Quote Originally Posted by Mr Peabody
I still believe there are aspects of sound changes that simply cannot be measured...
Like what?

What else is going on in our audio equipment beyond changes in voltage and current over time? And that we can measure from DC to RF and down to the thermal noise produced by a length of wire.

So what's going on that would escape measurement?

I do agree though, no matter what comes out on paper I'm not taking my cables out to be replaced by budget cables, I heard the improvement, I heard I still prefer my current brand over others I've tried in my budget.
And I for one am not suggesting you do otherwise. I'm all for people using whatever gives them the greatest pleasure and enjoyment.

I suppose there are others who are just the opposite who are convinced there couldn't possibly be any difference so no matter what is said their mind won't change.
I disagree.

You can't expect their minds to be changed if you never give them any compelling reason to. And simply insisting that there are audible differences isn't terribly compelling.

There have been members here though who have changed positions after at least being convinced to try for themselves. If one at least tries for themselves then I respect their opinion no matter how it turns out.
But what's the point? If you can't adequately demonstrate that there's an actual audible difference, then what use is it for someone to try it for themselves? Even if they say they do perceive some difference, that does nothing to establish whether or not there is an actual audible difference.

And, to be fair a lot of it is experiences and whether we own the type of gear that would allow one to hear a difference.
How can you say this unless you've first established that there are actual audible differences?

We still have those who believe CD players or amps sound the same so it's no surprise cables are a contraversy.
And why would you expect them to change their beliefs when no one to date has established actual audible differences between CD players or amps?

A lot of this is what measurements are shown on paper, so they think why would a $300.00 player that measures 20-20kHz sound any different than a $3k with same specs..... I know why there's a difference but if one can't get past the measurements or be open minded about a cable how will they believe there's a difference in analog output stages.
I don't know that anyone's arguing that there are no differences in analogue output stages. What's at issue is whether or not those differences are sufficient to actually be audible.

I used to be really bothered by the arguments but I figure if one is truly interested they will try for themselves and, if not, possibly their loss. I can only relay my experiences for what they are worth.
Interested in what exactly?

It's one thing to be interested in what sounds best to oneself, whatever the reasons for it may be.

It's another to be interested in whether or not there are actual audible differences.

And the former does not establish the latter.

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