My new DAC

I just purchased the Marantz NA-11s1.

Marantz NA-11S1 Reference Network Enabled DSD DAC **B-STOCK** at Music Direct

Marantz Reference NA-11S1 Network Audio Player/DAC | Stereophile.com

Congrats! That's seems like a very impressive and versatile piece of equipment. Update us on your further conclusions.

Thanks!

I will post a review once it is broken in and I have my BAT preamp back in action. I am replacing the 12 out put capacitors. Hopefully I will have the preamp back by next week. I have a friend that is replacing them for me. BAT wanted $75 a cap but I bought the same caps direct from Jensen in Denmark for $20 each.

Looks like it's going to be time for another shoot out, with the Marantz included.

I will have another shoot out in May. I am hoping that the Marantz will be the last piece of the puzzle. I was also considering the Cary DAC-100t, a tube DAC but it does not do DSD and there were a couple of user reviews where guys had both the Marantz and Cary and they ended up keeping the Marantz.

The Marantz I bought was a B stock and discounted for $1000 off. It was a no brainer to buy it. If I don't like it I can sell it for what I paid as used ones are going for about $2500 which is what I paid for it.

I have been resisting computer based music as I like the no hassle of putting a CD in a player without having to fire up the computer (although, this will make me buy a SS hard drive for instant on) , scroll through menu's and play lists. I doubt that I will ever get rid of spinning disc's. When I come home from work and I want to listen to music I can have it going in 30 seconds then crash on the sofa. However, I recently bought JRiver and have downloaded some Blue Coast music.

Congrats. It will be interesting to see how the 11s does against the other DACS

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I have been resisting computer based music as I like the no hassle of putting a CD in a player without having to fire up the computer (although, this will make me buy a SS hard drive for instant on) , scroll through menu's and play lists. I doubt that I will ever get rid of spinning disc's. When I come home from work and I want to listen to music I can have it going in 30 seconds then crash on the sofa. However, I recently bought JRiver and have downloaded some Blue Coast music.

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Personally I wonder with an 'network player' of this sort could work for me. As a classical music listener almost exclusively, I deal with multi-movement works so selecting single "songs" and random play are basically useless. Construction permanent playlists is also pretty useless. Further, I like to be able to have variety of music search approaches.

Wrangling discs is a process I've always disliked -- that goes back to the pre-CD LP days, and was probably the biggest single reason I abandoned LPs for CDs, (even though early CDs and CDPs sounded no better, if as good, as LPs). There is still disc handling in case of CDs though it much, MUCH less of a hassle.

So for me I really want the power of a flexible, full-scale UI that Foobar2000 or JRiver can provide. For me it seems effectively faster to boot my computer and use Foobar to locate the compositions I want to suit my current mood.

Be this as it may, the Marantz looks like a great DAC. I note in the Stereophile review that John Atkinson suggest that a USB link to a computer gives the best result vs. S/PDIF or Ethernet.

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Personally I wonder with an 'network player' of this sort could work for me. As a classical music listener almost exclusively, I deal with multi-movement works so selecting single "songs" and random play are basically useless. Construction permanent playlists is also pretty useless. Further, I like to be able to have variety of music search approaches.

Wrangling discs is a process I've always disliked -- that goes back to the pre-CD LP days, and was probably the biggest single reason I abandoned LPs for CDs, (even though early CDs and CDPs sounded no better, if as good, as LPs). There is still disc handling in case of CDs though it much, MUCH less of a hassle.

So for me I really want the power of a flexible, full-scale UI that Foobar2000 or JRiver can provide. For me it seems effectively faster to boot my computer and use Foobar to locate the compositions I want to suit my current mood.

Be this as it may, the Marantz looks like a great DAC. I note in the Stereophile review that John Atkinson suggest that a USB link to a computer gives the best result vs. S/PDIF or Ethernet.

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I read that about the USB cable giving the best connection to the DAC also. That's how I have my laptop hooked to my Bryston BUC-1 and then AES/EBU cable from the BUC-1 to the BDA-1 DAC. I was surprised when I read that as I never considered a USB port as top of the line connection.

I will be using the digital coax input to play my CD's. Eventually I will rip music to a NAS.
The differences in sound quality are going to be subtle at best from user reviews that I have read.

I was skeptical of computer audio when I first got into it and now almost all I use is my desktop computer running a USB connection to my PS Audio DAC and this is my preferred way of playing music now. It kills my other options in sound quality and is easy to use. If you really get into computer audio and are a windows user I would highly recommend Fidelizer from WindowsX website. The guy that designed the software is a computer guy and an audiophile and he believes that windows with help from his software is the way to go. I totally believe since I run it and my system now sounds way above its price class. Fidelizer is easy to use and it shuts down processes that are not for audio while you are running it and when you are done just restart the computer and you are back to normal.

Harley....thanks for the infor about Fidelizer ...I will look into it.

Ravin, congrats on the new NA!....what processor are you using? I can have my computer on and playing music in less than 30 seconds....but its a dedicated computer for music only...nothing else but down loads. I've thrown my CDP out as DSD 128 is tops.

Frenchmon, where did you throw that CDP?

Frenchmon, I am running a Core Duo P9500 CPU at 2.53gHz with high speed ram and a gaming GTX 9800 video card running 64bit Vista. It was a SOTA custom built lap top computer a few years ago. It still runs well and turns on in 30 seconds. I have more modern computers with windows 7 and 8 but this one still works fine. The windows 8 computer turns on in about 12 seconds. Adding a SS drive will boot up this computer in about 15 seconds.

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Frenchmon, where did you throw that CDP?

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I was going to sell it, but wife wanted it for her office

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Frenchmon, where did you throw that CDP?

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Just remember that DSD takes one heck of a strong processor. At least an i5 with 3.3 GHz, 6 MB cache, and at least 8 GB memory. Going from the P9500 to an i5 will like going from a 4 cylinder to a 8 cylinder....the extra power/processing will be heard and felt in your system.

I went from a AMD A8 4500 to an Intel i5 and was floored at the difference.

You can check your CPU's benchmark here.

PassMark - Intel Core2 Duo P9500 @ 2.53GHz - Price performance comparison

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Just remember that DSD takes one heck of a strong processor. At least an i5 with 3.3 GHz, 6 MB cache, and at least 8 GB memory. Going from the P9500 to an i5 will like going from a 4 cylinder to a 8 cylinder....the extra power/processing will be heard and felt in your system.

I went from a AMD A8 4500 to an Intel i5 and was floored at the difference.

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Wow! Well I guess I won't worry about DSD while I'm still using my old AMD Athlon. BTW, it will handle 24/192 PCM just fine.

Feanor.....DSD has a sample rate of 2822.4 kHz. It is 1 bit,(closer to vinyl than PCM will every be) and is very difficult to process...especially if one bi passes DoP and go native DSD.

if one doesn't have a capable strong processor...especially in native, he will have lots and lots of drop outs and buffering.

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Feanor.....DSD has a sample rate of 2822.4 kHz. It is 1 bit,(closer to vinyl than PCM will every be) and is very difficult to process...especially if one bi passes DoP and go native DSD.

if one doesn't have a capable strong processor...especially in native, he will have lots and lots of drop outs and buffering.

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Yes, but the (single) DSD rate of 2822.4 kHz or 5,644,800 bps (2 channel) can be compared with PCM 24/192's rate of 9,216,000 bps. We might also consider the a 1.5 GHz, 64 bit processor handles up to 96,000,000,000 bps.

Eventually I will upgrade my laptop but it is not a priority. I have a laptop with a higher end I3 that I can use.

I think I found a way to stream wireless with this MoCA and using a NAS controlled by my laptop.

https://www.actiontec.com/257.html

It connects to my Cable for TV and will connect to the Marantz via ethernet cable.

For DSD I will need to connect via usb cable directly though

I just did some checking on DSD and my current laptop. There are people using lesser processors and some work fine and others don't. I have a feeling that this computer will do OK. It was custom built and has a high end motherboard, 4 gigs of very fast high quality ram and a high end video card that handles all the graphics and it does not share the computers ram. It was a $2,200 computer. Plus I dont have much running in the background. I can always turn off the antivirus and malware programs when playing.

Of course, I won't know until I try though.

Hi Ravin...Let me know how the MoCA works out for you.

Have you got this one? Lots of good music in there.

https://www.nativedsd.com/

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Hi Ravin...Let me know how the MoCA works out for you.

Have you got this one? Lots of good music in there.

https://www.nativedsd.com/

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Thanks for the tip, I will have to check out the music.

I will probably buy the MoCA in May, once I have had some time with the Marantz and decide if I want to keep it. I have 60 days. It just arrived today.

Cool...cant wait to read your first impressions!

Raven....whats the word on that new Marantrz DAC?

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Raven....whats the word on that new Marantrz DAC?

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He must be enjoying it, I'd say. We haven't heard a peep from him since he got it. Not even a review on Axpona.

I'd say you're spot on!

Sorry for not posting sooner. I have been very busy with work and then the trip to Axpona. My computer also died, the GPU crapped out on my laptop and can't be replaced. I am going to pick up a new one thursday. In addition, I had my BAT preamp recapped so it was out of action for several days as all 12 output caps in the 6 packs were replaced.

So here's my review of the Marantz. It was not a good match for my system which was unfortunate because the build quality was superb. The sound was another issue. It was way too forward and in your face. Bass was too pronounced. I had to turn off my sub and even then it still sounded like the sub was on. The midrange was recessed and the lower treble was in your face. Female vocals were too forward. The sound was very uneven. I did like the 2 filters. Filter one gave a more airy sound and filter 2 was more focused and analog sounding. The only other thing I liked about the Marantz was the texture of piano, guitars and vocals. They were excellent. The decay of the piano just went on forever especially with filter 1.

I tried the Marantz with my Van Alstine preamp first since the BAT was getting worked on. I figured things would improve with the BAT but it only made things worse as the BAT has great dynamics and powerful bass. So I returned it to Music Direct and it is going to cost me about $130.

I have narrowed my choices for a DAC to the Cary Audio 200ts ( I can get a good deal on this new DAC which has a switch on the fly SS and Tube output stage), Auralic Vega as it sounded great at Axpona and the PS Audio Direct Stream which I would buy used.

Blackraven, I liked the DSD DAC but trust me when I say it's not a good match for you. It's pretty much opposite of everything you want, except for detail. The DSD is not overly analytical to where it's not enjoyable but I think it would be more than you would enjoy.

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Sorry for not posting sooner. I have been very busy with work and then the trip to Axpona. My computer also died, the GPU crapped out on my laptop and can't be replaced. I am going to pick up a new one thursday. In addition, I had my BAT preamp recapped so it was out of action for several days as all 12 output caps in the 6 packs were replaced.

So here's my review of the Marantz. It was not a good match for my system which was unfortunate because the build quality was superb. The sound was another issue. It was way too forward and in your face. Bass was too pronounced. I had to turn off my sub and even then it still sounded like the sub was on. The midrange was recessed and the lower treble was in your face. Female vocals were too forward. The sound was very uneven. I did like the 2 filters. Filter one gave a more airy sound and filter 2 was more focused and analog sounding. The only other thing I liked about the Marantz was the texture of piano, guitars and vocals. They were excellent. The decay of the piano just went on forever especially with filter 1.

I tried the Marantz with my Van Alstine preamp first since the BAT was getting worked on. I figured things would improve with the BAT but it only made things worse as the BAT has great dynamics and powerful bass. So I returned it to Music Direct and it is going to cost me about $130.

I have narrowed my choices for a DAC to the Cary Audio 200ts ( I can get a good deal on this new DAC which has a switch on the fly SS and Tube output stage), Auralic Vega as it sounded great at Axpona and the PS Audio Direct Stream which I would buy used.

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Sorry the Marantz didn't work out for you. I'll be routing for the Cary, as it is on my short list, if I ever decided to replace my Bryston. I was a little confused when you said you were returning the Marantz to Music Direct and it would cost $130. Is that shipping and handling?

Jack, the return shipping with insurance was $89. I will also have to reimburse Music Direct for the free shipping to me.

Mr.P, what DSD DAC are you talking about?

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Jack, the return shipping with insurance was $89. I will also have to reimburse Music Direct for the free shipping to me.

Mr.P, what DSD DAC are you talking about?

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Is that the way other online companies work that have 30 day in home trials?

Sorry, PS Audio Direct Stream. I'm used to calling it the DSD (Direct Stream DAC) but DSD has a more broad meaning now, I need to keep that in mind, LOL

Sorry the Marantz didnt work out for you. The Cary DAC sounded better with the SS option rather than the Tube option.

Peabody.....I thought the DSD DAC was rather nice! It wasn't as aggressive as the Lampizator...its a tad laid back. It might be a great DAC if Raven wants all his music to do DSD as it doesnt do PCM.

And how has DSD become to mean something else other than Direct Stream Digital?

Raven...this may be of use to you if you're wondering about a few DAC's.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...qQTNfVUE#gid=0

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Raven...this may be of use to you if you're wondering about a few DAC's.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...qQTNfVUE#gid=0

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Nice spreadsheet Frenchmon. I have to print it out and make sure I take it with me when I go DAC auditioning.

I get a feel for what people like, just as on that day I predicted you'd like the Lampizator better and Dave would prefer the PS Audio, and, it worked out that way.

The Direct Stream wasn't "laid back", it was very quick and dynamic, it just wasn't as forward or large of a sound stage as the Lampi. I liked the PS Audio as well, I think if Blackraven didn't like the 11s, the PS Audio is moving in the wrong direction to where he wants to be.

With all that, I have yet to see any one not like the Bricasti which is one of the quickest, hardest hitting DAC's I've heard, it just happens to do it with a tremendous pace and timing, musicality..

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I get a feel for what people like, just as on that day I predicted you'd like the Lampizator better and Dave would prefer the PS Audio, and, it worked out that way.

The Direct Stream wasn't "laid back", it was very quick and dynamic, it just wasn't as forward or large of a sound stage as the Lampi. I liked the PS Audio as well, I think if Blackraven didn't like the 11s, the PS Audio is moving in the wrong direction to where he wants to be.

With all that, I have yet to see any one not like the Bricasti which is one of the quickest, hardest hitting DAC's I've heard, it just happens to do it with a tremendous pace and timing, musicality..

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And price tag.

Mr. P, I found that the Marantz was too fast. I like a little slower pace. My BAT preamp and Pass amp are fast and hit hard. In fact, since I recapped the BAT the music is much more dynamic and detailed. It sounds like a different preamp. Bass is deeper and faster ( I had to turn down the sub a bit). The music is fuller with much more body and texture. Low level listening is better. Treble is more detailed with a bit more air. The preamp is more musical. I would say the before the recap that I was getting about 85% of the sound that I am getting now.

My point of all this is that the Marantz was too dynamic and the sound was very uneven, so I want a DAC that is musical and detailed with some warmth to the sound. I want a huge sound stage and a midrange that has both transparency and depth like the Bricasti. Speed is not an issue with my system, especially with my Magnepans.

That's great the caps made that much improvement for the BAT.

Come on jack, if you are going to play, you have to pay, LOL

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That's great the caps made that much improvement for the BAT.

Come on jack, if you are going to play, you have to pay, LOL

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There's pay and there is PAY. I'm on Social Security so it takes a little longer to pay to play.

The Bricasti cost's $9,000 which is a little much considering it weighs only 9 pounds. The Marantz weighed in at about 25lbs and the Cary that I am looking at weighs 28lbs. Maybe less is more but not when it comes to the cost of parts and labor. But the Bricasti sounds awesome and magical. The Bricasti room at Axpona used $30K Tidal speakers. It was the best sounding system that I have ever heard, even better than the $130K Wilson Audio and Ayre system that I heard last year. Some systems can do things better than the Bricasti-Tidal room but the overall sound and listen-ability was captivating. I don't know of any one that did not love that room.

Mr. P, the new caps in the BAT takes the premamp to another level. I bet that it sounds like it was supposed to when it was brand new and was considered one of the worlds best preamps by Stereophile back in 2003-2004. I truly cannot believe the sound I was missing. Even my son is amazed and can't stop listening to it. And what is amazing is that the caps are not fully broken in yet. I only have about 30 or so hours on them and it takes about 100hrs to reach their full potential.