Thanks Tommy! I took home the Thorens on a trial basis. They guy told me to live with it for 2 weeks. He did not ask for any money. It is in excellent condition and sounds great with the cheap Ortofon Red cartridge. My only issue with it is the spring suspension. The platter and the tone arm are coupled to a spring suspension and it is not very forgiving of my wood floors. Just walking by makes it bounce, so I may have to go with the Pioneer which has a less sensitive suspension system. The Pioneer looks high tech compared to the Thorens and seems very well built. The Pioneer is heavy and sits in a metal chassis.

Tommy, there are several stores here in the Twin Cities that sell vinyl and one store sells only vinyl. There is a huge market here for TT's and vinyl. The 2 needle doctor stores here sell a lot of TT's.