Why no pictures????

[PeruvianSkies]

...we can follow this...I don't post pics because in addition to a lack of certain required, but IMO non-essential gadgetry, I chose not to...My response to PS (in respone to his generalized inquiry) gave reasons why some (keep in mind his post gave the impression of a generalized inquiry, there is a reason why I stress this, but read on MacDuff)....and not just myself, might not be able to do so...Bada-bing,,,bada-boom, finito...

Then...as if in some "AHAH!" moment, PS responds, in a way less generalized manner:



Firstly, I'm not making excuses...an excuse gives the impression that I must seek some sort of absolution for my Luddite "transgressions"...Again, at this point, I am responding to PS and his generalized (there's that word again) inquiry as to why folks don't or won't post...Prior generalities then become specific...The part that stews my prunes is the absolute astonishment...no, no, make that hubris on his part that someone might not own a cell-phone, particularly with pic cabability...to which I responded in kind with:



I didn't bring up cell-phones...but I sure did respond...Finito redux...

Now for your response...I have no problem with gadgetry...I don't find people who spend their lives at The Sharper Image and like places, buying like wares, annoying...I find folks who have not one wit of common courtesy and/or impinge on innocent bystanders annoying...there's a reason there used to be telephone booths...nobody wants to hear your lame-o commuiques...or your screamin' rugrats (get a sitter)...lessee where that'll go...

Once in a while I find some of the pics of the more esoteric gear, a, er...interesting...Never ending sigs or photos? Well, folks do what they do...Not my cuppa' gov...reminds me of jewelry and horrific amounts of perfume, ostentatious, useless affectation, since much of it is contrived and deliberate. It exhibits itself in the guise of posessions being indicative of some higher level of expertise or somesuch. NOT! Just my POV...Took issue with the egoist ramifications of elaborate sigs w/TtT and others, much like I took issue with JR and his endless "links" most of which were of his own self-promoting device...it's what I do...somebody has to...my raison d'etre...my conceptual continuity...Oh yeah, most do it because they wanna' share...mea culpa...[/I]mea maxima culpa[/I]...(if you're Catholic and of a certain age, you know those phrases).

BTW, I never called anyone yuppy...didn't that term die when "Thirtysomething" passed on?

With regard to your last paragraph, yeah, that's about right...Would that be in a Caddy or Lincoln pick-up? Do you think "high occupancy lane" is really English for auotbahn?

jimHJJ(...sarcasm makes my venom more palatable???...I'll hafta' work on that...BTW, I'm tradin' all my gear for mtrycrafts' boombox, retrofitted with solid silver speaker wires...)

It's nearly impossible to understand this jibberish. Not because we are uneducated and can't comprehend your use of complex words and phrases or different languages, but because you say alot and mean very little. What exactly are you trying to say?

It seems to be that you get a little excited over any reason to debate and when you feel attacked, you get defensive. I could care less if you agree with my opinion about posting pictures. I think that most people are in agreement that pictures do serve a purpose and those who cannot back their blabbering are usually the ones to get the most defensive.

You talk on and on and on about your "EXPERIENCE" and yadda yadda yadda, but experience is not everything. It helps, but that's only dependant upon the quality of that experience. I know people that have 30 years experience playing guitar, but are easily blown away by 13 year old kids who have only been playing a few months. That's called talent, raw talent. Some people also have natural talent when it comes to audio as well. They are able to hear and notice things differently and also dedicate more time and energy into perfecting the craft and the ongoing pursuit of achieving better sound reproduction.

You claim that you are not posting pictures because of two reasons: you are not interested in doing so and you don't have the necessary means to do so. Fine. Move on then. Leave this thread alone and let those who have something important to say, since this thread no longer pertains to you. You know people like me and my GENERALIZATIONS.

[E-Stat]

question, do planar speakers have a capacitive load?

I believe only the electrostatic planars have a significant capacitive component. Ribbon and magnetically based planar flavors like Apogees and Magneplanars offer a nearly resistive load and are easier to drive in that regard. The Apogees, however, with their extremely low impedance offer a different challenge.

rw

[Rock789]

I believe only the electrostatic planars have a significant capacitive component. Ribbon and magnetically based planar flavors like Apogees and Magneplanars offer a nearly resistive load and are easier to drive in that regard. The Apogees, however, with their extremely low impedance offer a different challenge.

rw

cool
thanks for the info ;o)

[Resident Loser]

It's nearly impossible to understand...people like me and my GENERALIZATIONS.

...been much easier to understand at the outset, as some posters did. However, you seem to be addressing my posts to SB and he to references to you, further muddying the waters...The linearity is quite simple and easy to follow actually...but let's reduce it even further...

Some do...

Some don't (post pics, that is)...

Some chose not to for various personal reasons...

Some chose not to for lack of proper hardware etc...

I do not on account of both...

Some people don't have cell-phones...Why this is a foreign concept to you is amusing...There are still folks who prefer a manual transmission...

Some who do have them (cell-phones, that is) don't have pic facilities...

Posting of gear pics does not equate to having or not having the abilities to answer audio-related questions correctly...

You only have yourself and your earlier lack of pereception to blame for drawing me further into this thread, which BTW has moved away from the color of Easter eggs and now evolved into a Q&A re: design vs. sound quality and various types of planar drivers...and has very little to do with either one of us...

jimHJJ(...or hadn't you noticed?...)

[PeruvianSkies]

Resident Loser...

We are not able to understand what you are saying for the simple fact that you are beyond comprehension in most cases. It has nothing to do with semantics or linearity...it simply has to do with the fact that you say alot, yet say very little. You try to be witty and make points, but it's so clouded in obscurity that it's rediculous. You quickly became defensive to the original post because it pertains to yourself...you are a highly active member of this site with loads and loads of opinions, but you do not have any pictures posted. This does not necessarily indicate that you are unable to or that you do not have the equipment or experience to assist others. Your reasons for NOT posting are legit. You have no means to do so, ok fine. Like I said before...move on then. If you have nothing else to offer to this particular thread than move on. However, you simply do not move on from matters of debate and stick around just to get people worked up by your offensive attacks and your sarcasm and cynicism.

For many of us we like posting pictures because we love this hobby and just like someone who is ...a car collector...they have pictures of their cars. If this was a car website that was dedicated to custom cars or classic cars...don't you think that people would want to see pictures? Of course. Pictures help tell the story. It also shows accomplishment/achievement and in many cases it gives credibility to the owner. Usually with any hobby there are people who don't know anything about it (newbies) who are willing to admit that they are in NEED of advice. There are then the opposite who feel that they know EVERYTHING based on certain experience and are never wrong. It would appear that you are one of those...however, the only thing that you have right based on what I have seen here at this site over the course of time is your username....you truly are the RESIDENT LOSER of this site.

[E-Stat]

I might actually have to perform some work with this thread. So there is a difference of opinion. Big deal.

It does seem that the original question has pretty much run its course with a range of different responses.

rw

[powerlord]

Here's a new response,I posted my pics not only to brag about the gear I had bought,but maybe to see if I would get any comments on my setup(which I didn't).I am extremely proud of my gear and how I got it,if I could I would have everyone over on this forum to listen to my setup,I think our hobby among others is a competitive one and I have no problem with that.Posting pics to me is bringing all my AV friends into my house and showing off my gear.I love looking at the pics on this forum and i think everyone should try and post pics,it becomes more personal that way.If you move your system around,take pics,I'm interested in how it looks now,if you add a piece let the film roll!

[E-Stat]

Here's a new response,I posted my pics not only to brag about the gear I had bought,but maybe to see if I would get any comments on my setup(which I didn't).

You're right!

Nice gear, but the cabinet offers some challenges. Ideally, the center channel would be lower. I'm not sure how you can improve upon your current position given the rack design. On the other hand, I would recommend putting some free space between the mains and the cabinet and pulling them a bit forward of the screen. Otherwise, it becomes an extended baffle of the speakers. While that is intended for the small internal speaker, your mains are designed to be in free space. Baffling them changes the tonal balance and the image will suffer. Speak while putting your hands flat against the side of your face just outside your mouth to illustrate my point.

rw

[powerlord]

Thanks E-Stat,I know my room situation is a mess!LOL! One of these days i'm going to have enough room for a dedicated,until then all I can say is SATURATION!I haven't looked at yours yet,so i'll go to your gallery now.

[powerlord]

Damn E,are those speakers big enough?I thought mine were on the large size,what are they?The only speakers I've seen that big were in Florians gallery.

[givendale]

Some where along the line, I think it was the 2nd or 3rd post some people lost the thread of the thread.

I also posted a pic to see if I would get any comments. As with powerlord I got none.

After that I thought I would sit back and watch the s**t-fight develop, it's been a good one so far.

It's a fun hobby that not everyone appreciates, too busy trying to work out how to get their iPods to work.

Sometimes raw debate is good but skilful discussion and dilogue are always better a much more interesting to follow.

[E-Stat]

Damn E,are those speakers big enough?

They are Sound LAB U-1 electrostats. They are large simply because it takes lots of "sandwich wrap" to produce first octave bass. Unlike the big Apogees, however, they are not capable of 120 db levels with the power I have. I tend to listen in the 70s and 80s with peaks no more than about 90 db. They are low level resolution champs.

I just added a pic of the HT system. NAD T763 receiver, Polk RTi-35 mains, Polk center, Eosone powered subs, Radio Shack rears, Samsung DLP.

rw

[Feanor]

They are Sound LAB U-1 electrostats. They are large simply because it takes lots of "sandwich wrap" to produce first octave bass. Unlike the big Apogees, however, they are not capable of 120 db levels with the power I have. I tend to listen in the 70s and 80s with peaks no more than about 90 db. They are low level resolution champs.

I just added a pic of the HT system. NAD T763 receiver, Polk RTi-35 mains, Polk center, Eosone powered subs, Radio Shack rears, Samsung DLP.

rw

I'm eating my heart out for a pair of those, but it will never happen.

[Rock789]

They are Sound LAB U-1 electrostats. They are large simply because it takes lots of "sandwich wrap" to produce first octave bass. Unlike the big Apogees, however, they are not capable of 120 db levels with the power I have. I tend to listen in the 70s and 80s with peaks no more than about 90 db. They are low level resolution champs.

I just added a pic of the HT system. NAD T763 receiver, Polk RTi-35 mains, Polk center, Eosone powered subs, Radio Shack rears, Samsung DLP.

rw

look very nice!
outta my pricerange though :rofl:

[powerlord]

They are Sound LAB U-1 electrostats. They are large simply because it takes lots of "sandwich wrap" to produce first octave bass. Unlike the big Apogees, however, they are not capable of 120 db levels with the power I have. I tend to listen in the 70s and 80s with peaks no more than about 90 db. They are low level resolution champs.

I just added a pic of the HT system. NAD T763 receiver, Polk RTi-35 mains, Polk center, Eosone powered subs, Radio Shack rears, Samsung DLP.

rw

Hey E,I know those subs!I'll have to upgrade my pics,I added an RSP912 to my Eosone system recently.Can't say that I'm too impressed with it,it just doesn't seem to get real low.The infinity I had in the pics went to that feeling in the gut low that i like,but at high volume you could easily hear it bottom out.This might be to personal,but what price range are those sound labs in?

[E-Stat]

Hey E,I know those subs!I'll have to upgrade my pics,I added an RSP912 to my Eosone system recently.Can't say that I'm too impressed with it,it just doesn't seem to get real low.

In my room, they're good to about 35 hz or so which is about where the port is tuned. Indeed they have little response below that. My objective was to fill the gap in the Polk's low end response and take the power load off them. With the subs set to provide a flat response, the NAD receiver clips into the mains (100 watts all channels driven) before the subs run out of steam. Perfectly adequate for me. A reviewer friend of mine, however, has a rather outrageous HT / multichannel system. EMM Labs SACD transport / DAC, Toshiba HD player, Conrad-Johnson MET preamp, Krell Processor, Edge multichannel amp, Magneplanar MG 20.1 fronts, a pair of MMGC centers, MG 3.6 rears, four Alon Thunderbolt subs, Sony projector, 100" screen, and Nordost Valhalla cabling throughout along with a Thor power conditioner. It's a fun system to experience.

This might be to personal,but what price range are those sound labs in?

Let's just say a bunch. I bought them used, but they were shipped to me directly from the factory where they had been refurbished with new cores and updated backplates. I paid about two thirds list for them. I suspect those will be my last speakers as they meet my every need. I drive them with a pair of VTL MB 450 amps with a GamuT CD-1 through DACT attenuators. For vinyl, I use an Audio Reseach SP-9 MK III preamp, VPI Scout, Souther TQ-1 arm, and Dynavector DV-20 cartridge. JPS Labs and Harmonic Technology cabling. Previously, I used Acoustat 2+2s which lasted me for over twenty years. I bought my first full range electrostats, the Acoustat X, in 1977.

To tell you the truth, I most likely spend the greatest amount of time listening to my vintage garage system using tweaked double New Advents. I rebuilt the crossovers, replaced the wiring, and put foam rings around the tweeters to minimize cabinet diffraction. The components are largely hand-me-downs from the main system and the system is equally minimalistic. I use a Pioneer PD-54 CD transport, Manley Sigma DAC with tube output directly into a Threshold Stasis 3 amp. For vinyl, I use a table I purchased when I was 17 that still runs great. It's an Ariston RD-11s (precursor to the Linn Sondek LP-12), with SME 3009 II arm, Shure M97E cartridge into a new Rolls Bellari VP-129 phono pre. I use JPS Labs / DH Labs interconnects and separate runs of Philips 14 gauge speaker wire to the Advents. While not offering the Nth degree of transparency and focus of the 'stats, they nevertheless present a very natural sound with a realistic sized image that also excels at low levels. I spend a lot of time in the garage puttering with the cars and bike and working on projects.

rw

[powerlord]

I don't see many people using Eosone,which is kind of weird to me after reading who their designer was and how they came about.I like the garage setup,being a garage man myself.I'm getting a real urge to make the garage into a dedicated HT though.I bought a sub for my HT a while back on the advice someone gave me here on the forum,it was a Dayton 15" Titan that just overpowered my room so much even turned down that i returned it.I'm still looking for a smaller sub that will go deep,any suggestions?

[GMichael]

I don't see many people using Eosone,which is kind of weird to me after reading who their designer was and how they came about.I like the garage setup,being a garage man myself.I'm getting a real urge to make the garage into a dedicated HT though.I bought a sub for my HT a while back on the advice someone gave me here on the forum,it was a Dayton 15" Titan that just overpowered my room so much even turned down that i returned it.I'm still looking for a smaller sub that will go deep,any suggestions?

Sorry that that sub didn't work out for you. Have you tried contacting SVS? They may have suggestions for your room size etc.

[E-Stat]

I don't see many people using Eosone,which is kind of weird to me after reading who their designer was and how they came about.

I have three of the powered subs (in two video systems) that have been utterly reliable for years. Indeed Polk is a quality supplier and Arnie Nudell certainly knows a thing or two about speaker design.

I bought a sub for my HT a while back on the advice someone gave me here on the forum,it was a Dayton 15" Titan that just overpowered my room so much even turned down that i returned it.I'm still looking for a smaller sub that will go deep,any suggestions?

Perhaps you might start a new thread in speakers or HT to get other's reactions. I find matching subs to mains is still a black art with lots of variables. I've spent a great deal of time trying to optimize sub placement, low pass crossover frequency, gain, and HT receiver high pass settings to the mains.

Ironically, the challenge in my system is trying to flatten out a 5 db trough centered around 90 hz and a 2 db peak around 160 hz. Since the HT is in the family room, I don't have the luxury of placing a bunch of bass traps in there.

rw

[powerlord]

Sorry that that sub didn't work out for you. Have you tried contacting SVS? They may have suggestions for your room size etc.

No problem G,that sub was sweet,and If I had the room it would still be here,I have a chance at an SVS 20-39 and that is what SVS told me would be good for my room,so I might buy it.Your advice was great and the Dayton is a monster.

[Resident Loser]

...Ironically, the challenge in my system is trying to flatten out a 5 db trough centered around 90 hz and a 2 db peak around 160 hz. Since the HT is in the family room, I don't have the luxury of placing a bunch of bass traps in there.

...I suggest equalization? Not certain if there is a parametric that would handle the less than an octave difference in center freqs, but somebody out there makes a bass-region graphic that may do the trick...might even be SVS...

I'll take a guess that the discontinuity of being down 5dB@90hz is what makes that +2dB@160hz even noticeable...

jimHJJ(...like I said, a guess...)

ADDENDUM :http://www.hometheateraudiocontrol.c...16158&l2=16463

If it's of any consequence, I have an one-octave graphic from Audio Control I use for my rears...and I've used it for years... they're reasonbly priced as I recall and made in the USA...

[E-Stat]

...I suggest equalization? Not certain if there is a parametric that would handle the less than an octave difference in center freqs, but somebody out there makes a bass-region graphic that may do the trick...might even be SVS.

Thanks for the suggstion but I've tried that route. I have a third octave Behringer unit, but it creates a ground loop when in the system. Not to mention I really don't have a good place to put it. Maybe I'll try to wrestle the hum problem down. I'm not a big believer in using cheater plugs.

rw

[Resident Loser]

Thanks for the suggstion but I've tried that route. I have a third octave Behringer unit, but it creates a ground loop when in the system. Not to mention I really don't have a good place to put it. Maybe I'll try to wrestle the hum problem down. I'm not a big believer in using cheater plugs.

rw

...tried a better power cord?

jimHJJ(...sorry, I couldn't resist...)