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Sexually transmitted disease is prevelent in the porno industry..
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Originally Posted by O'Shag
If only you knew how much sexually transmitted disease is rampant in the porno industry, and the type of scumbags that run it. But what those people who run that industry want you to believe is that it is a mainstream 'clean' business - a supposition made easier by the easy access of porn on satellite and cable TV. It is not a clean and wholesome business at all. It is full of drugs, disease, and abuse of all sorts. You may chose to believe otherwise if you wish, but such is the truth.
Like any industry, there is always a dark side. While I'm not going to disagree with your post, I think that the adult industry has gone to greater lengths to help their workers than people belive.
And as participants of the industry become more popular, I think that they enjoy more "protections" than newbies.
Certainly a Jenna Jameson has much more latitude to decide who and what to do, but someone new, not so much. The big studios also do have some legal obligations for their talent. Smaller studios more than likely hire "contractors" versus have employees.
Porn isn't pretty, nice, or "fun". It's a job, and for some its a career. If you don't like it, you don't have too. And if anyone seriously cosiders it a reflection of how "love" works, thats just foolish.
But to somehow pretend that the participants are all 'unwilling' or somehow abused into performing is equally stupid. It pays big money, and takes a big toll on people. Police work is also difficult, as is any health related field. For that matter, any job in social service has got to wear you down. I can't imagine that working porn is any more difficult than say, investigating child abuse for a living.
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I don't think you can compare bonking in front of a camera to being a policeman/women. Any simpleton can bonk. I can bonk for 4 hours straight and I don't need any stimulant. But so can almost everyone in reasonable health. Its a little more challenging I would think, to be a policeman. Its amazing the sort of risks people will take when drugs are involved and when some money is flashed (and which often is not paid by the way). Porno 'actors', contrary to the glamorous image you see on you cable/sat channels, and which you have clearly bought into, are not financially successful people. They are often very troubled individuals that are in some ways socially mal-adjusted, and have been sucked in to the lifestyle with often dire results. But the 'actors' are not where the problem originates. The really nasty part of the industry is the part you don't see - those that run it. The problem is growing, and each person has to be responsible to assess the quality of such a decision to support such an industry through subscription. I do not., because I don't like what the porno industry represents, and I don't like how it is affecting the moral character of our nation, in particular, our children.
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Originally Posted by O'Shag
I don't think you can compare bonking in front of a camera to being a policeman/women. Any simpleton can bonk. I can bonk for 4 hours and I don't need any stimulant. But so can almost everyone. Its a little more challenging I would think, to be a policeman. Its amazing the sort of risks people will take when drugs are involved and when some money is flashed (and which often is not paid by the way). Porno 'actors', contrary to the glamorous image you see on you cable/sat channels, are not financially successful people. They are often very troubled individuals that have been sucked in to the lifestyle. But the 'actors' are meaningless.
1st. I wasn't comparing the two jobs per se, but rather showcasing 2 jobs that are very hard on people (mentally). Many officers struggle with cases they can't/couldn't solve, terrible accident scenes, people that have committed suicide and other tragic issues.
2nd. It's pretty big talk on your part about being able to perform on film. Have you ever engaged in sex on film before? Remember now, your going to have sex with a partner you don't get to pick. And then you have some dude putting a camera near your junk, and yelling "move left, move right etc". And you have the hot lights, and about 20 other people milling around gawking at you. Its not like your "bonking" the girlfriend at home under the sheets. I think that the people that are involved in porn are there because they can.
People do all sorts of stupid things when high, or drunk. I've never been high before (or will be), but have done my share of drinking. Not once while drinking have I thought "Damn, I ought to be in porn!". Point being, those folks would be high, porn or not. I don't think you can simply equate drug/alcohol use with involvement in porn. If you can do it, post up a link.
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Originally Posted by O'Shag
I don't think you can compare bonking in front of a camera to being a policeman/women. Any simpleton can bonk. I can bonk for 4 hours straight and I don't need any stimulant. But so can almost everyone in reasonable health. Its a little more challenging I would think, to be a policeman. Its amazing the sort of risks people will take when drugs are involved and when some money is flashed (and which often is not paid by the way). Porno 'actors', contrary to the glamorous image you see on you cable/sat channels, are not financially successful people. They are often very troubled individuals that have been sucked in to the lifestyle with often dire results. But the 'actors' are not where the problem originates. The really nasty part of the industry is the part you don't see - those that run it.
Money corrupts, and the porn industry brings in a lot of money. I'm sure that new comers are pressured into doing all kinds of things things they don't really want to do, under the threat of "you'll never get anywhere if you don't."
The testing is at least a good start.
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Originally Posted by O'Shag
. I do not., because I don't like what the porno industry represents, and I don't like how it is affecting the moral character of our nation, in particular, our children.
Then I strongly suggest you stop watching porn, and certainly don't allow your children to watch it.
That has got to be one of the lamest arguements I've heard in a while (yeah that was a pun). "DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN". Please. I don't let my kids drink, smoke, or watch movies over PG. But if I want to watch a porno with my wife after dark with the door closed, who are you to judge me?
I don't want my kids to do lots of objectionable things. I don't want them to go to an organized religion that teaches intolorance. Lots do. How many times have you seen those loonies from Kansas on TV protesting at the funeral of soldiers killed in action? The "God Hates ***s" folks? And your telling me that PORN is killing the moral fabric of this country? Gimme a break.
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Heh Groundbeef,
your getting a little hot under the collar.
First off, this is a forum for Audio enthusiasts. It has absolutely nothing to do with pornography; an industry, I might add, you really know very little about, except for watching it regularly. If you are perchance into making 'amateur home porno movies' as many people who obsessively need porn for stimulation do, thats completely different than the organized porno industry.
I think Slumpbuster's original statement is laughable in the context of this forum. I am not going to judge you for what you do in private, that is your business, but this forum is just that - a public forum. A forum is not about being in your own private world, no matter if it is sordid or not; its about sharing with other people - a lot of other people from around the world - including young people. That is why we sign an agreement before joining. It makes us think twice about saying really stupid things that have no bearing on audio and that may be offensive to a lot of people. I assure you that the vast majority of people in the US DO NOT feel as you do, and are uncomfortable with the premise of pornography as a normal part of our lives. One does not have to be affiliated with any religion to understand the potential dangers and corruption of such an industry. It has absolutely no resemblence to audio whatsoever. If I thought it did, or if I felt that most of the members wanted to blow the trumpets for pornography, you would no longer see me contribute my time and effort here.
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Originally Posted by O'Shag
Heh Groundbeef,
your getting a little hot under the collar.
First off, this is a forum for Audio enthusiasts. It has absolutely nothing to do with pornography; an industry, I might add, you really know very little about, except for watching it regularly. If you are perchance into making 'amateur home porno movies' as many people who obsessively need porn for stimulation do, thats completely different than the organized porno industry.
I think Slumpbuster's original statement is laughable in the context of this forum. I am not going to judge you for what you do in private, that is your business, but this forum is just that - a public forum. A forum is not about being in your own private world, no matter if it is sordid or not; its about sharing with other people - a lot of other people from around the world - including young people. That is why we sign an agreement before joining. It makes us think twice about saying really stupid things that have no bearing on audio and that may be offensive to a lot of people. I assure you that the vast majority of people in the US DO NOT feel as you do, and are uncomfortable with the premise of pornography as a normal part of our lives. One does not have to be affiliated with any religion to understand the potential dangers and corruption of such an industry. It has absolutely no resemblence to audio whatsoever. If I thought it did, or if I felt that most of the members wanted to blow the trumpets for pornography, you would no longer see me contribute my time and effort here.
Well, I guess we are going to different opinions, and thats ok. As far as "hot under the collar", I haven't even warmed up.
But please don't begin a discussion, then edit your posts after a response has been written, and "pretend" that I'm the only one having this conversation. Thats why I use full quotes in my responses. Clearly you are writing out your rear end, and then having "writers remorse" after being rebutted. You are 100% correct this is an audio forum. And a A/V forum. That would include video. Including Porn.
And your broad and general statements are if at the very least as "laughable" as anything else that has been posted. You know even less about me, than I may/may not know about the porn industry. As for me watching porn regularly, I probably watch it less than you do, seeing how much "knowledge" you have of the industry.
The main "thrust" of my arguement was that simply trying to pigeon hole porn as the downfall of moder society is ignorant. Sex has been around for ages. Porn has been around for as long as people have been. Cave paintings depict sex. Books/writings depicting sex have been with us for ages. Some of the earliest images from a camera involved sex. The first "porno" came out shortly after the invention after of movie making.
Again, its about choice. If you don't want to see it, dont. But lets stop pretending that the downfall of modern society lies between the sleve of a DVD in the "adult" section.
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Originally Posted by O'Shag
I think Slumpbuster's original statement is laughable in the context of this forum.
Hey, I take offense to that... my statements are laughable in any context. I get no respect, I tell ya. My doctor told me I only had two weeks to live, I said "Doc, I want a second opinion." He said, "Okay, you're ugly, too." No respect.
Seriously though, cut it out everyone. The intent of my original statement was to be good for a laugh and interject some humor. I'm sorry if the outside world made its way into one of my posts. Its taking all my will power not to mention that the porn industry is bigger than Hollywood by a third. So, I won't mention it. Opps.
Can't we all just get along now...for the sake of the children. :D
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RODNEY!!! Is that YOU?!?!?!?!
Welcome back from the dead! :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by SlumpBuster
Hey, I take offense to that... my statements are laughable in any context. I get no respect, I tell ya. My doctor told me I only had two weeks to live, I said "Doc, I want a second opinion." He said, "Okay, you're ugly, too." No respect.
Seriously though, cut it out everyone. The intent of my original statement was to be good for a laugh and interject some humor. I'm sorry if the outside world made its way into one of my posts. Its taking all my will power not to mention that the porn industry is bigger than Hollywood by a third. So, I won't mention it. Opps.
Can't we all just get along now...for the sake of the children. :D
I respect you slump. Even after the morning came. And you're really not that ugly.:idea:
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Who are these guys arguing about porn? They don't even watch porn. I know about porn, I tell, ya. I've done porn. I was the centerfold in Playgirl Magazine. The staples covered everything!
All I got is porn! My sex life is terrible. Last night my wife met me at the front door wearing sexy lingerie. The trouble was, she was coming home. I get no respect.
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I heard she cut you down to once a month. Hey, but don't sweat it. I know guys she has cut out altogether.
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Sorry Slumpbuster - if it was humour, no problem - I like a good laugh too. I disagree with PoundBeef on several counts though. There are many places to visit on the net to talk about and obsess over porno movies. I wasn't aware this forum even being A/V was one of them. Judging by the man's response he is inclined towards ridiculing others to make himself feel justified.
First, I edited the post before I thought anyone could respond because I realized that someone like Poundbeef would explode (with on or two tiny drops I should imagine) in defence of what clearly is his favorite personal pastime - wanking.
Second, I do not watch porno movies because I know what they represent and stand for and don't wish to support that industry. I happen to have insider knowledge and first hand experiences, and have seen what its done to many friends and aquaintances. It is a horrible industry with many very ruthless dispassionate people who care nothing for anybody but themselves. As I mentioned previously, it is rampant with drugs, disease, lies, violence, and organized crime. It promotes several aspects of human behaviour that are not right.
I do not need to justify my own level of sexuality as a means to avoid ridicule. Sufficed to say, my missus and I l have a vigorously healthy sexlife, and we never watch porn - except on weekdays.
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Originally Posted by O'Shag
Sorry Slumpbuster - if it was humour, no problem - I like a good laugh too. I disagree with PoundBeef on several counts though. There are many places to visit on the net to talk about and obsess over porno movies. I wasn't aware this forum even being A/V was one of them. Judging by the man's response he is inclined towards ridiculing others to make himself feel justified. .
Well, aren't you a bit snarky? Again, I didn't bring it up. And after your rather longwinded, and rambling manifesto (that you later edited after being called out), I responded. If you don't want a response, don't post.
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Originally Posted by O'Shag
First, I edited the post before I thought anyone could respond because I realized that someone like Poundbeef would explode (with on or two tiny drops I should imagine) in defence of what clearly is his favorite personal pastime - wanking..
Hello, Kettle. Nice to see you've met Mr. Pot. Oh look, you're both black. If your gonna chide someone in one paragraph, then don't do it in the preceeding paragraph. It tends to weaken your already limp arguement. And second, you've edited 2 posts, after comments have been posted about your writings. It's not like we can't see the "edited by" tag on your postings. Perhaps you ought to use the "preview post" button first. Otherwise it looks like you are changing your posts to make them appear less offensive. (IE removing "bonking")
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Originally Posted by O'Shag
Second, I do not watch porno movies because I know what they represent and stand for and don't wish to support that industry. I happen to have a lot of insider knowledge and first hand experiences, and have seen what its done to many friends and aquaintances. It is a horrible industry with many very ruthless dispassionate people who care nothing for anybody but themselves. As I mentioned previously, it is rampant with drugs, disease, lies, violence, and organized crime..
Thats quite a juxtaposition in your arguement. You don't watch porn, nor do you support it, but you have FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE? How's that work? I am sorry for your friends, but like any high profile jobs, there is plenty of abuse (drug, alcohol etc) in the field. What about major motion stars? Heath Ledger (Rx overdose), River Pheonix (drugs), Chris Farley (Drugs), Phil Hartman (murder), John Belushi (drugs), Britney Spears (Drugs, Alcohol), Lindsay Lohan (Alcohol, drugs). Those are just a couple off the top of my head. As far as I know, none were involved in porn.
Don't get started on musicians either.
Perhaps we ought to outlaw both Music, AND Movies, I mean for the love of God, look at all the death!!
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Originally Posted by O'Shag
I do not need to justify my own level of sexuality as a means to avoid ridicule. Sufficed to say, my missus and I l have a vigorously healthy sexlife, and we never watch porn - except on weekdays.
Then don't. No one was asking. And from your posting, it appears that you sir, are doing the ridiculing. (poorly I might add).
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Poundbeef, your a stupid ass, and a waste of time.
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Originally Posted by O'Shag
Poundbeef, your a stupid ass, and a waste of time.
Wow. Didn't take long for you to come down off your high horse. I'll leave your response as it is.
You can't debate the topic you started mid thread. So you resort to name calling after chastising people for name calling and ridicule. Thanks for playing. :dita:
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These posts are getting really ridiculous, but then again, the thread was originally titled, "We Could Learn alot (sic) from Porn Stars."
So, porn it is, porn it was, and porn it will remain. When I used to attend annual Consumer Electronics Shows in Las Vegas, there was always the "X-rated" video area. For some time, porn stars, and the distributors of their films, were placed right smack next to legitimate electronics manufacturers, and I can assure you, that didn't go over very well at all. Ultimately, the porn area was located off site, and usually in a soon-to-be-torn-down hotel.
When a female porn star walks near you, and stinks to high heaven, or when another female porn star is wearing a wedding dress, with the front cut open up above her crotch, I have to say that that's not only distasteful, it's disgusting, and there's certainly nothing any of us can "learn" from that!
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