Quote Originally Posted by RGA View Post
Smokey

Go to a pawn shop that has a 30 day return policy and pick one up cheap.
But, given how low Blu-ray player prices have gotten, how much money would you really save at a pawn shop? And the units being sold at a pawn shop are likely older models that might have more compatibility problems than ones more recently made.

Quote Originally Posted by RGA
I would definitely recommend my Sony PS3. My friend has a rather expensive $200 Blu-Ray and the thing is SOOOO SLOOOOOOOW to read the disc and get going. The PS3 is fast very fast. I am kind of convinced that the PS3 is much better built.
I agree on the PS3, but the more recent standalone Blu-ray players have made great improvements in their load times compared to the first couple of generations.

The first generation PS3 was overbuilt to an extreme, and as a result those units were very reliable (unlike the early Xbox 360s that were plagued by overheating and motherboard failures). Rumor is that even though those consoles originally cost $600USD, Sony still lost close to $300 on each unit sold. Subsequent revisions have cut costs, removed features, consolidated separate circuits into integrated chips, and substantially reduced the energy consumption.

Quote Originally Posted by RGA
Consider the average user of a PS3 - 12 year old boy who beats the crap out of them - they play games for 8 solid hours day in and day out. Sony can't possibly be making any money on them - they make it on the games.
Welllllll, actually the average age for a regular gamer is 35 years old, and the heavy video game purchasers average 41 years of age. The video game industry generates more revenues than movie theaters, and 12 year old boys alone cannot support that kind of spending.

http://www.theesa.com/facts/index.asp

With all the internal redesigns on the PS3, and drastic price drops on core components such as the Cell processor and BD drive, Sony is purportedly now making a decent profit on each PS3 console. They have room for a price reduction, and I would bet that will accompany their upcoming revised version (reduced CPU footprint and lower power requirements, which means lower weight power supply and smaller parts overall).

Quote Originally Posted by RGA
If Sony would put real audio outputs on the back - put back in their SACD ability I would pay another $100 easily. I wish they would come out with more variety in machines - PS3 and a PS3 Mk II SACD, and a PS3 Super Deluxe Edition.
That ain't gonna happen. Sony removed the SACD capability from the PS3 with the very first revision. It wasn't really that functional to begin with, given that it was limited to two-channel analog output from their AV output jack.

But, the PS3 remains a very versatile media server, and is purportedly quite adept at transcoding the various audio formats to high res PCM.