Sub for my bedroom?

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  • 03-02-2006, 12:45 PM
    L.J.
    Does GM know women or what! Odds are, she's gonna go on a little shopping spree soon and I can't say nothing about it. Not that I usually do, but this time she may have a few more bags than normal. As long as one of those bags say Victoria Secrets, I could care less how much she spent. That's a house rule ;) . Anymore tips and I'm gonna have to charge.....

    My C-1's should be coming today. I will try not to :D as I open the box and just play it :cool: .
  • 03-02-2006, 01:40 PM
    GMichael
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by L.J.
    Does GM know women or what!

    Unfortunately, I know that no matter how cute and cuddly they seem to be, they always have a dark side. When my wife first saw it snow (she's from the Philippines) she asked me how the wild animals would survive. What will the squirrels & birds eat? She even asked if we could leave the downstairs door open for them to come in and get warm. Now that's adorable. But I would put money on, that if we were walking in the woods, and I got my leg caught in a bear trap, that she'd laugh till she couldn't walk. And after she wiped the tears from her eyes she's tell me what an idiot I was. "That trap has probably been there for weeks. All the bears were smart enough to walk around it. But you? No, you have to step right in it. How stupid are you anyhow?" Then she'd tell me that I probably expect her to go for help now. She was all ready for a nice walk and now she has to drop everything and go get her idiot husband help. This will cost me. Now I owe her.



    Quote:

    Originally Posted by L.J.
    Odds are, she's gonna go on a little shopping spree soon and I can't say nothing about it. Not that I usually do, but this time she may have a few more bags than normal. As long as one of those bags say Victoria Secrets, I could care less how much she spent.

    Vicky S huh? Go shopping babe. I'll even go with her (my wife, not yours). There are always a few hot babes there checking out something. But there may also be one of those 400 pounders holding up a G-string that looks like a bull whip. No honey! Put that down! Now back away from the table. Slowly turn and leave the store. Why do they make those in that size anyhow?



    Quote:

    Originally Posted by L.J.
    My C-1's should be coming today. I will try not to :D as I open the box and just play it :cool: .


    Good luck. Keep your head down. But keep an eye out for what's to come.
  • 03-02-2006, 05:03 PM
    thekid
    "Then she kinda gave me a look and that was the end of that. So I guess it went better than I thought it would."

    Think of that "look" as a display mode.....
    Inside the brain is calculating the appropriate measured response at a time and date to be determined.
    Upon detonation ( if you are able to survive the initial blast wave ) you will have 30 seconds to take action. Choose carefully your action or those will become very expensive speakers that you will be paying for for years to come..... :)
  • 03-03-2006, 06:26 AM
    L.J.
    You guys are funny! :D I'll have to have my wife read this for kicks.....well after I get my speakers of course.

    Dang UPS!!! Never showed up with m C-1's yesterday. :mad:
  • 03-08-2006, 05:45 PM
    L.J.
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    Kex, I started on my sub kit but when I got to the amp mounting part, I discovered that the amp does not sit flush inside the precut amp cutout. If you look at the pic, you'll see that the left side is flush but the right is out about a 1/4". This couldn't be right. Whaddaya think? I can't call PE until the morning.
  • 03-08-2006, 08:44 PM
    PAT.P
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by L.J.
    Kex, I started on my sub kit but when I got to the amp mounting part, I discovered that the amp does not sit flush inside the precut amp cutout. If you look at the pic, you'll see that the left side is flush but the right is out about a 1/4". This couldn't be right. Whaddaya think? I can't call PE until the morning.

    LJ did you measure the amp plate to see if its bigger ,if not might need a bit of pressure to push it in.Dont screw it until its flush all around.Looks at an angle from here.Good luck
  • 03-08-2006, 09:10 PM
    L.J.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PAT.P
    LJ did you measure the amp plate to see if its bigger ,if not might need a bit of pressure to push it in.Dont screw it until its flush all around.Looks at an angle from here.Good luck

    I tried to push it down with no luck. I may pick up a router at Home Depot tomorrow so I can smooth out the edges on the precut. I don't wanna ship this back to PE and have to go through another UPS fiasco again. I'll call PE tomorrow to see what they say.
  • 03-08-2006, 09:35 PM
    PAT.P
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by L.J.
    I tried to push it down with no luck. I may pick up a router at Home Depot tomorrow so I can smooth out the edges on the precut. I don't wanna ship this back to PE and have to go through another UPS fiasco again. I'll call PE tomorrow to see what they say.

    Good luck! Any of your friend have one?A Router Zip would work fine too.Make a template(patern of amp plate) on carboard and center it.
  • 03-09-2006, 03:20 AM
    kexodusc
    LJ, you've been having some bad luck this week.
    These are made for PE by some machine shop as I understand it. I've never heard of anything not fitting (you'd see complaints on PE's forum if it were common), and mine certainly fit perfectly.

    I think I'd be more inclined to use a Dremel tool and sand it down, but a router would work. Just be carefull.

    When I flush mount my plate amps, I almost always spend 30 minutes of minor surgery. I take a utility knife or chisel to the cutout for the plate amp and remove just enough MDF for it to fit, then sand it flush. Depends how far off the cutout it is. I can't really tell by the picture. I find the countersunk amp cutout to be the toughest cut on a sub. Lots of DIYers don't bother.

    What bit would use on the router? Is the cutout big enough? A bearing flush trim bit won't be any good to you if it's too small, and flush trim bit could end up taking too much off. That might be worse.

    This should be very easy to fix without a router, but might take a bit of time and frustration...that's the fun part of DIY...You should see how many speaker cabinets I've launched out my shop in frustration :D

    You could call PE. I'm very certain they'd do what it takes to make things right. Downside is the wait time, and extra cost for a shipping upgrade. Fixing this yourself might be easier. Your call.
  • 03-09-2006, 07:09 AM
    L.J.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kexodusc
    LJ, you've been having some bad luck this week.
    These are made for PE by some machine shop as I understand it. I've never heard of anything not fitting (you'd see complaints on PE's forum if it were common), and mine certainly fit perfectly.

    I think I'd be more inclined to use a Dremel tool and sand it down, but a router would work. Just be carefull.

    When I flush mount my plate amps, I almost always spend 30 minutes of minor surgery. I take a utility knife or chisel to the cutout for the plate amp and remove just enough MDF for it to fit, then sand it flush. Depends how far off the cutout it is. I can't really tell by the picture. I find the countersunk amp cutout to be the toughest cut on a sub. Lots of DIYers don't bother.

    What bit would use on the router? Is the cutout big enough? A bearing flush trim bit won't be any good to you if it's too small, and flush trim bit could end up taking too much off. That might be worse.

    This should be very easy to fix without a router, but might take a bit of time and frustration...that's the fun part of DIY...You should see how many speaker cabinets I've launched out my shop in frustration :D

    You could call PE. I'm very certain they'd do what it takes to make things right. Downside is the wait time, and extra cost for a shipping upgrade. Fixing this yourself might be easier. Your call.

    Kex, your post got me thinking so I said the hell with the router. I pulled out a utility knife and some precision cutting tools and after about 30 mins of labor it finally fit snuggly into place. Seems that two of the corners were not properly cut out so I had to go over those corners a few times.
  • 03-09-2006, 07:23 AM
    GMichael
    Dude! Speakers in, sub almost ready. Sounds like you are almost ready for lift-off.
    T-minus 25 and counting...........
  • 03-09-2006, 07:26 AM
    kexodusc
    Glad it worked out...dude, that $140 I just saved you, we can split it :ihih:

    I know flush mounted amps look cool on the back of the sub, but I don't know why we go to all that trouble...they work just as well sticking out a 1/4 an inch.
  • 03-09-2006, 09:41 AM
    L.J.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kexodusc
    Glad it worked out...dude, that $140 I just saved you, we can split it :ihih:

    I know flush mounted amps look cool on the back of the sub, but I don't know why we go to all that trouble...they work just as well sticking out a 1/4 an inch.

    I think for most guys, being off by a 1/4 in looks more like being off by 6 in.
  • 03-09-2006, 12:39 PM
    L.J.
    Quick question for anyone. What the heck are those little arrows on sub woofer cables for?
  • 03-09-2006, 12:52 PM
    GMichael
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by L.J.
    Quick question for anyone. What the heck are those little arrows on sub woofer cables for?

    They indicate the direction the electrons flow when in use. :yikes:
  • 03-09-2006, 01:02 PM
    kexodusc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GMichael
    They indicate the direction the electrons flow when in use. :yikes:

    Except you could you plug it in backwards and electrons will still flow against the direction of the arrow. My understanding is the arrows are pointing at the grounded RCA, the other one is lifted...theoretically it could reduce noise with some gear I guess, most gear won't exhibit any difference, but depending who you believe there are either very minor, or no benefits what so ever. Can't hurt, I guess. I had mine plugged in backwards for 2 years. Didn't sound any different when I corrected it.
  • 03-09-2006, 01:59 PM
    L.J.
    I'm all done!!!
    Finished the sub this morning. Pretty simple to put together. I still gotta tweak. I did give this baby a U57-1 test drive and BAM!!!!, this bad boy can hit hard. Plenty, and I mean plenty of bass. Room was filled nicely. This is a keeper. Thanks for all the advice guys. :cornut:
  • 03-09-2006, 02:20 PM
    GMichael
    Can't hear it here yet. Can you turn it up a little?
  • 03-09-2006, 06:35 PM
    kexodusc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by L.J.
    Finished the sub this morning. Pretty simple to put together. I still gotta tweak. I did give this baby a U57-1 test drive and BAM!!!!, this bad boy can hit hard. Plenty, and I mean plenty of bass. Room was filled nicely. This is a keeper. Thanks for all the advice guys. :cornut:

    Sounds like you're happy so far...I'm sure you'll love this sub. I foresee it being the first of many DIY projects...seriously, I haven't heard a sub for the price that comes close in output and sound quality other than competing kits. And I don't think there's many of those out there.
    Next up, a BFD to get you all eq'd...Enjoy.
  • 03-10-2006, 01:53 AM
    Alpha 846
    Can I Add A Question Here?
    I am new here and have read this thread with interest. I also will be looking for a sub for my bedroom soon. About the same dimensions 11x13x9'ceiling. I currently have an Energy ES-8 which I like very much. However, I will be selling it with the whole Take 5 system (that's a diff. story).

    This 10" Titanic sounds like a great buy (I read the Wes Philips review). However, I have a problem with arthritic hands and think I might have a problem with a kit. I was looking at the LFM-2 from Outlaw at $299 if anyone is familiar with it. I simply want to know if you guys think this might be in the same class as the Titanic? I would then pursue researching it further.

    http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfm2.html

    Maybe I should be asking my question in a new thread? Wasn't sure since this is sort of connected.

    My apologies if I shouldn't be posting this question here. Thanks for any help or direction.
  • 03-10-2006, 06:20 AM
    GMichael
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Alpha 846
    I am new here and have read this thread with interest. I also will be looking for a sub for my bedroom soon. About the same dimensions 11x13x9'ceiling. I currently have an Energy ES-8 which I like very much. However, I will be selling it with the whole Take 5 system (that's a diff. story).

    This 10" Titanic sounds like a great buy (I read the Wes Philips review). However, I have a problem with arthritic hands and think I might have a problem with a kit. I was looking at the LFM-2 from Outlaw at $299 if anyone is familiar with it. I simply want to know if you guys think this might be in the same class as the Titanic? I would then pursue researching it further.

    http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfm2.html

    Maybe I should be asking my question in a new thread? Wasn't sure since this is sort of connected.

    My apologies if I shouldn't be posting this question here. Thanks for any help or direction.

    Hi Alpha,

    Welcome to AR.
    I don't know about the Outlaw. Never heard it. But for a few extra $$ you can get a pre-assembled kit from PE. Here are a few to choose from.
    http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage....up_ID=620&SO=2
  • 03-10-2006, 06:50 AM
    kexodusc
    Alpha
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GMichael
    Hi Alpha,

    Welcome to AR.
    I don't know about the Outlaw. Never heard it. But for a few extra $$ you can get a pre-assembled kit from PE. Here are a few to choose from.
    http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage....up_ID=620&SO=2

    Judging by the specs alone (which generally do tell the whole story when it comes to subs), I think there are better options for the money than Outlaw. Outlaw makes good amps and are very popular for HT solutions (receivers, preamp/processors), but those subs look rather mediocre. I think you could do better elsewhere.

    Those small Parts Express subs are comparable, and a lot cheaper, too. A Titanic would be a whole other ball game.
  • 03-10-2006, 10:15 AM
    L.J.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kexodusc
    Sounds like you're happy so far...I'm sure you'll love this sub. I foresee it being the first of many DIY projects...seriously, I haven't heard a sub for the price that comes close in output and sound quality other than competing kits. And I don't think there's many of those out there.
    Next up, a BFD to get you all eq'd...Enjoy.

    Kex, your already trying to pressure me into spending more $$$$. I'm telling wifee on you :hand:
  • 03-10-2006, 12:10 PM
    PAT.P
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by L.J.
    Kex, your already trying to pressure me into spending more $$$$. I'm telling wifee on you :hand:

    Kex get your hands out of his pockets :ihih:
  • 03-10-2006, 12:27 PM
    Alpha 846
    Thanks much for your replies.
  • 03-10-2006, 02:43 PM
    L.J.
    The bad luck continues!
    First I was screwed by UPS, then I have to do surgery to my PE subwoofer cabinent.

    Well last night i ran my auto setup on my Onkyo and the dang mic decided it couldn't hear the surround speakers. I ran it maybe 5 or 6 times and it kept putting the surrounds as none although there were test tones coming from them. I will try it again tonight to see if I can get it going. Not sure if the problem would be the mic or the Onkyo.

    Anybody else have problems with their auto setup?
  • 03-10-2006, 03:09 PM
    kexodusc
    I find them all pretty fussy, but never had that happen before. Is there a setting that has to be switched on, perhaps?
  • 03-10-2006, 03:17 PM
    L.J.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kexodusc
    I find them all pretty fussy, but never had that happen before. Is there a setting that has to be switched on, perhaps?

    No. You put the setup mic in and the AVR recognizes it and starts the setup process after you click enter on the remote. It worked fine the first time I tried it but I didn't like the results so I ran it again. Test tones went through each channel as normal but the results came back as no surrounds. I ran it a few more times and then turned it off and tried a half hour later with the same outcome.
  • 03-10-2006, 04:49 PM
    L.J.
    Hmm....I just gave it another test run and it worked fine this time, go figure. I just don't trust these things. Measurements seem ok but I'm gonna triple check. It would be nice if it got it right the first time and had the same results each time. I still gotta lot of tweaking to do.
  • 03-10-2006, 04:50 PM
    GMichael
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by L.J.
    No. You put the setup mic in and the AVR recognizes it and starts the setup process after you click enter on the remote. It worked fine the first time I tried it but I didn't like the results so I ran it again. Test tones went through each channel as normal but the results came back as no surrounds. I ran it a few more times and then turned it off and tried a half hour later with the same outcome.

    My Yammie was a little tempra-'mentle' last time I ran the auto-setup. It left out the rears even though tones were coming from them. I ran it again with the same results. Tried a 3rd time and everything was fine. Didn't press my luck, and just sent the settings to memory. Tweeked them after that.
  • 03-10-2006, 05:07 PM
    L.J.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GMichael
    My Yammie was a little tempra-'mentle' last time I ran the auto-setup. It left out the rears even though tones were coming from them. I ran it again with the same results. Tried a 3rd time and everything was fine. Didn't press my luck, and just sent the settings to memory. Tweeked them after that.

    So I guess this is normal then. I've never had any problems with my Denon's mic. it does seem to be built better than the Onkyo's though. Don't know if that makes a diff. My Denon always gives accurate results.
  • 03-11-2006, 05:40 AM
    GMichael
    Don't see how it could be the mics fault. But then again, something is going on. I just figured that the computer was having a bad day & needed a hug. Or a fresh cup of really hot tea.
  • 03-11-2006, 06:57 AM
    L.J.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GMichael
    Don't see how it could be the mics fault. But then again, something is going on. I just figured that the computer was having a bad day & needed a hug. Or a fresh cup of really hot tea.

    Have you calibrated the old fashioned way and compared with the auto setup on your yammie? Were the results right on?
  • 03-11-2006, 08:30 AM
    GMichael
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by L.J.
    Have you calibrated the old fashioned way and compared with the auto setup on your yammie? Were the results right on?

    No, I never did make it to Radio Shack. But it came out so well that I just took it for granted.
  • 03-13-2006, 01:14 PM
    L.J.
    Almost done!
    I picked up stands and set everything up this weekend. Got the C-1's in place and man do they sound nice. I don't think I could ever get used to a unmatched system after knowing what matched system sounds like. I used the auto setup but haven't had a chance to double anything yet. Everything sounds great, but I haven't had a chance to give my bedroom system a proper breakin yet. You know, something like U-571 or Jurassic Park III. I watched Rocky II last night and it sounded pretty good, but I want let this baby rip.