and I'm Lost all over again....

[Kam]

What was the name of the woman that Sayid was supposed to kill but instead helped escape? Was that Nadia?

ooooooooooooo i just got chills!! you're right!!! that's her!!!

[kexodusc]

ooooooooooooo i just got chills!! you're right!!! that's her!!!

Ok, that's 2 excellent back-to-back episodes with a promising 3rd one next week.

What the heck did we just see?

Was the drop package related to the delayed pressing of the button? (I believe the sirens had expired before Gale pressed it, the lights went ultraviolet and we say that cool map).

That map that Henry drew for Sayid and gang, anyone have a shot of that? I have a feeling we could superimpose it over the glowy wall map. Who draws a perfect map, anyway? Was that wall map radiation or something?

That Henry guy knows something, alright. I don't think he's on Other, but maybe he's after the same thing they are though?

So there's 4 discovered stations, and 2 missing ones? In an octagon? I'm stumped.

Season 2 has definitely passed Season 1 in terms of coolness now.

So let's recap...we've got a crashed ship (Rousseau's), a 2nd crashed ship (The Black Pearl) a crashed balloon, a crashed plane (two if you count Mr. Echo's brother's plane) so far all on that island. How did Desmond get there again?

[Kam]

well the only thing i picked up from the announcement on the intercom system was a countdown with the woman's voice. after the countdown, the walls dropped. i thought i picked up something along the lines of "everyone proceed to..." something-or-other. and then the countdown and then the "lockdown" ("lockedown"). then, (as fake-henry said) everything went dark for 10 seconds and then the lights came on. now there are certain inks that will only show up under blacklight, so it wasnt anything radiation related (i dont think, also see the Gone in 60 Seconds with nick cage, when they write the car names on the wall so it shows up with the blacklight). and i dont think that that was put there by dharma, but by one of the inhabitants of the hatch trying to figure things out.... (ala desmond) or, who knows. haha.

desmond, if i remember correctly, was on some worldwide catamaran type trip when his ship struck the island in a storm. some sort of solo-sail-around-the-world type deal.

the drop is interesting because noone heard a plane pass over the island. fine it was dark, so they wouldnt see it if it was flying with lights out, but it would still make noise? unless it wasnt a jet plane? the other big news is then... dharma is going on in "our" world here away from the island. it couldnt be entirely automated right? someone flew that plane and dropped the supplies. i'd have to say this is WAY more intricate than the stanford prison experiment.

[Kam]

ooooooooooooo i just got chills!! you're right!!! that's her!!!

wait... he helped two women in iraq i thought? or maybe it was just one. but i know he was helping the cia or whoeever in australia to get the information as to where nadia was. that was why he was on that plane, he was heading to the US to see her. but i cant remember if that was the same insurgent woman who he was supposed to torture but helped escape, or if nadia was his longtime love who he knew before that girl?

[kexodusc]

well the only thing i picked up from the announcement on the intercom system was a countdown with the woman's voice. after the countdown, the walls dropped. i thought i picked up something along the lines of "everyone proceed to..." something-or-other. and then the countdown and then the "lockdown" ("lockedown"). then, (as fake-henry said) everything went dark for 10 seconds and then the lights came on. now there are certain inks that will only show up under blacklight, so it wasnt anything radiation related (i dont think, also see the Gone in 60 Seconds with nick cage, when they write the car names on the wall so it shows up with the blacklight). and i dont think that that was put there by dharma, but by one of the inhabitants of the hatch trying to figure things out.... (ala desmond) or, who knows. haha.

desmond, if i remember correctly, was on some worldwide catamaran type trip when his ship struck the island in a storm. some sort of solo-sail-around-the-world type deal.

the drop is interesting because noone heard a plane pass over the island. fine it was dark, so they wouldnt see it if it was flying with lights out, but it would still make noise? unless it wasnt a jet plane? the other big news is then... dharma is going on in "our" world here away from the island. it couldnt be entirely automated right? someone flew that plane and dropped the supplies. i'd have to say this is WAY more intricate than the stanford prison experiment.

Well, I suppose a plane could have dropped the package from super-duper high altitudes. You don't always hear a jet if it's flying at 30,000 ft plus. But damn, that's some drop accuracy.

Maybe it was launched by rocket trajectory and used the 'chute to land within a certain radius?

Did Desmond use the computer to communicate with the outside like that old film reel said shouldn't be done? There was a significant amount of time delay in between the sirens ending, the UV lights engaging and things coming back on. I don't believe he told the truth and merely entered the numbers as per instruction.

[Kam]

Well, I suppose a plane could have dropped the package from super-duper high altitudes. You don't always hear a jet if it's flying at 30,000 ft plus. But damn, that's some drop accuracy.

Maybe it was launched by rocket trajectory and used the 'chute to land within a certain radius?

Did Desmond use the computer to communicate with the outside like that old film reel said shouldn't be done? There was a significant amount of time delay in between the sirens ending, the UV lights engaging and things coming back on. I don't believe he told the truth and merely entered the numbers as per instruction.

fake-henry totally did something with the computer (i think you meant fake-henry, not desmond). if someone has the episode, can check, but i thought waaay more than 58 seconds passed between when the siren stopped, the walls went back up, and locke crawled into the computer room to see the timer JUST flip from 108 to 107. which means henry might have typed the #s in, but also something else, since it didnt reset immediately (unless my timing is off and it works fine). PLUS... he knew those #'s, someone rattles off 6 random #'s to me in a stressful situation ONCE, and i know am not gonna have them memorized just like that. he may not be an Other, but he knows the #s. and he knows something about dharma. maybe "walt" talked to him on the pc too? they really got to tie that storyline back in soon.

[GMichael]

fake-henry totally did something with the computer (i think you meant fake-henry, not desmond). if someone has the episode, can check, but i thought waaay more than 58 seconds passed between when the siren stopped, the walls went back up, and locke crawled into the computer room to see the timer JUST flip from 108 to 107. which means henry might have typed the #s in, but also something else, since it didnt reset immediately (unless my timing is off and it works fine). PLUS... he knew those #'s, someone rattles off 6 random #'s to me in a stressful situation ONCE, and i know am not gonna have them memorized just like that. he may not be an Other, but he knows the #s. and he knows something about dharma. maybe "walt" talked to him on the pc too? they really got to tie that storyline back in soon.

Don't forget thjat FH also fell, hit his head, passed out, woke up later, and still remembered the numbers.

[kexodusc]

Whoops, yeah, I meant Fake Henry...That greasy evil bastard.

[Resident Loser]

...an astrophysicist named Henry Gale...and it was Dorothy's uncle's name, not the 'zardoz's...the old hob-nobber was Professor Marvel...

Given Locke's position and the fact that one of the doors' pins or spikes was embedded in his leg, I doubt he would have been in any position to provide the strength or leverage to raise it...

Who was the food drop for? Them or the others? Done with a glider?

Maybe Fake Henry didn't do anything...Wasn't it dark at that point? I mean those older CRT screens with few illuminated characters and a black or green background don't provide a lot of ambient lighting to really see the keyboard...add to that the panic factor...perhaps since the food drop and the door drop may have been connected, the test subjects would have been unable to enter the code and there is an auto reset for such an eventuality...all the PA noise and flashing lights might be a Dharma red herring to cover the fact, causing the occupants to surmise all the fireworks essentially re-booted the systems, to think no further, to simply count their lucky stars and to follow their directive re: code entry...of course that raises the question as to why it would be necessary to keep volunteers to the project in the dark, as it were, during a scheduled drop. That doesn't make sense...if you are of a mind to re-supply, shouldn't someone on the island have an idea of where to find the delivery?

Was the plane shot down? Was it hit by a supply delivery rocket? Is it all Fed-ex's fault?

jimHJJ(...will Hurley hurl from the rocks?...)

[GMichael]

...an astrophysicist named Henry Gale...and it was Dorothy's uncle's name, not the 'zardoz's...the old hob-nobber was Professor Marvel...

Given Locke's position and the fact that one of the doors' pins or spikes was embedded in his leg, I doubt he would have been in any position to provide the strength or leverage to raise it...

Who was the food drop for? Them or the others? Done with a glider?

Maybe Fake Henry didn't do anything...Wasn't it dark at that point? I mean those older CRT screens with few illuminated characters and a black or green background don't provide a lot of ambient lighting to really see the keyboard...add to that the panic factor...perhaps since the food drop and the door drop may have been connected, the test subjects would have been unable to enter the code and there is an auto reset for such an eventuality...all the PA noise and flashing lights might be a Dharma red herring to cover the fact, causing the occupants to surmise all the fireworks essentially re-booted the systems, to think no further, to simply count their lucky stars and to follow their directive re: code entry...of course that raises the question as to why it would be necessary to keep volunteers to the project in the dark, as it were, during a scheduled drop. That doesn't make sense...if you are of a mind to re-supply, shouldn't someone on the island have an idea of where to find the delivery?

Was the plane shot down? Was it hit by a supply delivery rocket? Is it all Fed-ex's fault?

jimHJJ(...will Hurley hurl from the rocks?...)

Is Forest Gump somewhere on the island?

[Resident Loser]

Is Forest Gump somewhere on the island?

...Robinson Crusoe?

jimHJJ(...tell ya' on Friday...)

[topspeed]

Now that's what I'm talkin' 'bout!

Great, great episode. Locke backstories are always awesome, although he had the mother of bad days! Losing your father, even if he is an a**hole (DeSoto didn't even thank him!), and your girlfriend/fiance in the same 5 minute span...hoo boy!

OK, question time:

1) Jack was in Thailand. Sawyer was in Thailand. Why? You just know they were both there at the same time. Also, this is the first we've had a real good look at Jack's tat, which even Sawyer noted. What is it and what does it mean? The poker episode was far too prevalent in the episode to be for naught. Jack's response as to why he didn't ask for the guns, "When I need the guns, I'll get the guns." was absolutely priceless.

2) Henry isn't Henry, unless of course he suddenly contracted Michael Jackson's pigment disease. So who is he, and who was the real HG?

3) The map. Clearly a diagram of what looks to be an underground, interlocking structure. Please tell me someone here can translate what looks to be latin. I gotta say, that whole scene was one of the coolest reveals this show has pulled so far. Locke pinned under the very door with a incandescent map, that's just great writing!

4) Locke's father nets $700k on a retirement scam. Very Sawyerish, eh? Kate could also have some ties into this as well. Lord knows she's no angel.

Man, I just loved that episode and the trailer for next week looks terrific too!

[Resident Loser]

...on the door could be grafitti from the Roman army...

It's latin and loosely translated is:

Sursum corda: Lift your hearts...

Credo nos in fluctu eodem esse: I think we're on the same wavelength...

Malum consilium quod mutari non potest: It's a bad plan that can't be changed...

Cogito ergo deleo: I think therefore I am depressed...

Hic sunt dracones: Here be dragons...

Ut sit magma, tamen certe lenta ira deorum est: The wrath of the gods may be great, but it is certainly slow...

jimHJJ(...pax vobiscum...)

P.S. Missed one... Aegrescit mendendo: the cure is worse than the disease...

[ForeverAutumn]

...Robinson Crusoe?

jimHJJ(...tell ya' on Friday...)

Remember this at the final episode, years from now....it's Captian Nemo.

Mark my words.

[kexodusc]

...on the door could be grafitti from the Roman army...

It's latin and loosely translated is:

Sursum corda: Lift your hearts...

Credo nos in fluctu eodem esse: I think we're on the same wavelength...

Malum consilium quod mutari non potest: It's a bad plan that can't be changed...

Cogito ergo deleo: I think therefore I am depressed...

Hic sunt dracones: Here be dragons...

Ut sit magma, tamen certe lenta ira deorum est: The wrath of the gods may be great, but it is certainly slow...

jimHJJ(...pax vobiscum...)

P.S. Missed one... Aegrescit mendendo: the cure is worse than the disease...

I continue to be amazed at the wealth of talents or very own Resident Loser has...

kexodusc
(...I think he has a shoe-phone, too)

[ForeverAutumn]

the test subjects would have been unable to enter the code and there is an auto reset for such an eventuality...all the PA noise and flashing lights might be a Dharma red herring to cover the fact, causing the occupants to surmise all the fireworks essentially re-booted the systems, to think no further, to simply count their lucky stars and to follow their directive re: code entry...of course that raises the question as to why it would be necessary to keep volunteers to the project in the dark, as it were, during a scheduled drop. That doesn't make sense...if you are of a mind to re-supply, shouldn't someone on the island have an idea of where to find the delivery?

I think that you're on to something here. Assume there is no Fake-Henry in the hatch. Locke is in there alone. The doors/walls come down, closing Locke into the living area and away from the computer. If Locke doesn't realize that he can crawl through the vents into the computer area (or is physically unable to do so), how does the button get pushed? What happens if it isn't pushed? Do the doors/walls coming down suspend the need for the button? We know that it doesn't suspend the countdown. You would think that whoever was running this show (and by "show" I mean the Dharma experiment), would time the lockdown so that there was no risk to the button being pushed. The walls should come down just after 108 and back up before 0. It just doesn't make sense that the walls coming down would risk the integrity of the button. Something isn't right here. Is it a flaw in the story line? Or will this miss-step amount to something?

[ForeverAutumn]

Is there any way that the food drop could have been done by balloon?

[kexodusc]

I think that you're on to something here. Assume there is no Fake-Henry in the hatch. Locke is in there alone. The doors/walls come down, closing Locke into the living area and away from the computer. If Locke doesn't realize that he can crawl through the vents into the computer area (or is physically unable to do so), how does the button get pushed? What happens if it isn't pushed? Do the doors/walls coming down suspend the need for the button? We know that it doesn't suspend the countdown. You would think that whoever was running this show (and by "show" I mean the Dharma experiment), would time the lockdown so that there was no risk to the button being pushed. The walls should come down just after 108 and back up before 0. It just doesn't make sense that the walls coming down would risk the integrity of the button. Something isn't right here. Is it a flaw in the story line? Or will this miss-step amount to something?

Hmmm, interesting theory folks.

I'm guessing that voice that was picked up might be the clue here. Perhpas the lockdown was triggered by another source, another Dharma bunker on the island somewhere? But what's the purpose of the lockdown then? What are the blast doors protecting against?

[ForeverAutumn]

Here's something else to mull over. The map had six Dharma Stations on it. Four are solid lines, two are made from dotted lines. Why? Do two of them no longer exist?

How many have the Losties found? Three? The Swan, the one the Tailies were in and the medical station. Is that all?

[kexodusc]

Here's something else to mull over. The map had six Dharma Stations on it. Four are solid lines, two are made from dotted lines. Why? Do two of them no longer exist?

How many have the Losties found? Three? The Swan, the one the Tailies were in and the medical station. Is that all?

Maybe those dotted lined stations haven't been found yet, hence the question mark in the photo on one, and the fact it doesn't have a line drawn to it like the others in the Pentagon shape.

Notice how there's one scribbled out, and that there appears to be one at almost every corner of the Octagon shape? Curious....

[ForeverAutumn]

Maybe those dotted lined stations haven't been found yet, hence the question mark in the photo on one, and the fact it doesn't have a line drawn to it like the others in the Pentagon shape.

Notice how there's one scribbled out, and that there appears to be one at almost every corner of the Octagon shape? Curious....

That map JPG link has gone through a serious overhaul since last night. When I first posted the link it was just a screen print of what was on the wall. But now, someone's done an awful lot of work to decipher it. Here's the link again so that you don't have to go back to the previous page...

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x17/blastDoorMap.jpg

Kex, my first response to you was going to be that if the dotted line stations haven't been found then how would whoever draw the map know that they were there? But on second thought (so many possibilities!) it's possible that the person was guessing. The Orientation Video did say that there were six stations, so maybe the locations of two dotted line stations are guesses based on the locations of the other four.

[Resident Loser]

I continue to be amazed at the wealth of talents or very own Resident Loser has...

...reading is the easy part, translating is a whole nother thing...and while I could continue to bask in the (undeserved) glory, I must confess that although I was subjected to at least 12 years of Roman Catholic services celebrated in latin and actually studied it for three years in high school, Cicero I'm not...

Hic sunt dracones: Here be dragons... is something I picked up from an interest in old maps (really,really old) and their artwork...

Pax vobiscum: Go in peace...from that Catholic upbringing...

Cogito ergo deleo: I think therefore I am depressed...I'm more familiar with the phrase upon which this is based...Cogito ergo sum: I think therefore I am...the philisophical statement of one of the cornerstones of western rationalism, Rene Descartes (1596-1650)...and trust me, I'm much more comfortable (and familiar) with the following than with actual philosophy and philosophers:

The Philosopher's Song

Immanuel Kant was a real pissant
Who was very rarely stable

Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
Who could think you under the table

David Hume could out consume
Schopenhauer and Hegel

And Wittgenstein was a beery swine
Who was just as schloshed as Schlegel

There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ya
'Bout the raising of the wrist
Socrates, himself, was permanently pi$$ed...

John Stuart Mill, of his own free will
On half a pint of shandy was particularly ill

Plato they say, could stick it away
Half a crate of whiskey every day

Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle
Hobbes was fond of his dram
And René Descartes was a drunken f@rt
"I drink, therefore I am"

Yes, Socrates, himself, is particularly missed
A lovely little thinker
But a bugger when he's pi$$ed

jimHJJ(...the internet can actually be of some value at times...)

[topspeed]

Good Googly Moogly, Jim! You speak Latin! Will wonders ever cease?

So tell us, oh knowlegeable one, what does the one in the center of the map say?
Nil actum reputa si quid superest agendum
Something about not going against an agenda? Inquiring, and apparently less educated, minds want to know!

FA,
Ooh, I like the balloon drop idea! Could the real HG have been there dropping off a supply parachute?

The new map is crazy, too. Cerberus, isn't that a mythological dog or something? Maybe this is where they were doing experiments on animals, which might explain why there is a polar bear and black stallion here. There are notes of zooligical research and gene therapy. The tyrannasaurus thingie that ate the pilot must be the "dracones" they are referring to, no?

BTW, note the "final resting place of Magnus Hanso, Blackrock." Wasn't something hidden under black rocks, too? Was it Charlie's drugs? Hurley's food? A letter for telling Red how to find Andy in Mexico?

[kexodusc]

Good Googly Moogly, Jim! You speak Latin! Will wonders ever cease?

So tell us, oh knowlegeable one, what does the one in the center of the map say?
Nil actum reputa si quid superest agendum
Something about not going against an agenda? Inquiring, and apparently less educated, minds want to know!

FA,
Ooh, I like the balloon drop idea! Could the real HG have been there dropping off a supply parachute?

The new map is crazy, too. Cerberus, isn't that a mythological dog or something? Maybe this is where they were doing experiments on animals, which might explain why there is a polar bear and black stallion here. There are notes of zooligical research and gene therapy. The tyrannasaurus thingie that ate the pilot must be the "dracones" they are referring to, no?

BTW, note the "final resting place of Magnus Hanso, Blackrock." Wasn't something hidden under black rocks, too? Was it Charlie's drugs? Hurley's food? A letter for telling Red how to find Andy in Mexico?

I take a peep at that map and it's gone postal on me. I wonder if 20 years from now Losties will be as fondly remembered as Trekkies are?

I wonder if the show's producers/writers ever expected the collective intelligence of millions of viewers using employer resources to decipher the messages in that map?

[Kam]

woh that's eerie... i thought cerberus was the 3 headed dog that guarded the gates of hell so the dead couldnt leave... and they've got a "primary nexus of cerberus related activity"??? the island has a gate to hell!? snap!

and it just keeps getting better: there was a Dharmatel Telecom Services (the link to their website is now been changed to some gaming site). used for long distance phone communication. ("Dharmatel Telecom Services - providing direct phonecalls and Callback Services" - off of a google search a former netherlands phone company. is "hanso" dutch?)

the weather project stuff might relate to the balloon and the original Henry Gale. anyone have a screenshot of that drivers license?
edit: http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x17/galeLicense.jpg