Old School Pre

[E-Stat]

Far better that the Elite alone which runs through the same
amps and subs in in front 2 channel.

that simply means that the Yamaha's line stage is better than the Pioneer's. No surprise here. I remember hearing the Yamaha B-2 VFET power amp and the matching C-2. They were excellent in their day.

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[BRANDONH]

that simply means that the Yamaha's
line stage is better than the Pioneer's. No surprise here.
I remember hearing the Yamaha B-2 VFET power amp
and the matching C-2. They were excellent in their day.
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Interesting about the line stage I have been trying to
come up with some reasoning as to why something as
old as this C-4 can sound so good compared to the
mega buck preamps of today.

After a wonderfully musical listing weekend
shoot I Tried to play every record I have lol
I am so stoked over this unit I want to tell the whole
world about it.
It seems that Yamaha really built a super high quality
unit back in the day even my CD's sound analog.
I would say that this unit sounds more like tubes
than transistor its very warm, detailed and totally involving.
Plus it drives my amps like nothing before has ever driving them
with absolute authority and total speaker control.
The sound stage is beyond anything I ever expected from
my system, now there is real air around the instruments
and vocals and a defined holographic stereo imaging.
I have skipped some of my favorite new run TV shows just to
keep listening to music something I have not done
in quite some time.
This unit brings back the sound of vinyl like I remember
how records used to sound in a way I have not experienced
since I was a kid.
My system did do a great job with vinyl through the NAD C-162
but the C-4 has that sound I remember music to sound like...
a wave of emotions came back when playing
my records even the ones I play most frequently.

So my thinking is that today's electronics reproduce music in a very different
way than they did in the 70's? (calling the in experts)
and I don't know what or how its different just that its different
in ways I have no words for.
To me it seems now that after listening to the C-4 for the past few
weeks that the magic that spark has somehow been lost in the
translation, so to speak, and over time I too had forgotten how vinyl
or any reproduced music for that matter is/was supposed to sound.
I'm sure many will say that "new and improved" is just that!

So hopefully I will come down from the cloud I have been an float
soon.
Yeah sorry for the wide screen pic.
I just wanted to post a high quality image of a true classic.

Bravo Yamaha bravo!

[E-Stat]

Interesting about the line stage I have been trying to
come up with some reasoning as to why something as
old as this C-4 can sound so good compared to the
mega buck preamps of today.

Well, my comments were in regard to the NAD. Don't get me wrong - I have a NAD AV receiver that does a fine job. On the other hand, it is not in the same league as the Audio Research preamp I use which was only $2500 in its day. A current VTL 7.5, ARC Reference 3, Conrad-Johnson ART would considerably outperform yours and mine alike.

So my thinking is that today's electronics reproduce music in a very different way than they did in the 70's?

Only the current consumer grade stuff.

Some day, you might try building a simple set of attenuators and drive your amps directly with no preamp. I use my pre strictly for vinyl only where I need the gain and RIAA equalization. With the CD source, the image shrinks and some resolution is lost. A preamp cannot *improve* the signal coming from a source - only degrade it.

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