Any bad experiences with Pana 50PX77U??

[kexodusc]

You misunderstand me,as for as features and audiophile quality

Nope, heard you loud and clear. If you polled people here on Panasonic vs. Denon or Yamaha in terms reliability and quality, Panny would fall short by comparison. Not because they're bad, but because Denon and Yamaha are just better. I've never heard Pansonic touted as a leader reliability within the audio industry. Haven't heard their praises sung when talking about displays either. They're consistently good, don't get me wrong, just not the recognized leader (like Toyota).

If I had to pick an analogy to Toyota, it'd be Yamaha. While not perfect, they are known in as aruably the tend setter in terms of product reliability. That's their schtick. If you search old enough posts of mine back around 2003 or early 2004 you'll find threads where I talk about my visits to various hi-fi shops talking to the repair men asking them their thoughts. To a man, they all agreed Yamaha had some take it or leave it features, but nobody touched them for quality in the entry/mid level stuff. (Now, as you start going up the ladder and run into names like Bryston and PS Audio, things change, but that's not the scope of this discussion).

Our own dearly departed ar.com member Woodman was a technician for years and long touted the reliability of Yamaha. I trust the guys who work with these things everyday more than the anecdotal consumer review. They squeak out a few lemons too, but overall, they're the standard in the entry/mid-level audio area. They don't make TV's to my knowledge though.

Panasonic (parent company spelled M-a-t-s-u-s-h-i-t-a, btw - damn web sensor ) is probably among the largest, and I'd believe could be the quality leader for large, comprehensive home electronics manufuacturers, but the saying "jack-of-all trades, and master of none" sums them up well. Inside the audio, or display markets, they're definitely not #1.

Not that you have to be #1. As I said, sometimes the differences between the best and worst in the reliability category aren't as much as we'd expect.

[pixelthis]

You're comparing apples to oranges when you compare highend audio (or mid range audio) like denon and yammy to a major player like panasonic, who basically make a little of everything.
My yamaha receiver broke, a bad capacitor in the digital board, and a cd player of theirs
had bad tracking problems.
Now I had a top of the line denon in the early eighties, 600$ , 75 wpc (two channels)
and rosewood sidepanels, reeall great but at 1800 in todays dollars it should have been
Everybody who dabbles in this stuff knows that panny has a rep for quality, and comparing them to a couple of audio companies with a limited range of products is really
not accurate
If you had any idea of just how much stuff you have that is basically panny you're eyes would pop

[kexodusc]

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Everybody who dabbles in this stuff knows that panny has a rep for quality, and comparing them to a couple of audio companies with a limited range of products is really
not accurate
If you had any idea of just how much stuff you have that is basically panny you're eyes would pop

I do far more than "dabble" in this stuff, and I'm well aware of how large Matsu****a is. Please keep the attitude to a minimum.

Panasonic is comprehensive manufacturer, but they compete against Denon, Yamaha, Maytag, and Hitachi, with their products. Just because there's only a few other companies that deal in as many markets as Panny doesn't mean we can ignore the ones who choose to focus on smaller markets.
I never disputed Panasonic's quality "for a big company", just the fact they're synonymous with Toyota. I'm not sure Panasonic sells a product where they'd be named #1 in quality. Can't think of any. Toyota does.

[pixelthis]

I do far more than "dabble" in this stuff, and I'm well aware of how large Matsu****a is. Please keep the attitude to a minimum.

Panasonic is comprehensive manufacturer, but they compete against Denon, Yamaha, Maytag, and Hitachi, with their products. Just because there's only a few other companies that deal in as many markets as Panny doesn't mean we can ignore the ones who choose to focus on smaller markets.
I never disputed Panasonic's quality "for a big company", just the fact they're synonymous with Toyota. I'm not sure Panasonic sells a product where they'd be named #1 in quality. Can't think of any. Toyota does.

Televisions and DVD players, panny makes pretty much indestructible ones.
I am afraid you keep misunderstanding me, I think most toyota products are boring, plain
utilitarian lumps, even their "sporty" stuff, but they are really bulletproof.
Same for panny, when I want something that will last I buy panasonic
I am only talking about longevity and durability, other aspects of a product are something else

[kexodusc]

Televisions and DVD players, panny makes pretty much indestructible ones.
I am afraid you keep misunderstanding me, I think most toyota products are boring, plain
utilitarian lumps, even their "sporty" stuff, but they are really bulletproof.
Same for panny, when I want something that will last I buy panasonic
I am only talking about longevity and durability, other aspects of a product are something else

Nope, and again, I understand you fine.

I just can't point to any one product market and say Panasonic is the reliability/quality/durability leader...they're not. I'm not considering the likes of Krell and other esoteric mega-dollar brands either. Just the mass market ones. Panny's good, but they're no Toyota.

[GMichael]

Maybe we could call Panny the Mazda of electronics?

[pixelthis]

Maybe we could call Panny the Mazda of electronics?

Mazdas better than toy yoda
Penguin guy is spouting some dry facts and figures he googled up somewhere, I am talking about four decades of experience with panny and tecnics products, not just mine but friends and relatives
So I guess we will just have to agre to disagree (if we can agree on that)