Proof of placebo effect ?

[Pat D]

I read my base post again, and I still think you have tried to read between the lines, and speculate on my motives rather than just going by the content of post. I will try to clarify my position.

Suppose the difference in two cables heard by a listener can't be verified objectively through measurements or blinded testing. The placebo effect may or may not play a part in this discrepency. Accepting the discrepency does not necessarily mean accepting the placebo effect as an explanation.

What I have just tried to explain has been my position all along. You may have overlooked my 12-17-03 reply to Dr. Jeff's 12-16-03 post. Here is what I said: "I agree you can question any claim I make about hearing differences in cables without mentioning even the possibility of the placebo effect."

Then why mention placebo effect in the first place? How do you conceive the placebo effect? And how does it become an explanation?