Classical Music Lover

[Florian]

Hello Bingo,

i have to go with E-Stat on this one. Its most likely the speakers and equipment. I had this experience with quite a few of my systems but most of the digital harshness is now gone with my current system.

Cheers

[JoeE SP9]

Hi Bingo! What you are describing is the reason I don't like metal domed tweeters. I don't know if your current speakers have metal domes but metal domes always sounded that way to me. Actually I hear a little of it in all dome tweeters.

[Bingo]

Hi Bingo! What you are describing is the reason I don't like metal domed tweeters. I don't know if your current speakers have metal domes but metal domes always sounded that way to me. Actually I hear a little of it in all dome tweeters.

Hi Joe E - No, I don't have metal 'dome' tweeters, but I have metal (aluminum) ribbon tweeters... Mine are LCY Ribbon Tweeters and I always thought that they tweet nicely. But you may be right, since even though they are 'ribbon' they are 'aluminum' ...so who knows? I'd like to say though that about 85 percent or more of my violin music is very accurate...nothing amiss on most recordings. Maybe we will never get to the bottom of this..huh.....
Old man Bingo

[Bingo]

Hello Bingo,

i have to go with E-Stat on this one. Its most likely the speakers and equipment. I had this experience with quite a few of my systems but most of the digital harshness is now gone with my current system.

Cheers

Florian: I am truly wondering if we are talking about the same sound. First of all I have some fairly decent equipment - like Orsa speakers, a Cary CD player and an NAD C 370 integrated amp...of course there's a lot of stuff far superior to mine as yours may well be, but I have heard this aberration on a friend's speakers and his rig costs thousands of dollars...But it is not YOUR fault that we may be talking about something different..it is because of, as I have admitted, my own inability to accurately describe what I am talking about. Makes me wonder if I were able to hear your system if I would still hear this sound. I'm glad, however, that you are now enjoying a system that produces pristine sound...what makes up your system? I just thought I can look it up when I get through typing this and I will. Thanks for the input, I do appreciate it!

[Feanor]

Florian: I am truly wondering if we are talking about the same sound. First of all I have some fairly decent equipment - like Orsa speakers, a Cary CD player and an NAD C 370 integrated amp......

Bingo, as I said -- and I believe you agree -- this is not entirely an equipment issue and can't entirely be solve with equipment swaps or upgrades. Nor is it necessarily an RFI problem though that might be a contributing factor.

Nevertheless I believe that better equipment, especially better resolution, will minimize or mitigate the problem we've been discussing. In particular, given a choice between a CD upgrade and an amplifier upgrade, I'd start with the latter. I have owned a NAD C270 and I feel that it is a "mid-fi" amp in terms of resolution. As I recall, you were asking about the Bel Canto eVo2i intigrated at one point, and I can assure you it is a huge step up in terms of resolution over the NAD. And I can assure you also that it is no artifact of RFI or the like, but a genuine increase in resolution and transparency. This sort of improvement, (and I'm not suggesting the Bel Canto is the only way to get it), would go a long way to improve your enjoyment of orchestral violins and choral works. I doubt you'll get the same degree of improvement by upgrading you Cary CD player.

[Bingo]

Bill Bailey - you are right! I think this whole process has provided me with some interesting and useful information. I wanted to ask you about the connection of my subwoofer to the Bel Canto eVo2i - now I got from pre-out to main in and supposedly that way the amp 'manages' the bass...if I got the Bel Canto I'd have to go to two possibilities..one cable from amp to subwoofer or I could run speaker wires from the sub to my Orsa monitors....I don't much like either of those connections. ??? If the Bel Canto had the pre-out main-in connecions I'd be fine.

Bingo

[Feanor]

Bill Bailey - you are right! I think this whole process has provided me with some interesting and useful information. I wanted to ask you about the connection of my subwoofer to the Bel Canto eVo2i - now I got from pre-out to main in and supposedly that way the amp 'manages' the bass...if I got the Bel Canto I'd have to go to two possibilities..one cable from amp to subwoofer or I could run speaker wires from the sub to my Orsa monitors....I don't much like either of those connections. ??? If the Bel Canto had the pre-out main-in connecions I'd be fine.

Bingo

The Bel Canto eVo2i has pre-out but no main-in connectors; nor can you used Tape-out/Tape-In as an external loop because the unit allow won't that. Actually this is quite a pain in the butt if you want to use any sort of external processor: crossover, EQ, whatever. This issue contributed to my decission to go to separates.

With the Bel, I ran a subwoofer from the pre-outs; this was alright in my case since I could run my main speakers full range and use the sub's built in low-pass. (Note that now I use this basic arrangement with my separates -- see my configuration, below.)