI), Mirage and Martin Logan. I spend a few hours a day listening to new demo material and speakers and I have A/B'ed the heck out of the 3805, 2805, the RXV 1500 and the RXV2500. The 2805 seems (IMO) to have a richer sound on all the speakers. The highs are crisp and the lows are powerful. That being said, I know all speakers are different and they are the most important part of your system. But I like to match receivers and speakers. The 2805 seems to go better with all of our speakers and sounds no different than the 3805. The 2805 has the same Burr Brown DACs as the 3805 and only a few less features. I would just spend less to get more for my money.
Don't get me wrong, I love the 3805 but ask your retailers why the it retails for $200 more than the RXV2500. I know they make more money from the 3805 but is it really that much better?
Cheers

[Rav]

Well I think I may go with the V1500 - for all my comparisons to the V2400 it looks like the exact same unit with the exception of the 2400 having S-Video to zone 2 where the 1500 has audio only. The 2400 also seems to have 2 DSP processors and additional IT ports and Trigger Outputs (not sure what these are for). Everything else seems to be identical.

I do have one other thought that I would like your opinions on. Yamaha's warrenty on it's receivers is 2 years. Some of the "unauthorized" internet sites that sell these receivers also sell extended warrenties through 3rd party vendors for around 60-90 dollars for 2 years. Even with adding this in to the price of the receiver it would still be 100-150 less than most retail stores I have seen.

My question is ... what would your opinions be on saving the extra money and getting a 2 year warrenty through a 3rd party place rather than buying at an authorized location and getting the 2 year standard yamaha warrenty?

[Rock789]

Make sure this 2 year warrenty you purchase will cover firmware updates if the reciever you get can be upgraded.