why do people like 2.0 channel so much???

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

When I go to a live presentation, the performers are in front of me...unless of course I'm facing the bar...As to the rest of your paragraph...again, I have no problem with trying to provide a "you-are-there" simulation. Why do you keep arguing against an non-argument?

The argument boils down to your rather narrow view of what constitutes a mix. You think there is only one way to do it, my experience teaches me that you are plain wrong. Simple as that. Your perspective is based only on live events, but recording audio extends well beyond that.

Oh, puh-leese...give it a rest...my opinion is just as valid as yours...you keep repeating things about my "...uneducted musing..." or being of "... old school, with an old mind..." or that I am somehow "...stuck in the past, and unwilling to move foward..." why is that? Feel threatened? Haven't any facts to back up any of your feeble arguments? Does your own sense of worth require that you to resort to some asinine assassination attempt in order to somehow "discredit" my opinion?

Why should I feel threatened by somebody who listens to music on a mono system? Or a person who has very limited multichannel listening experience(and doesn't even have a multichannel system) talking multichannel as if he were an expert on the subject. Mono is not even yesterday, it was last century. As far as facts go, I have presented enough just in this thread alone to write a book, just adjust those bi-focals and read.

I don't have to discredit your opinion, you did a great job of that all by yourself. My sense of self worth is not apart of this topic. Your continued spinning is making me dizzy.

I'm sorry, are you familiar with the definition of the word "manipulation"? You could look it up...and BTW, when your spelling and grammar improve, you may have cause to comment on MY choice of words...until then, kindly keep your comments to yourself.

VERY familar online trick. When you have no facts to present, you attack grammar and spelling. This isn't about grammar or spelling. Stick to the topic and give the spin a rest.

No need to look it up manipulation, I know exactly what it means. It doesn't apply to this topic at all, because that is not what audio engineers do. This word may work to forward your "record company trying to fool the consumers" theory, but in reality(where you have a problem living) it doesn't apply to mixing at all

Well, there you go again...and while you're at it, tell us all about those Niagra recorders...

jimHJJ(...do tell...)

I would prefer that you talk about your great mono audio system. Must be state of the art!

[Resident Loser]

The argument boils down to your rather narrow view of what constitutes a mix. You think there is only one way to do it, my experience teaches me that you are plain wrong. Simple as that. Your perspective is based only on live events, but recording audio extends well beyond that.

Still beating the dead horse argument-wise, eh?

Why should I feel threatened by somebody who listens to music on a mono system? Or a person who has very limited multichannel listening experience(and doesn't even have a multichannel system) talking multichannel as if he were an expert on the subject. Mono is not even yesterday, it was last century. As far as facts go, I have presented enough just in this thread alone to write a book, just adjust those bi-focals and read.

Did I say I listen to a mono system? A little reading comprhension seems in order here...I said "I can" drop a 78 on my Heathkit/BSR changer with a crystal cart and feed it through my old SONY AM/FM/WB portable...the gist being the performance transcends the medium...still don't get it? That poor horse...a book...A BOOK...sorry books require many pages and paper a bit larger than the fortune in a cookie.

I don't have to discredit your opinion

And yet to seem to relish the attempt at doing so...

My sense of self worth is not apart of this topic

Oh, but it is...

Your continued spinning is making me dizzy

It's your own pirouette that's responsible for that...

VERY familar online trick. When you have no facts to present, you attack grammar and spelling. This isn't about grammar or spelling.

Nor is it about my poor choice of words...is it now? just a little tit-for-tat TtT...I seem to recall something earlier about dishing things out...

No need to look it up manipulation, I know exactly what it means. It doesn't apply to this topic at all, because that is not what audio engineers do. This word may work to forward your "record company trying to fool the consumers" theory, but in reality(where you have a problem living) it doesn't apply to mixing at all

And just what do engineers do? Run a locomotive? Sit behind stacks of papers with a slide-rule...err, scientific calculator? Take some entity and change it to somehow fit a prescribed requirement? May not be using ones hands to beat a piece of iron into shape, but it's still "manipulation" in every sense of the word.

I would prefer that you talk about your great mono audio system. Must be state of the art!

Wish I actually had one, a nice Rek-O-Kut with a Pickering cart and some 16" transcriptions, a Wollensak or Ampex deck, a Fisher, EICO or Marantz front-end and a MAC or Scott amp powering a built-in infinite baffle with some E-V drivers...maybe wire in the old DuMont...but alas, I don't...so drag that horse back to the stable and let's concentrate on those Niagra recorders, shall we?

jimHJJ(...slowly I turned...)