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  • Are ticked-off, Skeptic was one of the good ones here

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  • Don't care, you'll still post on AR.com

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    Interesting development on AR.com today

    It appears longtime member "Skeptic" has left us...
    How does this make you all feel?
    I for one don't always agree with him, but you've got to admit, he's funny as hell sometimes and had plenty of techno-knowledge to share with everyone.

    Guess I'll miss him...hope this isn't the beginning of a mass exodus of members...

    On the other hand...who the hell quits an internet forum because he doesn't like the new "moderator"? Kind of reminds me of the kid who flipped the monopoly board across the room when he was losing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kexodusc
    It appears longtime member "Skeptic" has left us...
    How does this make you all feel?
    I for one don't always agree with him, but you've got to admit, he's funny as hell sometimes and had plenty of techno-knowledge to share with everyone.

    Guess I'll miss him...hope this isn't the beginning of a mass exodus of members...

    On the other hand...who the hell quits an internet forum because he doesn't like the new "moderator"? Kind of reminds me of the kid who flipped the monopoly board across the room when he was losing.
    I also like what Skeptic has to say, but not all the time. He had a way of being comical and serious at the same time. It is that comical side that I wish more members had. Good luck Skeptic in what ever you end up doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kexodusc
    It appears longtime member "Skeptic" has left us...
    How does this make you all feel?
    I for one don't always agree with him, but you've got to admit, he's funny as hell sometimes and had plenty of techno-knowledge to share with everyone.

    Guess I'll miss him...hope this isn't the beginning of a mass exodus of members...

    On the other hand...who the hell quits an internet forum because he doesn't like the new "moderator"? Kind of reminds me of the kid who flipped the monopoly board across the room when he was losing.

    I think you may have misread his post? He would be leaving IF the site is changed as was envisioned by the new administrator?
    mtrycrafts

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    Dunno 'bout that.

    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic
    After thousands of postings under the moniker "Skeptic" and under the moniker "itellitlikeitis" under the old blue letter format, this will be my last posting on the AR message board.
    It seems pretty clear to me.
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    Well you've got to tip your hat to Skep...I've seen some funny stuff on this site, but picking a fight with the new forum moderator over what the moderator MIGHT do (not what he HAS done) takes the cake. That's pretty damn funny. Guess the right to free speech is a value more appreciated than presumed innocence.

    What's even funnier is the fact that a moderator is the single, lone entity on a web forum that can actually WIN a flame war, by virtue of the powers that come with the title. That didn't scare ol' Skep though...damn it if he didn't think he could start a flame war with authority itself and WIN!!! You've got to respect that. And you know what...I think I sense a bit of wavering on ericl's part...

    Yep, Skep even sent a few threats to the stakeholders on his way out the door...It'd be funny if Axiom files for bankruptcy within a few weeks now that Skeptic is advising his friends to avoid purchasing their products because of their association with audioreview.com.
    I wonder if Audie Ogaisle will return to the forums anytime soon? I hope so...next to Skeptic, nobody else can make me laugh as hard.

    Anyone got the odds on Skeptic returning in one form or another???

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    Quote Originally Posted by markw
    It seems pretty clear to me.

    After I went through the posts, yes, it is clear. It appears that this may become fantasyland
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    http://chixlinx.homestead.com/files/...ightzone02.wav
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    Quote Originally Posted by kexodusc
    It appears longtime member "Skeptic" has left us...
    How does this make you all feel?
    I for one don't always agree with him, but you've got to admit, he's funny as hell sometimes and had plenty of techno-knowledge to share with everyone.

    Guess I'll miss him...hope this isn't the beginning of a mass exodus of members...

    On the other hand...who the hell quits an internet forum because he doesn't like the new "moderator"? Kind of reminds me of the kid who flipped the monopoly board across the room when he was losing.
    I just cast my Ticked Off vote above. No one fought with Skeptic more than I did, but his departure is a huge loss. He is a man of conviction and I fear he won't reverse his decision. In many ways, AR has just lost its heart and soul.

    I just don't have the heart to get into the frey right now. All I can say is I don't at all like the direction I see things going here.

    Good luck Skeptic. You were more than a worth adversary. Although I hate to admit it, I learned a lot from you and have a great deal of respect for you.

    You sure knew how to dish it out, but you were equally adept at taking it like a man.

    God Speed, my friend.

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    Too bad. Skep brought a fair amount of engineering know how and a rather wry sense of humor. If he's happier somewhere else, more power to him.

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    Come on Skep, just one more post for old times sake. And by the way, you have alot of audacity to say you are quiting.

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    yeah you had to enjoy his Cynical demeanor, rather amussing to me ateast.

    hmm maybe we could work a DBT on skeps posting... proving their actual effect on the audible differences we here in our music. come on I need proof that what he posted actually helped anyone!!

    LOL, I gues I can still say that for now.

    Lets hope for our sake he was wrong about the new direction

    Though I have to say I am concerned

    Good luck Skep

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    Unhappy Well, I'm sad to see him go....

    But it would be just like Skep to leave over a point of principle, you gotta admire that. There are few folks left that take the "road less traveled". I for one will miss him.

    Da Worfster

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    Not the same place without Skeptic

    Skeptic was without any doubt a valuable guy to have around here. His background knowledge was great, and he was usually willing to share it. Most of us, at least those who were willing to listen, benefited from what he could tell us. This place will be poorer without him.

    Skeptic could be tough on people who he thought were so wrong that they didn't deserve the time of day. He could also be very stubborn. I, for one, got tired of his seemingly endless debates with pctower. But he and pct seemed to enjoy it, so who am I to criticize that?

    I liked Skeptic best for his strong stand on the side of science in the ongoing debate between science (and common sense) versus marketing forces in audio. I hope his decision to leave here does not become a de-facto admission of defeat in this debate.

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    He'll be back in some form...

    ...I'd venture...this place get's into your blood for some unknown and ungodly reason, to that I can attest...but that's of course if this place remains this place...a laissez-faire attitude from the powers-that-be seem to have worked so far, no telling what the future holds...but, I'll have no problem takin' a walk myself if that's what it comes to...

    When I see fit to refer to someone, ANYONE...as a tin-horn dictator, or wire-nazi or other less-than-PC-term, it's for a good reason and having that ability terminated after all this time is unacceptable to me...

    While we had words on more than one occasion, I always found his posts honest and interesting.

    jimHJJ(...and if he's really gone, that just puts more pressure on the rest of us to fight the good fight...miserable SOB that he is...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kexodusc
    It appears longtime member "Skeptic" has left us...
    How does this make you all feel?
    I for one don't always agree with him, but you've got to admit, he's funny as hell sometimes and had plenty of techno-knowledge to share with everyone.

    Guess I'll miss him...hope this isn't the beginning of a mass exodus of members...

    On the other hand...who the hell quits an internet forum because he doesn't like the new "moderator"? Kind of reminds me of the kid who flipped the monopoly board across the room when he was losing.
    meh.
    the fellow could not quit till he was right.
    Dont make him a bad person really cuz everyone is different on internet.
    Everyone is more of a prick because of the annonymity.
    Many things said here would never leave a persons mouth...being too hard on everything just causes you to lose friends.

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    It's not like Skep to give up on a fight so easy. Changes have not even been made and he bailed? I thought he would be there fighting to make sure the right changes are made. I Dunno, seems uncharateristic for Skep to bail so quickly over what changes "MIGHT" take place in the future. Right or wrong, I don't think I have seen him back down much, if at all?

    Anyway, it's a loss regardless how you get along with him.

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    Last edited by JSE; 08-16-2004 at 10:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92135011
    Everyone is more of a prick because of the annonymity.
    Many things said here would never leave a persons mouth...
    Uhm. Perhaps some of us are just as much a 'prick' in person. :-)

    -Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resident Loser
    When I see fit to refer to someone, ANYONE...as a tin-horn dictator, or wire-nazi or other less-than-PC-term, it's for a good reason and having that ability terminated after all this time is unacceptable to me...
    Get used to it -- I've already recieved one PM warning from the administrator in response to the Bizzaro post where I was asking how can an accurate description of someone be a personal attack(I did include examples, of course :-) )

    I just noticed that my reply with further questions/examples has 'mysteriously' disappeared from the thread -- though my initial one remains.

    Apparently if someone is a hypocrit dictator, you can't actually say or mention such a thing. It seems that any reference to anyone that is not positive is prohibited, regardless of accuracy.

    Pathetic.

    -Chris

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    Sorry guys,

    I just don't see how name calling is pertinent to discussions about audio. In efforts to make this place a nicer and less unfriendly place to hang out, I won't allow it. Didn't your mothers ever tell you to "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all"?. So please cooperate and restrict discussions to audio, cut out the attacks and the name calling, and talk about your stereos, ok?

    Thanks,
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    I know I am...(nft)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kexodusc
    It appears longtime member "Skeptic" has left us...
    How does this make you all feel?
    Similarly, while we frequently have a difference of opinion, he was one of few tradionalists here who seems to have a passion for music, not just THD plots. He has quite an historical perspective of our hobby and is confident with the experience that formulates his opinions. I consider it a loss.

    Quote Originally Posted by kexodusc
    On the other hand...who the hell quits an internet forum because he doesn't like the new "moderator"? Kind of reminds me of the kid who flipped the monopoly board across the room when he was losing.
    I don't understand all the bruhaha here or over at AA. There is a thread on the General Forum over there about James Randi that discusses ABX testing and DBTs. The tone has been calm and it has not been shut down.

    I was kinda hoping that one day, Skep would try out that which he believes is nonsense and see if his opinion on the "high end" remains the same. I think that he might enjoy spending an evening in Seacliff with HP (they are contemporaries) as I have done many a time discussing music and enjoying that which is possible in home audio today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kexodusc
    It appears longtime member "Skeptic" has left us...
    How does this make you all feel?
    I for one don't always agree with him, but you've got to admit, he's funny as hell sometimes and had plenty of techno-knowledge to share with everyone.

    Guess I'll miss him...hope this isn't the beginning of a mass exodus of members...

    On the other hand...who the hell quits an internet forum because he doesn't like the new "moderator"? Kind of reminds me of the kid who flipped the monopoly board across the room when he was losing.
    As I read it, he left because he wasn't allowed to say what he felt, even though it was within his personal boundaries of reason. He appears to be against not the moderator but the moderators vision of how this place is going to run. Further, he had threads deleted and a few personal emails from the moderator, "moderating" in such as way as to be disagreeable to Skeptic.

    I certainly don't know Skeptic but he doesn't strike me as the sort that would run away from someone. He's stated on this board several times that censorship (as he views it) would cause him to leave. Through his posts, I see him as someone who is intolerant of particular kinds of music and who (incredulously) created his own hierarchy of musical instruments i.e the violin is a "better" instrument than the saxophone and the electric guitar is a "worse" instrument than the oboe. Hopefully, he was saying that in order to get the goat's of people. I'd hate to think he was truly that ignorant. Let's just say that he would be the LAST person on A/R to have an opinion on music that I would trust.

    On the equipment/science side of things, he was a wonderful mixture of objectivist who trusted his own ears. That's rare. It made his posts stand up and be counted. You have to respect people that don't blindly follow one path or the other but are willing to voice their opinions based on experience... and then to have the experience both in the listening room and the lab.

    Overall, I'd say A/R is the worse for Skeptic leaving. However, it doesn't seem to matter because the apparent future direction of A/R won't need folks like Skeptic. It was the former direction that did. The question that the rest of us need to answer is whether the new direction is to our liking. It obviously wasn't to Skeptic's.

    Will he come back in some form? Perhaps it gets into one's blood as RL states. I rather think Skeptic will be a notable exception. I get the impression he'd view his own return as a sign of weakness. We'll have to watch and see. I wish him well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericl
    I won't allow it. Didn't your mothers ever tell you to "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all"?.
    Oh, my goodness gracious. Did you happen to realize this is not a kiddie board? THis is not some PC place where everyone is wearing a brand new pair of rose-colored lens glasses. Honestly, if you are serious in trying to enforce some sort of delusional happy-go-lucky play land where everything is good or it is prohbited, this is a place I will not remain.

    -Chris

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    I realize that.

    That's why I am asking that people stop behaving like kiddies!

    cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by ericl
    That's why I am asking that people stop behaving like kiddies!

    cheers,
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    A general statement, as you just made, is not meaningful. This leaves open far too many possibilities to be construed.

    Cite specific posts and your detailed analysis of such examples.

    So far you have failed to specifically define two things that are of importance:

    1. Your definition of 'personal attack'.

    2. Your definintion of 'kiddie behaviour'.

    Instead of a generalization that is for the most part meaningless, please specifically define the parameters of these defintions in your perspective, as you will enforce.

    -Chris

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    I'll put up some rules soon.

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