New Emotiva Reference amps

[TheHills44060]

So ... you're the perennial Emotiva basher, but we knew that.

Get it right...the perennial Emotiva Amp basher ;-). I have never commented on any of their other products as I have no first hand experience with them. I really do not care for their amps.

I don't agree Emotiva markets to the "uneducated", their specs given are as thorough as any one out there and more so than most, to my knowledge they have always fulfilled their spec claimed.

Good point Peabody. I just think that many of their amplifier buyers don't know and don't care what the specs mean.

[E-Stat]

I just think that many of their amplifier buyers don't know and don't care what the specs mean.

Given that most of them in no way relate to the audible performance, I don't care about them for the most part either. Having said that, I do look for some specs to avoid.

1. Amps with extremely low THD (0.00x something) with correspondingly high damping factors. That clearly means the designer has taken the easy way to generate impressive numbers on test tones via NFB which sacrifices its ability to respond in the time domain. I find them amusical sounding.

2. Amps with extremely low input impedance - say <20k ohm which makes them harder to drive, especially with tube preamps.

One metric I do find important (usually absent) is power supply stiffness in joules. All the best amplifiers in my experience have large power supplies with nearly 1 joule per watt (or more).

[amphandle]

TheHills4406, You are making uneducated statements about a product you know nothing about and is not helpful to others in this respect. I own many different audio equipment that cost many more times the cost of Emotiva and the brand is made of quality and well manufactured from start to end. They are infact so good that I've bought several of their top line pre-amps, amps, and CD-Player because of the sound quality surpassing some of my more expensive gear. You do sound like a perennial Emotiva Amp basher when you make such an uneducated comment when you have no first hand experience with their products. There are many educated people who have made wise decision to give Emotiva a chance with their products, you may not really care for their amps but other people do!
Please try and be more helpful with your comments to help others learn what their products are like so they can make decisions based on educated knowledge of their products who have first hand experience using Emotiva. Thank You!

TheHills4406 said:

Emotiva markets their amps to the uneducated and those who most desperately want "separates" at the lowest cost no matter what the quality.

Get it right...the perennial Emotiva Amp basher ;-). I have never commented on any of their other products as I have no first hand experience with them. I really do not care for their amps.

[Mr Peabody]

I would certainly be interested in knowing which "more expensive" brands Emotiva outperformed in your opinion.

TheHills4406, You are making uneducated statements about a product you know nothing about and is not helpful to others in this respect. I own many different audio equipment that cost many more times the cost of Emotiva and the brand is made of quality and well manufactured from start to end. They are infact so good that I've bought several of their top line pre-amps, amps, and CD-Player because of the sound quality surpassing some of my more expensive gear. You do sound like a perennial Emotiva Amp basher when you make such an uneducated comment when you have no first hand experience with their products. There are many educated people who have made wise decision to give Emotiva a chance with their products, you may not really care for their amps but other people do!
Please try and be more helpful with your comments to help others learn what their products are like so they can make decisions based on educated knowledge of their products who have first hand experience using Emotiva. Thank You!

TheHills4406 said:

Emotiva markets their amps to the uneducated and those who most desperately want "separates" at the lowest cost no matter what the quality.

Get it right...the perennial Emotiva Amp basher ;-). I have never commented on any of their other products as I have no first hand experience with them. I really do not care for their amps.

[TheHills44060]

TheHills4406, You are making uneducated statements about a product you know nothing about and is not helpful to others in this respect. I own many different audio equipment that cost many more times the cost of Emotiva and the brand is made of quality and well manufactured from start to end. They are infact so good that I've bought several of their top line pre-amps, amps, and CD-Player because of the sound quality surpassing some of my more expensive gear. You do sound like a perennial Emotiva Amp basher when you make such an uneducated comment when you have no first hand experience with their products. There are many educated people who have made wise decision to give Emotiva a chance with their products, you may not really care for their amps but other people do!
Please try and be more helpful with your comments to help others learn what their products are like so they can make decisions based on educated knowledge of their products who have first hand experience using Emotiva. Thank You!

Did you not read my entire post amphandle!?!? You said 3 different times that i know nothing and am uneducated about Emotiva. I clearly stated that I HAVE experience with their amps just not with any of their other products like dacs, preamps, speakers, interconnects, etc... Those other pieces of equipment may be the best on this Earth, I wouldn't know. Good lord learn how to read before you call someone out.

I'm elated you are pleased with your Emotiva purchases however I have not had the same experience in my opinion. YES my opinion. Am I not entitled to one simply because it doesn't match your own? I know that when I am researching a product I want to hear the good and the bad completely unfiltered but my own ears are the judge and jury. People like you who get offended because someone doesn't like a piece of kit they have really needs to get out of the house some more and smell the concrete. Sure I would love to have a high quality and musical sounding piece of gear at reduced prices, who wouldn't? I hoped Emotiva was the ticket back then but for me their amps were utter disappointments no matter what price point they were at. I threw several speakers at them from PSB, Martin Logan, Vandersteen, Castle Acoustics, Cervin Vega and no dice. Not to mention they are total eyesores as well. In the end I moved on and there are others who share my point of view and others who don't which is perfectly fine and expected.

Its a phenomenon that so many Emotiva owners (not all) consistently get bent out of shape so easily. I don' know whether to laugh or to pity those folks. Thank you!