T2: Greatest Sequel of all Time.

[topspeed]

You're an interesting guy, SP. In your OP, you ask "Anyone else have some opinions?" and when you get some, albeit different from yours, you go into attack mode. When the logic disputes your claims, you change the criteria. Oooohkaaay...

If the criteria is now how much better the sequel is than the original, the winner is easily Road Warrior. Why? The Terminator was a very good movie (it had to be for Arnold to milk that many miles out of "I'll be baaack.") while Mad Max was pretty cheesy (whaddya want for a low budget film shot in the Outback?). While I think T2 is a better movie than RR on its own merits, the difference in quality from both originals greatly favors RR.

BTW, in respect to our new system of classification, DDD2 is no longer the best sequel of all time. All porns, umm...suck.

[superpanavision70mm]

What movie is RR?

[topspeed]

RR=Road Warrior

It was late and I had visions of Debbie in my pan...um, head.

Sorry.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

4. Sound design: Hands down this is still one of the most impressively designed films when it comes to it's sound. This is one of the few films that utilized CDS (Cinema Digital Sound), which was prior to the change-over to the multi-channel systems. The 70mm prints of T2 were encoded with true 5.1 sound and that design was incredibly clever giving amazing life to the score, but also the sound effects. The DTS DVD released by Artisan a few years back finally gave some life to just how amazing that sound was and the new Blu-ray DTS track even goes a bit further showcasing the depth and punch that this film was meant to have. This is a film that when I saw it theatrically shook the life out of me at nearly every chance it had. Not only that, but it was memerable that even after one viewing you immediately remember the sound cues.

Just a small point, CDS was the second multichannel 5.1 format but the first DIGITAL multichannel format. The first multichannel delivery format was Dolby six track format number 43. CDS is a little different than Dolby Digital and Dts in that it used 6 full range channels (the LFE was a full range channel) used 16bit 44.1khz sample rate on uncompressed PCM signals.

There were only 10 70mm prints ever released, and those were relegated to Road show houses in Los Angeles and New York.

[Woochifer]

Just a small point, CDS was the second multichannel 5.1 format but the first DIGITAL multichannel format. The first multichannel delivery format was Dolby six track format number 43. CDS is a little different than Dolby Digital and Dts in that it used 6 full range channels (the LFE was a full range channel) used 16bit 44.1khz sample rate on uncompressed PCM signals.

There were only 10 70mm prints ever released, and those were relegated to Road show houses in Los Angeles and New York.

First time I saw T2 was in 70mm at the now-defunct Cinedome in Orange. Quite an experience seeing it on that deeply curved Cinerama screen!

One of those 70mm prints also wound up at the Galaxy Theatre in San Francisco. Both of their THX auditoriums showed T2 during the first run, one had a 70mm mag print, while the other had the 35mm CDS setup. I opted for the 70mm screening.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

First time I saw T2 was in 70mm at the now-defunct Cinedome in Orange. Quite an experience seeing it on that deeply curved Cinerama screen!

One of those 70mm prints also wound up at the Galaxy Theatre in San Francisco. Both of their THX auditoriums showed T2 during the first run, one had a 70mm mag print, while the other had the 35mm CDS setup. I opted for the 70mm screening.

I saw T2 at the Cinerama Dome in CDS 70mm. I was completely blown away as the Cinerama Dome had the only full range surrounds I have ever heard. Bass was coming from everywhere, and it was clean as a whistle. The next day after seeing it I made an appointment with the theater manger for a tour of the dome. I just had to see what was behind the screen and what type of surrounds they used.

[Woochifer]

I saw T2 at the Cinerama Dome in CDS 70mm. I was completely blown away as the Cinerama Dome had the only full range surrounds I have ever heard. Bass was coming from everywhere, and it was clean as a whistle. The next day after seeing it I made an appointment with the theater manger for a tour of the dome. I just had to see what was behind the screen and what type of surrounds they used.

Interesting, because I'd never picked up on the range of the surrounds at the Dome's old sound setup (though I did notice how clean the bass was). I like watching movies there because they've always paid good attention to the presentation quality. But, until the recent renovation, I thought that the acoustics there were an issue. (Problem was worse at the Orange Cinedome, which had untreated wood domes for their two Cinerama auditoriums. I remember they used to roll out these giant EV horn speakers into the back of the theater for 70mm screenings)

I saw both Lawrence of Arabia and Apocalypse Now at the Dome, and those were absolutely spectacular on that Cinerama screen. Sometimes I think the Cinerama Dome would be better off as a repertory house, where they would put out a screening calendar and just roll classic films all the time.

[superpanavision70mm]

Oh I see, so now you have gone to the length of not just disagreeing with me about every petty thing that you can think of, but now you are trying to make the claim that I am some other person....that's pretty pathetic. I have been around the AR site for quite some time, but never crossed over to the actual forum part until more recently. I originally only posted in the photo gallery.

[Woochifer]

Oh I see, so now you have gone to the length of not just disagreeing with me about every petty thing that you can think of, but now you are trying to make the claim that I am some other person....that's pretty pathetic. I have been around the AR site for quite some time, but never crossed over to the actual forum part until more recently. I originally only posted in the photo gallery.

Nope, not claiming anything. Just noting some similarities in temperment and the "coincidental" timing of your appearance on this board just as Lex got banned. Either way, you're filling the role that Lex formerly occupied on the board rather nicely.

[dean_martin]

Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me - mini-me more laughs than the original.

Ace Ventura When Nature Calls - epic scale compared to Pet Detective. Nacho Libre tips it's hat to the opening scene of this classic.

(What was the criteria again?)

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me - mini-me more laughs than the original.

Ace Ventura When Nature Calls - epic scale compared to Pet Detective. Nacho Libre tips it's hat to the opening scene of this classic.

(What was the criteria again?)

Deano,
Tell me that you DIDN'T go see Nacho Libre!!!

[dean_martin]

Deano,
Tell me that you DIDN'T go see Nacho Libre!!!

I was backed into a corner. One of my sons and his friends wanted to go to a hardcore concert and I didn't feel comfortable with any of them going to see a band called KillWhitneyDead that uses bloody images of mangled bodies to promote its music and shows (getting a myspace account was the best thing I ever did for keeping up with what's going on with the kids) so I had to come up with something. It turned out to be fun.

And believe it or not I did actually see The Spy Who Shagged Me (got the theater's movie poster because it was the last night) and When Nature Calls and thought they were better than their first installments. (At least the Barney and Power Rangers days are long gone!)

[superpanavision70mm]

What was the context in which I said that to you Gmichael? If you are going to bring it up it might be important to get the exact text exchange. I don't remember the incident.

[GMichael]

What was the context in which I said that to you Gmichael? If you are going to bring it up it might be important to get the exact text exchange. I don't remember the incident.

Here ya go. It's not word for word. But the feeling was the same. Post 15

Oh, so you think you're high end?

[superpanavision70mm]

Someone has to keep the elitists in check.

[GMichael]

Someone has to keep the elitists in check.

For the record, I find your threads to be a lot of fun. Very creative.

Also,

T2: was a good movie. Great action. But T1 had more suspense for me. Every time you thought he was finally dead he got back up and kept coming. I'd have to rate them close to the same.

Same goes for Alien vs. Aliens. Both good movies. 2nd had more action. 1st had more suspense.

GF1 & GF2: Two was much better.
RW vs. 2: ditto

[superpanavision70mm]

ALIEN and ALIENS are almost like two radically different films. ALIEN is more of a Sci-Fi suspense film, while ALIENS goes for the more all-out Action w/ a bit of Horror to it. Then ALIENS3 turns more into a Horror/Suspense and ALIEN RESURRECTION goes for a more digital horror/action.

[bubslewis]

ALIEN and ALIENS are almost like two radically different films. ALIEN is more of a Sci-Fi suspense film, while ALIENS goes for the more all-out Action w/ a bit of Horror to it. Then ALIENS3 turns more into a Horror/Suspense and ALIEN RESURRECTION goes for a more digital horror/action.

Have to agree with you about ALIENS, although ROAD WARRIOR is up there close. Just two of the best sequels around. Funny thing is that I saw both of those sequels before I watched the first ones.

Any thoughts on any movies that could make for a great sequel but there hasn't been one?

[bubslewis]

Would remakes count here?

the original THE THING, a black and white sci-fi classic, was great. The remake of THE THING with Curt Russel, was just full of top notched nastiness.

Same movie title, same general theme, but totally different script, detail, and circumstances. Seems to me the remake would qualify as a sequel and get real high marks.

Bill

[GMichael]

How about the return of the return of the living dead. Two..

[kelsci]

T2 is a great sequel. I have scene it on pre-recorded tape and dvd. I also have the original laderdisc and the THX pan and scan laserdisc. I orginally found the videotape to be visually hard on my eyes to watch. The original laserdisc pressing was considered one of the best video quality laserdiscs produced. It is great. The FM analog sound is excellent while the digital sound is very good but that depends on your laserdisc player. The THX versions audio sounds exagerated on the midrange. I had vertical bars rolling on the THX version. The THX versions color had better correction than the original version. Grass had a bluish cast in the original version while being perfectly green in the THX version.

In the elevator scene in the mental hospital, there were many more nuances to the sound on the dvd as compared to the laserdiscs. I did not like the ex sound on the dvd.

Since I am a sort of a B type picture buff of a sort, I thought that FLASH GORDON'S TRIP TO MARS was a great sequel to the orginal FLASH GORDON film. I do find some "flaws" in the 2nd film as it relates to the first, but they are not too major. The third edition FLASH GORDON CONQUERS THE UNIVERSE does not connect as well as it should to the first two films, but stands well enough on its own merit.

FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE is certainly a sequel to DR NO. The character of Dr. No. is mentioned by Blofeld in FRWL. As far as a film goes, it is one class act and still looks great 44 years after I saw it. IMHO, one of the best films ever made.

I found the opinions made by the other AUDIOREVIEW members on this topic most interesting.

[superpanavision70mm]

First, remakes in this thread does NOT qualify as a sequel. Second, who is CURT Russell? Any relation to Kurt?