do speaker cables make a difference???

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Originally Posted by ToddB

... and it was easy enough to hear differences between the cables, even at this low level of resolution.

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Didn't mean to slight your system, but I was taking a conservative approach for the theorists and parrots here who don't get it.

rw

An impressive looking setup E-Stat. What is that little box with two knobs just below the preamp?

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Originally Posted by Norm Strong

An impressive looking setup E-Stat. What is that little box with two knobs just below the preamp?

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Thanks, Norm.

It is a Para-Metal enclosure with a pair of DACT CT-2 stepped attenuators for use with the CDP. I rather like its passing resemblance to the Levinson JC-2. While my Audio Research SP-9MKIII is a nice preamp, it's line stage shrinks the soundstage and reduces resolution as compared with not using it at all. I use the preamp for my vinyl source only for where its high gain is useful with a MC cartridge.

Similarly, I use a $15 DIY Radio Shack parts-sourced attenuator box in my garage system between a Pioneer PD-54 and a Threshold Stasis 3 amp driving a pair of second gen Advents. It uses another pair of spare ARC knobs that ironically cost more than the attenuator itself!

rw

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Originally Posted by RGA

If you're not on the fence you're wrong. Fact = no one has proven an audible difference with DBT's --- FACT = DBTs are not the answer in psychological testing. Therefore, both sides will never solve the issue because both sides do not understand psychological testing or validity. One side uses no science to back up their claim and the other side uses science ineptly to discredit the other. A DBT in its very definition cannot prove A=B no matter how they want to weasal around it that is a fact.

Thus you better be on the fence.

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What is the source of your misinformation? DBT is the ONLY scientifically acceptable way to test perception. No scientific test can "proove" anything, but it certainly is useful in determining that people can't generally distinguish cables (IC or speaker). They, like the base note writer, SAY they can, but they simply can't when levels are matched and they don't know which is which by looking.

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Originally Posted by E-Stat

Didn't mean to slight your system, but I was taking a conservative approach for the theorists and parrots here who don't get it.

rw

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I know, I just didn't want anyone thinking that they had to resign themselves to using crappy cables because their gear isn't good enough. I've replaced cables in a system that consisted of a mass market and low cost receiver and CD player, and 15-20 year old Pioneer full-range speakers, and the improvements over the old cables were still audible and worthwhile. What's great is that non-audiophiles who've heard these systems before and after the cable changes have also been able to hear the improvements with the new cables. I guess nobody had ever told them that they weren't allowed to hear any audible improvements from just a cable change.

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Originally Posted by ToddB

What's great is that non-audiophiles who've heard these systems before and after the cable changes have also been able to hear the improvements with the new cables. I guess nobody had ever told them that they weren't allowed to hear any audible improvements from just a cable change.

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I suppose this is somehow better than a testimonial on TV? Why would they be exepmt from human gullibility? Or the basic humand need for changes whether one took place or not?
I don't suppose you confirmed this observation with bias controlled listening, right?

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Originally Posted by mtrycraft

I suppose this is somehow better than a testimonial on TV?

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You are free to give my comments as much or as little credence as you like.

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Why would they be exepmt from human gullibility? Or the basic humand need for changes whether one took place or not?

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Why would they be exempt from acknowledging reality is the more relevant question. As to how any "basic humand need" factored into what they heard, I'm not as comfortable playing freelance psychologist as you apparently are, so I won't venture a guess. I suppose you'll have to ask them if you really want to know.

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I don't suppose you confirmed this observation with bias controlled listening, right?

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No, my bias prevents me from being that anal about evaluating the sound of audio components.

Why would they be exempt from acknowledging reality is the more relevant question.

That is the question. Acknowlidging reality is not easy at times. Some just cannot accept this and believe that every experience is reality. Wrong.


As to how any "basic humand need" factored into what they heard, I'm not as comfortable playing freelance psychologist as you apparently are, so I won't venture a guess.

No need to guess. Just a bit of knowledge on human perceptions, human belief system, bias, gullibility, etc.

I to have heard noticeable difference's when changinging from a heavy gauge monster cable to a higher end cable. When swapping out the monster with kimberkable the differece's were immediate(dependant on cable line). The soundstage opened up and the bass cleaned up,with pitch instead of the boom that the monster offered.However, the cable cannot produce miracle's. The rest of your component's should be up for the task at hand aswell.Remember ,your system is only as good as your weakest link.:9:

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Originally Posted by henry lee

I to have heard noticeable difference's when changinging from a heavy gauge monster cable to a higher end cable. When swapping out the monster with kimberkable the differece's were immediate(dependant on cable line). The soundstage opened up and the bass cleaned up,with pitch instead of the boom that the monster offered.However, the cable cannot produce miracle's. The rest of your component's should be up for the task at hand aswell.Remember ,your system is only as good as your weakest link.:9:

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Welcome and I agree cables can make a difference. Of course this thread is very old. You might want to start a new thread.
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yes, this is an old thresd... but

the best cables should get out of the way of the sound.