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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyfi View Post
    Not to be rude, but why don't they seek out visually impaired people for auditory challenges? (very PC)
    Reading the article goes a long way!

    There, the researchers suggested preventing sight for as little as a week may be enough to help the brain process sound more effectively.

    This was in the article.

    They didn't mention the blind because they already did a study on that as well.

    Short stays in darkness can boost hearing, study shows - Medical News Today


    Reading the entire article helps.......
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    This article presents a solid reason why I think blind listening tests are more accurate than sited listening tests with respect to electronics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3db View Post
    This article presents a solid reason why I think blind listening tests are more accurate than sited listening tests with respect to electronics.
    Just not the overwhelmingly common bogus type which use switchboxes that combine signal grounds, use extra cabling and other uncontrolled devices and assumptions that are not normally present.

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    People who are blind from birth have extraordinary hearing most times. That is why Double Blind Testing would be better done with Blind people. Nobody can be accurate by being blindfolded for a short time as opposed to normal hearing for life of a blind person because they are not used to it and each time blindfolded the hearing sense change can be a little different.

    If they did cable swapping tests with blind for life testers, and they did not hear any changes ever, I may change my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyfi View Post
    People who are blind from birth have extraordinary hearing most times. That is why Double Blind Testing would be better done with Blind people. Nobody can be accurate by being blindfolded for a short time as opposed to normal hearing for life of a blind person because they are not used to it and each time blindfolded the hearing sense change can be a little different.

    If they did cable swapping tests with blind for life testers, and they did not hear any changes ever, I may change my mind.
    Blind in this case simply means not being able to see the equipment used prior to and during the test. It doesn't mean blindfolded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3db View Post
    Blind in this case simply means not being able to see the equipment used prior to and during the test. It doesn't mean blindfolded.
    When the term is "double blind", you are mistaken. That means that both the person taking test AND the tester do not know which is which. As for me, I don't have a problem with single blind studies. The "Clever Hans" cueing effect can be eliminated.

    Randomizing digital content using the same player works fine. Running gear through extraneous boxes or Y-adapters merely blends electrical characteristics of the devices under test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E-Stat View Post
    When the term is "double blind", you are mistaken. That means that both the person taking test AND the tester do not know which is which. As for me, I don't have a problem with single blind studies. The "Clever Hans" cueing effect can be eliminated.

    Randomizing digital content using the same player works fine. Running gear through extraneous boxes or Y-adapters merely blends electrical characteristics of the devices under test.
    I never mentioned DBT in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E-Stat View Post
    When the term is "double blind", you are mistaken. That means that both the person taking test AND the tester do not know which is which. As for me, I don't have a problem with single blind studies. The "Clever Hans" cueing effect can be eliminated.

    Randomizing digital content using the same player works fine. Running gear through extraneous boxes or Y-adapters merely blends electrical characteristics of the devices under test.
    Now they(and I) use computers to do the switching. At AES they use computer controlled ABX testing. Since nobody but the computer is switching, the Clever Hans effect is eliminated.

    If you are DBT wires and IC, those are directly interfaced with the multiplexer - and the computer can choose between which input to listen to, single blindly or DB.

    I am not sure they make those old standalone ABX comparator boxes anymore. Too many people like me could hear the thing switching, and therefore cheat the system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3db View Post
    Blind in this case simply means not being able to see the equipment used prior to and during the test. It doesn't mean blindfolded.
    I know, all I was implying is that Blind people have way better hearing than you and I whether we can't see the cable, are blindfolded or in a dark room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyfi View Post
    I know, all I was implying is that Blind people have way better hearing than you and I whether we can't see the cable, are blindfolded or in a dark room.
    Sorry, but not all blind people have way better hearing than sighted people. Some maybe, but not all.
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