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    Quote Originally Posted by JSE
    Based on your comment about weak bass above, I would defintely go the stand/sub route first. Like noddinoff mentioned, bass is about moving air. Small speakers simply don't move a lot of air, thus limited bass.

    However, you have some great speakers. There is absolutely nothing wrong with pairing a decent sub with them. Many audio nuts prefer a monitor/bookshelve style speakers like yours combined with a sub. Some prefer a larger full range larger speaker that produces more bass on it's own. Even then, most still add a sub to a full range speaker.

    In the mean time, keep playing with positioning and maybe even some room treatments like you mentioned with fabric on the window. Generally speaking, fabric and soft materials will absorb sound and reduce reflections. Wood or any hard surface creates reflections and "bounces" sound. Since I am starting to speak outside my limited expertise, I am not really sure which would help best with your lack of bass and your layout . I suspect the wood shutters would be better in your situation but again, maybe someone else will disagree. A little "boomy" bass created by some hard surfaced might actually help a little here in this particular situation. At least until you get a sub.
    Hours ago I was at my friend's flat, twice the size and I brought along my set up. Growing muscles in hours. My main reason was to borrow his stand and looking at his set up. I think it was B&W CM1 and Rotel amp n a dedicated player, also Rotel. Wow.......need I say more. Can't compare if one is on a tight budget.

    Placing the iq3 on stand which was placed in decent size living room, lots of furnitures - no subs n using my NAD. Speakers were spaced at about 10 feet from the centre. The outcome.........again crisp sound and more than adequate bass for my standard. Play numerous cds and yes, iq3 sounds so much better in his house. I can feel the bass moving towards me instead of lingering in a corner. No muffled bass and .....it rocks man.... I am newbie but I can recommend to anyone with tight budget, iq3 is a solid buy.

    In conclusion, I need to move to a bigger flat.......... Not a fair world that is.

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    I was a bit surprised when you talked about the bass. When I auditioned the iQ3's, I definitely didn't think the bass was missing/poor. Glad you had that experience, now you know what they are capable of. I'm sure you can sort something out in your room Give it a little time.

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    I've got the IQ5's and set up in a small room. I also had a problem getting enough bass out of them.

    Before getting the CD player or stands, I would probably invest in a small, cheap subwoofer. I was much happier once I did!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dishwasher
    I've got the IQ5's and set up in a small room. I also had a problem getting enough bass out of them.

    Before getting the CD player or stands, I would probably invest in a small, cheap subwoofer. I was much happier once I did!
    Ok, I will go for a sub but this may sounds silly but how do you connect it to my NAD C315BEE which is just a 2 channel. I was wondering for a bit on how I can do that.

    What sub would go well with my iQ3, given for a simple and not top of the line set up. Yes, it's a humble set up guys....so any suggestion would be great.

    For the speakers stand, I have seen the KEF ones and frankly they are not cheap. Why is that so. I was thinking on google speakers stand, look for a suitable design and get someone to built one for me in a garage. My dad would do that for me given all the tools in his workshop.

    Thanks again.

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    My amp doesn't have a subwoofer output either, so I had to get a powered sub with speaker (high) level inputs.

    I ended up getting one with a variable high-cut frequency knob. I think as long as you have one of these you'll be able to tune it in to match your setup perfectly.

    I got one of the cheapest ones they had at the store that were equipped with speaker level inputs and have been very happy with it's performance for the price I paid (subs can get very expensive).

    When I added the sub to my KEFs, it warmed everything right up but I still had that KEF detail that I liked. I need a bigger place too, so I can move my speakers further apart!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dishwasher
    My amp doesn't have a subwoofer output either, so I had to get a powered sub with speaker (high) level inputs.

    I ended up getting one with a variable high-cut frequency knob. I think as long as you have one of these you'll be able to tune it in to match your setup perfectly.

    I got one of the cheapest ones they had at the store that were equipped with speaker level inputs and have been very happy with it's performance for the price I paid (subs can get very expensive).

    When I added the sub to my KEFs, it warmed everything right up but I still had that KEF detail that I liked. I need a bigger place too, so I can move my speakers further apart!
    Thanks Dishwasher for sharing your experience. I am going to another shop to audition some sub and with my set up. Some shop do not carry NAD or KEF. Am also hunting for speaker stand. The ones from KEF that I saw yesterday was so nice n the base was shaped to sit the iQ3. Then again......$ not pretty.

    Will have to venture more.

    Where do you place your speakers? Mine are on a window ledge. What would be the ideal minimum distance between the 2 speakers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raychristenpaul
    Thanks Dishwasher for sharing your experience. I am going to another shop to audition some sub and with my set up. Some shop do not carry NAD or KEF. Am also hunting for speaker stand. The ones from KEF that I saw yesterday was so nice n the base was shaped to sit the iQ3. Then again......$ not pretty.

    Will have to venture more.

    Where do you place your speakers? Mine are on a window ledge. What would be the ideal minimum distance between the 2 speakers?

    Wow, good question. If you click on my gallery link you can see a pic of my humble setup (I need a bigger TV stand now).
    I'm pretty new at this stuff too (and just joined this forum too), but someone suggested to give this a try to get a base idea for speaker placement. There's a button at the bottom for a speaker placement calculator.
    http://www.cardas.com/content.php?ar...ing=Room+Setup

    But it will take a lot of experimentation too since any room can be sonically different. I just "feel" that mine are better if they are about 8 feet apart, but I can't really afford to slide everything over since on the right side there is a small dining table.

    I'm sure the other members have more advice for speaker placement.

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    This is weird. I was trying different listening height for the iQ3 and to do that I placed empty DHL boxes underneath the speakers as a temporary stand since they are the only option apart from lots of books. Anyway, I was suprised that I am able to hear bass, not significant but yeah sounds kinda getting a bit of upgrade. Nice to listen to G. Armada at 10 o'clock (damn loud). However, if I turn the vol higher than that - bass are not that pretty to hear.

    Since I may have to put my speakers on the w/ledge for a while - what do u guys think if I get a shorter stands? Would wooden stand be better or the all metal with spikes are much better?
    raynee christen paul

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    M getting a NAD cd player today....the C515BEE.....let's find out how it perform against my old Pioneer....by the way, I was informed by my dad that it is about 9 years old. (not 3-4) I mean wow, 9 years ago n they have come up with 24 bit DAC....probably not a fair duel....given the age.....but why not. Are there any higher than 24 bit DAC?

    How do you guys make the comparison, by listening to the same song or with stacks of cds with different types of music?

    I recalled when I first auditioned my iQ3, the guy in shop was telling me that if u r listening to this song, you go for this speaker, that song for that speaker and etc, etc..then I began to wonder. iQ3 - is it a all rounder speakers or just for certain music only?
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    Quote Originally Posted by raychristenpaul
    M getting a NAD cd player today....the C515BEE.....let's find out how it perform against my old Pioneer....by the way, I was informed by my dad that it is about 9 years old. (not 3-4) I mean wow, 9 years ago n they have come up with 24 bit DAC....probably not a fair duel....given the age.....but why not. Are there any higher than 24 bit DAC?

    How do you guys make the comparison, by listening to the same song or with stacks of cds with different types of music?

    I recalled when I first auditioned my iQ3, the guy in shop was telling me that if u r listening to this song, you go for this speaker, that song for that speaker and etc, etc..then I began to wonder. iQ3 - is it a all rounder speakers or just for certain music only?
    Ayo,

    Congrats on the NAD, new toys are fun aren't they? The advances in players have centered around oversampling and rate...which is variable and on which one could wrire chapters. At the end of the day just go with what sounds good to you.

    At this point I would almost buy any kind of stand. Think outside the envelope. Maybe some plantstands or something. Granted you may pick up some resonations from them at high volumes but you liv ein a flat so I assume you're not doing concert level listening anyway. They won't be the ultimate answer but definitely better than having those KEFs pressed up against the glass. Give 'em some room and you'll come closer to replicating the sound you heard at your friend's house.

    Some speakers excell at certain things but I think the KEFs are a good all-around speak. I've had many chances to replace mine with more "celebrated audiophile gear" but why? They do a good job holding down the fort in my computer system.

    I think everyone would recommend using a few different discs with which you are familiar to test out speakers. I like to take a few different genres...jazz,classical,industrial...that are recorded really well. Usually I'll slip in a disc or two that isn't recorded very well also, because I want to know how revealing a speaker is of known faults. I keep the KEFs around because they are not hyper-revealing---that may sound like a criticism but it's not--and the speakers I use in my main set-up are. Speakers are no good if you can't listen to the type of music you like.

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    Hmmmmm........my humble basic set up are getting a facelift......here goes.

    CD Player : NAD C515 BEE
    Amplifier : NAD C315 BEE
    Speakers: KEF iQ3
    Subwoofer: Infinity PS210 (pls comment)
    Cables: MaxCable
    Stand: metal plate with spike (thanks dad)

    Playing songs of every genre that I could find from my cd collection, bass wise....you all heard me complaining from the start. Ain't anymore....more than adequate....pushing up the vol to barely 12 o'clock - feels like walls shaattered n about to crumble down wth me neighbours goin knockin my door. Superb performance by Infinity with all the way between 120-150 kHz crossover freq. Playing around wth it searching for the best balance n then.....found it and I am now a happy listener........

    Got the warm bass, crisp n detail sounds, though it needed minor adjustment - depends on the songs. Bass are coming towards me when I am in my sweet spot. No distortation or muffled sound. Will leave my set on the window ledge n keeping the wooden panel blinder as the backdrop. Love the new C515, placing it on top of the C315. Matching colours n size. Looks really awesome - what more could I ask for.

    Damnnnn......never thought that my toys gonna cost me.....need I say more....Thank you all wth all your sound advices. You all r the best.

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    Congratulations! I bet it sounds pretty nice for the money spent. Looks like it can get damn loud too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dishwasher
    Congratulations! I bet it sounds pretty nice for the money spent. Looks like it can get damn loud too!
    Thanks Dishwasher......yes....it can get so damn loud n with a punch, too. I almost go for KEF sub but after auditioned it, I settled for Infinity. I mean I want all of the speakers are from KEF, perhaps good resale value (nah....not for a long long time!). I'm not an expert but Infinity have a punch n KEF have lesser punch. I guess to most people, it all depends how adequate is the bass for them. Well the sale person (the same one) told me that I can return it if I am not happy with it.
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    How much did you pay for it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by audio amateur
    How much did you pay for it ?
    I would say that the Infinity is about $400, not cheap though. There's a smaller one but chose the PS210 for future use. Might strike a good job n who knows, might go over the other pond. If u r listening to "the unforgiven", get ready to rearrange the pic frame on the wall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raychristenpaul
    I would say that the Infinity is about $400, not cheap though. There's a smaller one but chose the PS210 for future use. Might strike a good job n who knows, might go over the other pond. If u r listening to "the unforgiven", get ready to rearrange the pic frame on the wall.
    So you don't know how much you paid for it? Have you bought it yet (the sub)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by audio amateur
    So you don't know how much you paid for it? Have you bought it yet (the sub)?
    To be exact, it cost me $413. Bought it yesterday.
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