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    New Toy: VPI HW-19 Mk4

    Took me about an hour to unpack and 30 minutes to setup.
    The dusk cover arrived cracked. It's too bad because the seller packed it extremely well.

    Anyhow, the turntable sounds very liquid.
    I've moved all of gear to the back of the room awhile back, so feedback is not an issue.
    Not sure how much the platter weights but it feels like it weighs more than my Technics.



    I may call in sick tomorrow.

    Have Fun,
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    I like those. What prompted this move?

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    An SME arm, I am impressed. Would love to hear it. You are right I need another turntable. Is it the AT 440 mounted in the tonearm? Beautiful!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 02audionoob
    I like those. What prompted this move?
    Lack of emotion from the Technics.
    Don't get me wrong I still love the Technics for rock solid sound but I felt that I need to go with a suspended turntable to create fluid sound.
    I'm still keeping one of my SL-1200s to collect dust.

    JRA

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    Very, very nice. Like Noob said, did we miss that you were looking at an upgrade to your analog side? I did. My Music Hall dealer is also a VPI dealer and he was really hitting me with the hard sell for a Scout. Give us some more details when you can tear yourself away from that beautiful piece of equipment. Congrats.
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    Pro-ject SE II (Phono Box)
    Rotel RCD-1072 (CD Player)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnMichael
    An SME arm, I am impressed. Would love to hear it. You are right I need another turntable. Is it the AT 440 mounted in the tonearm? Beautiful!
    I've had the SME for a while on my Technics SL-1200mk2.
    When I found the original Mk4 with SME mount, I didn't hestitate to grab one.
    I'm still keeping the stock SL-1210mk5G for future mods. But I think the SME looks better on this TT. You have a great arm so if I was in your position, I would spend your entire budget on a TT with Rega mount.
    I really like the AT 440mla. It tracks nicely. I don't really hear the problematic surface noise everyone talks about. I have a LOMC on its way, but I may just keep the AT on for a while.

    Have Fun,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack in Wilmington
    Very, very nice. Like Noob said, did we miss that you were looking at an upgrade to your analog side? I did. My Music Hall dealer is also a VPI dealer and he was really hitting me with the hard sell for a Scout. Give us some more details when you can tear yourself away from that beautiful piece of equipment. Congrats.
    Thanks.
    I've been eyeing the Mk4 for a while, but I've never pulled the trigger fast enough.
    It gets grabbed pretty fast. It was a hard decision though. I couldn't decide between the AVID Volvere, Acoustics Solid Challenger, and Pro-Ject RM10.1. With money saved over mentioned 3, I decided to get a LOMC and phono preamp from Audiogon. I think I did good.

    Does your dealer have the original Scout or the new Scout with an aluminum platter and tapered tonearm? I have yet to hear the Scout2 and I really wanted to get it over the Mk4, but I felt I needed a suspended TT since I already have non-suspended decks. We always need something different, you know? Sounds like your dealer isn't pushing you hard enough...

    Thanks again,
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrhymeammo
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    I really like the AT 440mla. It tracks nicely. I don't really hear the problematic surface noise everyone talks about. I have a LOMC on its way, but I may just keep the AT on for a while.

    Have Fun,
    JRA
    Congrats on the new table JR. I've always wanted a VPI. This one looks like it's in very nice condition, too bad 'bout the lid.

    The 440 is a fantastic tracking cartridge, I've yet to hear any break up on anything I've thrown at it. As far as the surface noise goes, I don't hear any excess or exaggerated noise levels on mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrhymeammo
    Thanks.
    I've been eyeing the Mk4 for a while, but I've never pulled the trigger fast enough.
    It gets grabbed pretty fast. It was a hard decision though. I couldn't decide between the AVID Volvere, Acoustics Solid Challenger, and Pro-Ject RM10.1. With money saved over mentioned 3, I decided to get a LOMC and phono preamp from Audiogon. I think I did good.

    Does your dealer have the original Scout or the new Scout with an aluminum platter and tapered tonearm? I have yet to hear the Scout2 and I really wanted to get it over the Mk4, but I felt I needed a suspended TT since I already have non-suspended decks. We always need something different, you know? Sounds like your dealer isn't pushing you hard enough...

    Thanks again,
    JRA
    He had an original setup in one room, but it was heavily moded out. He's good, because he always takes your old stuff back in trade. Are you going to get another dust cover?
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    Nice JRA....I think I would be calling off work as well. She sure is a looker. I betcha she sounds just as nice. So whats the rest of your setup now? And what kinda cables do you use with your TT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luvin Da Blues
    The 440 is a fantastic tracking cartridge, I've yet to hear any break up on anything I've thrown at it. As far as the surface noise goes, I don't hear any excess or exaggerated noise levels on mine.
    It really is a good cartridge. You can grab one for not much more than $100, so I think it's one of the best value in audio. I don't have to worry about LP condition and still get excellent sound. Unplayable LP is different, but unplayed LP is just a waste, you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack in Wilmington
    He had an original setup in one room, but it was heavily moded out. He's good, because he always takes your old stuff back in trade. Are you going to get another dust cover?
    The shipper will be working with FedEx to recover the cost. I hope he'll be able to work on it promptly. The replacement seems to be around $160 from VPI. I may just get one before they discontinue the item.

    JRA

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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchmon
    Nice JRA....I think I would be calling off work as well. She sure is a looker. I betcha she sounds just as nice. So whats the rest of your setup now? And what kinda cables do you use with your TT?

    frenchmon
    Hey Frenchie,
    I'm using the orignal VDH 501 cable supplied with the SME.
    It offers nice RFI/EMI shield and great connection.
    I've thought about getting a pair of Furutech AG-12, but the VDH works just fine so I think it'll stick with it.

    Here is my current gear from my profile.

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    *Modded Magnepan MMG

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    *Legend Audio Design Linestage
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    *Mr. Liang KT88 Integrated Amp

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    *Hagerman Cornet 2 w. heavy mods.
    *ISOkinetik B1
    *K&K Premium MC Step-Up (LL1931)

    Analog Source
    *VPI HW-19 Mk4
    *SME 309
    *Technics SL-1200 mk2 with SME mount
    *Technics SL-12105G (Stock)
    *Edmund Optics M6 Sorbothane Feet
    *Composite Products Anti-Vibration CF-2010

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    *Benz Micro L2
    *Lyra Clavis
    *Transfiguration Temper Supreme
    *Denon DL-110
    *Audio Technica 440MLa
    *Shure M97E

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    *Marantz SA-8001
    *ISOkinetik B1

    Power Conditioner
    *Versalab Wood Blocks (Phono Pre and CDP)

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    *Audio Technica ATH-AD1000
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    I'm playing some hard hitting hiphop right now, and the depth of bass and its control is excellent. I basically got this TT to play Jazz and Classical, but it doesn't seem to be picky on musical genres. I'll post a review once my initial excitement wears off.

    Have Fun,
    JRA

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    Wow, nice toy!! Damn it looks nice. Welcome to "Club Suspended" where Analog Ave. ends. Just sell the 1200 cuz you won't be going back to that sound for critical listening, i can promise you. A good idea would be to set up the 1200 as part of a ripping chain, into a comp or laptop.

    I would suggest doing some close listening around your weight. A familiar LP with it on and off. Most suspended designers frown on weights. If you must have it, make sure you level the suspension WITH the weight ON.

    I am a bit envious, but only a bit. Hey nice SACD player...

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    This sweetheart of a turntable is officially the Analog Room's big news to beat for 2011.

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    mmmmmmmm tasty! i had an hwIII/sme IV for a while. had it been with your arm, i would still have it. i DO prefer a removable headshell so i can easily swap headshells/carts. when i played kraftwerk's 'autobahn' on it, i finally GOT the record. that is i more appreciated it as prior to that i had found it only lukewarm as compared to say-electric cafe. with the vpi it became more vital.

    i see the ring, is it the ttweights or vpi ? i might be on the hunt for a good mc for affordable money were i you. this is an arm that would get the most from a mc. an oc9, or as john elison just stated on AA, his denon DL-S1 from comet supply (the price is super!, its just been a long wait for him as with others who may have gone another route by now). the sme will however extract the best a 440 can deliver.

    http://www.cometsupply.com/pm/DNNDLS1/

    its not that i dont like the 440, i was one of the first users, but that denon would be a real step up.

    jack-if the scout isnt significantly less than the classic, i might suggest the classic but its not my money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hifitommy
    mmmmmmmm tasty! i had an hwIII/sme IV for a while. had it been with your arm, i would still have it. i DO prefer a removable headshell so i can easily swap headshells/carts. when i played kraftwerk's 'autobahn' on it, i finally GOT the record. that is i more appreciated it as prior to that i had found it only lukewarm as compared to say-electric cafe. with the vpi it became more vital.

    i see the ring, is it the ttweights or vpi ? i might be on the hunt for a good mc for affordable money were i you. this is an arm that would get the most from a mc. an oc9, or as john elison just stated on AA, his denon DL-S1 from comet supply (the price is super!, its just been a long wait for him as with others who may have gone another route by now). the sme will however extract the best a 440 can deliver.

    http://www.cometsupply.com/pm/DNNDLS1/

    its not that i dont like the 440, i was one of the first users, but that denon would be a real step up.

    jack-if the scout isnt significantly less than the classic, i might suggest the classic but its not my money.
    He had a demo Classic that he was trying to get me to bite on for $1900. It had a Shelter 201 cart mounted on it. I wasn't familar with the cart, so I passed. The Scout was $1800 and he was going to throw in either a Dynavector or Grado cart and I don't remember the models.
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    Pro-ject SE II (Phono Box)
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    Thanks guys,

    Poppa - Where the analogue avenue ends? In this hobby? I hope not but I can assure you I got a huge smile. That's a great advise on added weight on suspended designs. I don't always use the periphery ring or clamper/weights.
    I only use it when I need to. Plus the platter weighs +/- 20lbs so I'm not too concerned about added 500grams. I'm will be selling the Technics I used, but I'll be hanging on to the Mk5G.

    Noob,
    Thanks man. I'm interested in getting sorbothane isolator, SAMA, and some brass cones, but I think I'll just enjoy the deck as is. Do you have experience with one of the HW-19s?

    Tommy,
    I bet the SME VI was one hell on an arm. But as you stated, what sold me on the 309 was the removable headshell. I'm sure the arm's rigidity has been sacrificed a bit, but I doubt I'll ever be able to tell the difference.
    As for the cartridge, I think the AT works just fine. It doesn't have the air LOMC offers, but considering the cost, I think this is a compromise I can easily live with.
    But I do prefer LOMC over MM carts. I got a NOS Benz Micro L2 on its way, but currently snowed in at Branson MO. I hope to have it by next weekend. Even if it doesn't work out, I still have 2 other LOMC to play with.

    Have fun,
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrhymeammo
    Noob,
    Thanks man. I'm interested in getting sorbothane isolator, SAMA, and some brass cones, but I think I'll just enjoy the deck as is. Do you have experience with one of the HW-19s?
    Just an admirer. I toyed with the idea of buying one with no arm when I was shopping for my current turntable. I still look whenever I see an ad for one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poppachubby
    Wow, nice toy!! Damn it looks nice. Welcome to "Club Suspended" where Analog Ave. ends. Just sell the 1200 cuz you won't be going back to that sound for critical listening, i can promise you. A good idea would be to set up the 1200 as part of a ripping chain, into a comp or laptop.

    I would suggest doing some close listening around your weight. A familiar LP with it on and off. Most suspended designers frown on weights. If you must have it, make sure you level the suspension WITH the weight ON.

    I am a bit envious, but only a bit. Hey nice SACD player...
    what do you mean critical listening??? That ends after you decided that was what you where looking for...after that its all just pleasurable music...being moved by the tunes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrhymeammo
    Took me about an hour to unpack and 30 minutes to setup.
    The dusk cover arrived cracked. It's too bad because the seller packed it extremely well.

    Anyhow, the turntable sounds very liquid.
    I've moved all of gear to the back of the room awhile back, so feedback is not an issue.
    Not sure how much the platter weights but it feels like it weighs more than my Technics.



    I may call in sick tomorrow.

    Have Fun,
    JRA
    Just thought I'd bump this to the top...it's so purty!
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    Hot damn, holy shizzle...Jayra got a new toy! I don't know how I missed this thread but nice work my friend. That looks like a splendid purveyor of black wax...
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    Thanks MAYN!!

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    Hey Frenchie,
    What's the status on your MMF-7.1? A curious mind wants to know.

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