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Small Subwoofer?
I just put together an entry level audiophile H/T and music system comprising of an NAD T753 receiver and a full set of new Focal JM Labs Chorus S speakers. The system sounds incredible with amazing clarity and suprising bass down to 55hz from the 5" in the speakers. The problem is I would like to have more of a bass presence especially with the range down to around 25hz. The problem is that I live in a duplex and do not want to blow the neighbors sox off and get evicted. I am looking for a sub that will produce super tight, fast hitting bass to match the speakers. After listening to Tone Loc's Wild Thing I heard the speakers bottom out horribly on the bass notes and new I seriously lacked a subwoofer.
Don't get me wrong the speakers sound awesome with almost anything that is thrown at them and sometimes I dont even think they need a sub if you can believe that, to make a long story short I am looking for suggestions for a smaller sub that will provide tight, clean fast hitting bass without blowing the roof off. I looked into the matching focal sub but it only goes down to 40hz.
I have considered the Def Tech Pro sub 80, the Hsu Research STF 1, and several small M&K subs like the VX-7 series II. Someone also suggested the Canton AS22.
Anyhelp is greatly appreciated.
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"The problem is I would like to have more of a bass presence especially with the range down to around 25hz. The problem is that I live in a duplex and do not want to blow the neighbors sox off and get evicted. I am looking for a sub that will produce super tight, fast hitting bass to match the speakers."
That is a contradiction. The kind of bass you are looking for WILL blow the neighbor's socks off and you will sooner or later be looking for a new place to live unless you reach an accomodation with them such as what time they will not be around to get annoyed.
Try Parts Express. The Titanic III looks like a winner. If you can spend an hour building a very simple kit, you can save a couple of hundred bucks.
http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage....ge_ID=242#kits
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True, what I ment was a sub with a smaller amp like the ones I stated. To rephrase: What is the best small sub for music and H/T based on tightness and musicality? My objective is to play the system when he is not home and keep it lower as to not knock his roof off when he is home. I want something that will simply round out my system.
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You might have considered this already, but just want to be sure. Try not on buy HT equipment on where you live now (especially if you are renting- not sure if you're renting or not). The reason I mention this is what if you buy a smaller sub just to please your neighbors. Then move to a bigger place in the near future. Just my $.02!
Regarding the smaller subs (around 8"). I checked out the Def Tech PS80 and the Canton AS22. I ended up going with the PS80. The Canton was nice, but inferior to the PS80 IMO. I don't know much about the Hsu, but from what I read, it seems pretty nice! Fyi, the PS80 retails for around $350. Please do not pay that price. I got mine for $275 from an authorized dealer. If you have any questions about bargaining, please let me know.
Good luck and enjoy!
Eric
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Thanks for the info, I just signed a two year lease and landlord lives next door- I hope to be here for a while, I do not mind selling and upgrading my speakers I am a freqeunt ebayer. I am really interested in the PS80 is the base tight? Some have said it is boomy at higher volumes? I used to own a paradigm PDR10 so that is all I have to compare it to, though I have heard many others.
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From what I've heard the PS80 is pretty sensitive to placement. I've been remodeling for a little while so my HT equipment has been all over. Mine only sounds a little boomy at very high volumes with songs or movies that have loser bass (i.e some R&B or rap).
Remember that this is an entry level sub, so sometimes it's difficult to compare it to others. Make sure you compare apples to apples. Some reviews are negative because it doesn't sound like this $500 or $600 sub. It shouldn't sound like a $500 or $600 because it's only a $300 sub!!
Are you able to demo one at home? If I were to do it again, I would demo a PS80 and some other subs at home before making a final decision. I don't say this because I think it's not performing well; I say this before I want to ensure I'm making the best decision possible. It's also difficult to listen in the retail "showroom" because the odds are the room size and set up isn't exactly as yours at home.
In addition, I didn't have anything to compare the PS80 to. I only had 2 channel before the sub.
Good luck.
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Take a look at a SVS 25-31pci. It has the kind of bass you are looking for. You'll have to keep it low...but you'll have that with whatever sub you look at, unless it's not very good.
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Originally Posted by goatspeed
Take a look at a SVS 25-31pci. It has the kind of bass you are looking for. You'll have to keep it low...but you'll have that with whatever sub you look at, unless it's not very good.
Thanks all for the info on the subs, PS80 sounds good but like they say its a $300 sub, that is why I was somewhat drawn towards the small M&K's very tight and deep, however some say overpriced. Goat you are absolutely right I am going to keep the volume low around 8 o'clock or so- I just want to add a little low base presence without breaking the bank or blowing the walls out. I looked for the above sub but could not find it on the web site. Anyone want to suggest a good sub that hits fast and tight and can be had for under $500 or so??? My main concern is that they can match the incredible tightness of the Focals.
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Here's a link: http://www.svsubwoofers.com/subs_pci_25-31.htm
It's a little over your price range, but you can order it and try it knowing you can send it back within 45 days for a full refund. I have a house and a little larger room, I went with the 20-39pc+ and find it to be fast and accurate, sounding perfect with my new Monitor Audio setup.
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Thanks again.... Hey I recently stumbled across the Athena P2 subwoofer which has gotten excellent reviews- does anyone have any feedback on this before I order it?
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Goat I like the sounds of the SVS suggestion but I dont think I could get away with having a 30" tall 16" diameter black bass tube sticking up in my living room, though I appreciate the suggestion and mulled it over for quite sometime before reality hit me (wife factor)....
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Originally Posted by Redbeard
Thanks for the info, I just signed a two year lease and landlord lives next door- I hope to be here for a while, I do not mind selling and upgrading my speakers I am a freqeunt ebayer. I am really interested in the PS80 is the base tight? Some have said it is boomy at higher volumes? I used to own a paradigm PDR10 so that is all I have to compare it to, though I have heard many others.
You have a problem: you want good bass and you live in an apartment.
Buying a small sub with a small amp will not serve you much. It woun't go down to low frequencies that is audible and won't give you the punch you are looking for.
You could get a good sub and just throttle it back. When the complex is empty, you turn it up. You move and you already have a good sub:)
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That's why you use that sub for a bedroom system and upgrade when the time comes =). It's amazing how many times people recommend SVS subs when someone says they are looking for a small subwoofer. Not all of us want a refrigerator-sized (even a beer fridge sized ;)) subwoofer in our living rooms. Now I could understand it if the guy says he wants a good performing cheap subwoofer, but he clearly stated something small that goes to the 25hz range. In terms of blowing out the neighbors, that is when we ellicit the little knob commonly known as "volume". I have no experience with Athena subs, but I would definitely listen to it before you buy it if at all possible. Though reviews can be helpful at best and give you a direction in terms of which subs you might want to add to your list, remember that it is your list and your ears that will have to live with that sub. $300 is $300 and I don't know anyone that would want to have a $300 piece of crap in their living room. If you do decide to go with a Definitive Technology model I would at least get the ProSub 100TL. You should be able to get it for around $350 or so. M.S.R.P. is just a suggestion and I'm sure most of us have never bought our equipment at retail (at least I hope so or I owe the salesperson an apology () =)). Don't be afraid to ask for 20% off, although I would try to find an ad at a local store offering at least 10% or so before you do it. Ultimate Electronics usually runs an ad of at least 10% off Definitive Technology products, and I have been able to negotiate prices down on most other brands of speakers as well. I just haven't bought them. Whatever you end up getting I hope that it fits your needs and brings a smile to your face. Good luck!
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Thanks for the help gentlemen, I do agree with the suggestions of turning the volume low and then cranking it up when they aren't around. I also like the one of using it in a bedroom system after becasue I am a music nut and love building and listening to systems. These are great suggestions thanks alot....Any subwoofer suggestions are greatly appreciated.
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I gotta say I would seriously look at the Titanic Kit mentioned by Skeptic - for what it appears you're getting it is significant for the money - the thing looks like it would take less than an hour to put together - a couple of screws here and there. http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...Number=300-762
The woofer alone is $160.00.
If it wasn't for the fact that I would be nailed such high import duty and dollar conversion I would look at this for my eventual home theater system - It also comes with its own parametric EQ which you will need to properly set-up your sub.
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You're scaring me RGA.
You're agreeing with me.
You're taking the same view I am.
You're acting civil towards me.
You're being nice to me.
I don't like that.
(Where are those emoticons when you need them?--Remember Paul Linde's tv commercial for Chemical bank? Sorry, probably before your time.)
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Originally Posted by skeptic
You're scaring me RGA.
You're agreeing with me.
You're taking the same view I am.
You're acting civil towards me.
You're being nice to me.
I don't like that.
(Where are those emoticons when you need them?--Remember Paul Linde's tv commercial for Chemical bank? Sorry, probably before your time.)
I agree with a lot of what you have to say as I do with Mrty and Woochifer among others. The sub looks like good value for the dollar - and you can return it within 45 days if you don't like it.
I will be trying kits down the road - because if some 12 year old girl in china can build it then damn it so should I be able to. It's ben 13 years since I've held a soldering iron however.
I have seen $1800.00 Subwoofers that look considerably worse than the Titanic's. Unfortunately it's tough to say how they'll sound - but for home theater all I really would want is bone crushing depth.
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I agree with a lot of what you have to say as I do with Mrty and Woochifer among others.
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I will be trying kits down the road - because if some 12 year old girl in china can build it then damn it so should I be able to. It's ben 13 years since I've held a soldering iron however.
She probably has more hands on experience though:) She might also have better tools to put it together :)
but for home theater all I really would want is bone crushing depth.
Then you want it large and powerful.
Tom Nousaine has 6 or 8 15" or 18" in the basement with a chimney up to the listeing room:) The chimney had to be highly reinforced as it was buckling:D
Written up in a mag a while back.
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Does anyone on this post have any experience with the Dayton audio subs? Specifically the titanics? I am particularly interested in how the case looks, Hsu should get a clue and use some gloss for their products rather than that krinkle black crappy finish. Speakers should be like fine furniture....
RGA if i were in the UK I would definately look up MJ Acoustics subs, to bad they don't sell them in the us....
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As others have pointed out, getting down to 25 Hz and keeping things quiet for next door neighbors is a contradiction in terms. The wavelengths for notes that low are such that they easily travel through walls and interact in unpredictable ways both within your room and as they pass through walls into adjoining areas. A bass note that sounds normal from your listening position could actually sound louder and unbearably boomy next door. That's just the way that room acoustics work. In my house, I use a parametric equalizer to eliminate the room induced peaks at my listening position, but that doesn't stop the bass from sounding much boomier in the kitchen.
As far as which model to go with, there are plenty of very small subwoofers (cubes less than 12") that can still belt out notes that go way deep. REL, Velodyne, and Sunfire among others make tiny subwoofers that can go past 25 Hz. But, these models are very expensive (the Velodynes and Sunfires I believe start around $1,500), and therein lies the rub. In order to get that kind of extension from a small cabinet size, they rely on drivers with very long throws and require very powerful amps to get that decent output. Components that meet those requirements aren't cheap. It's easier to go with a larger cabinet and driver. It will give you the same extension, not require as powerful an amp, and cost less, but you got that large cabinet to deal with.
If you want a "tighter" sounding sub, then you'll probably want to go with a sealed sub because of their generally quicker transient response. Their advantages are that tighter sound, and more extended lows. Their disadvantages are that they are less efficient, the bass begins to drop off sooner than with a ported sub (but declines slower), and they can have higher distortion as the driver excursion increases in the lower frequencies. Those smaller high output subs that I mentioned are all sealed designs. If you're looking for something less expensive, then your range of options is very limited since your price point appears to be around $500. I have one of Adire's $400 Rava subs, which is a 12" sealed sub that has serviceable output well below 25 Hz. However, it is 18" on the outside, which might be too big for what you're looking for.
One option that seems to fit all of your requirements is the $600 Rocket UFW-10. It is a sealed 10" sub with an exterior dimension of 13" and available in a gloss rosewood or maple finish. From what I've read, it has decent extension (not quite as deep as the SVS, Hsu, or Adire options, but still very good) and it looks good.
http://www.av123.com/products_produc...rs&product=1.1
If you're looking at DIY options and looks are a priority, then I suggest that you contact some other sources as well. Acoustic Visions is one of Adire's major resellers and they offer a wide variety of finishes with their cabinets. Of course, the cost escalates once you opt for fancy veneers and better looking finishes.
http://www.acoustic-visions.com/~aco...painting.shtml
And as for why Hsu subs have ugly finishes. The answer is simple -- the majority of people who opt for one of their lower level subs would rather save a few extra bucks than pay more for a fancier finish. The Hsus have a great reputation for how they sound, and for around $350, their performance is what people are looking for. If you want the option for a better looking cabinet, then their $800 VTF-3 model is available in a piano black finish or rosewood veneer. Of course, that will cost you extra.
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I am particularly interested in how the case looks, Hsu should get a clue and use some gloss for their products rather than that krinkle black crappy finish. Speakers should be like fine furniture....
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Well, a speakers finis is indeed an artistic touch to it. Maybe they should offer that option? Would that add to the cost?
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When looking at the Titanic subwoofers from Parts Express I am confused, what is a parametric equalizer? I notice the 12" which is a bit big for my room but the 10" which is more in my price range and room size does not seem to include this equalizer. Is there any alternative to getting a parametric equalizer and is it absolutely neccessary????
Still Confused as to which sub to by, I would like no more than $500 less is better and smaller cabinet is better 12" square. I have a smaller room 10x12 with hardwood floors and a large brick walled fire place. Sounds travel easy so very high output is not necessary. Sub would be 60/40 for music/movie. Might not even use it on movies if it is to loud.
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It helps you position your sub - you can do it by ear but it tales longer - a true parametric EQ would allow you to basically hack off certain frequencies or raise them just like a graphic equalizer. Sort of an EQ for bass frequencies.
It is not truly necessary for home theater - but it would be very handy for music - especially if you're limited to where you can place the sub. I am personally not a fan of matching subs for 2 channel music listening.
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>>One option that seems to fit all of your requirements is the $600 Rocket UFW-10. It is a sealed 10" sub with an exterior dimension of 13" and available in a gloss rosewood or maple finish. From what I've read, it has decent extension (not quite as deep as the SVS, Hsu, or Adire options, but still very good) and it looks good.
http://www.av123.com/products_produ...ers&product=1.1>>
I second the Rocket UFW-10 suggestion...
This sub is not going to be the be all, end all for HT super low bass... but it is very musical, and goes down to 25-28 hz nicely.
I will say that the fit and finish is superb, and it looks much better in person than on the av123 website. My mom liked the looks of the sub quite a bit (and she absolutely hates the look of most hi-fi gear).
My dad is using one I bought him with some very large standmount speakers he and I built out of Focal drivers, and the combination for music is quite impressive. Definitely worth consideration for your purposes, IMO.
Another possible option is the ACI Force sub. It is a bit pricey, but ACI makes some great products, and they also look quite nice.
---Dave
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Check out the Cambridge SoundWorks P500.
http://www.cambridgesoundworks.com/s...zzz&type=store
It's a sealed box with dual 8" woofers on opposing sides. As a result, it doesn't transmit mechanical vibrations into the floor, which can be a great help in an apartment. I don't have this model, but my brother-in law does so I've had lots of opportunities to listen. It's one of the cleanest sounding woofers I've heard and IMHO is more than competitive with a lot of the well known and highly reviewed woofers in just about every area except maximum SPL capability. CSW has an in-home trial period so you can audition it at home where it counts instead of in a store with unknown acoustics and the wrong electronics.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW
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Originally Posted by Redbeard
Does anyone on this post have any experience with the Dayton audio subs? Specifically the titanics? I am particularly interested in how the case looks, Hsu should get a clue and use some gloss for their products rather than that krinkle black crappy finish. Speakers should be like fine furniture....
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I actually appreciate that black scratch resistant crinkle finish especially with my active 4yr old. Btw, STF-2 comes in black matte finish and VTF-2 MK2 comes in matte black as well as high gloss, as you wish.
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It is very hard to make a decision with all these great subs coming through- I like the rocket and Hsu but it is hard to purchase without hearing them. I know they get great reviews and am very tempted on the hype to buy a Hsu???? By far the most hype on any subs is with the Hsu and SVS and that is true in this thread as well.
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To rephrase: What is the best small sub for music and H/T based on tightness and musicality?
Here you are probably looking at either the Rocket UFW-10, ACI's The Force, or the Adire Audio Rava. The companies stand behind the products. Of course, you can also get the owner's opinion and they will try and find a viable solution for you, even it means it isn't a product they sell. (SVS can be the same way.) Used smaller subs from Velodyne, B&W, or Sunfire are worthy of consideration. For new ones, the afformentioned UFW-10, Force, or Rava would be the way to go, IMO. If you were looking towards more of a 50/50 or HT application, the HSU VTF-2 or SVS PB1-ISD would get my vote.
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One thing I find interesting here is that no one has metioned one of the small M&K subs (VX-7, VX100. K-9, k-10 etc ) which is quite a surprise to me...
Also I love the rocket sub but the price is a bit high at $600- I am leaning toward the Parts Express kit as it seems very good and is cheaper.
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t's amazing how many times people recommend SVS subs when someone says they are looking for a small subwoofer.
Hehe, well I thought 16" wide and 30" tall was small. Mine is 16" wide and 39" tall and hides behind a chair nicely. 30 inches tall is just a baby SVS.
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Originally Posted by Redbeard
When looking at the Titanic subwoofers from Parts Express I am confused, what is a parametric equalizer? I notice the 12" which is a bit big for my room but the 10" which is more in my price range and room size does not seem to include this equalizer. Is there any alternative to getting a parametric equalizer and is it absolutely neccessary????
Still Confused as to which sub to by, I would like no more than $500 less is better and smaller cabinet is better 12" square. I have a smaller room 10x12 with hardwood floors and a large brick walled fire place. Sounds travel easy so very high output is not necessary. Sub would be 60/40 for music/movie. Might not even use it on movies if it is to loud.
The point that you're missing is the importance of the placement and the room acoustics when it comes to the bass. Compared to the midrange and the highs, the room acoustics dictate what you hear with the bass at least as much as the subwoofer itself. It's THAT important an issue.
The parametric equalizer is one method of correcting for room induced effects. If you listen to a subwoofer in a store and hear that one-note boominess, guess what, most of that is more likely due to the room acoustics and the placement than the subwoofer itself. In a small to medium sized room, the bass wavelengths are long enough so that their reflections can interact with one another and either amplify each other or cancel each other out. If you're getting a peak, then the resulting bass will sound boomy because what gets emphasized is the bass note that hits those specific frequencies where the peaks occur. Keep in mind that room induced problems will affect ALL subwoofers the same way, and if you note that one subwoofer that you bring home sounds boomy, then all subs that you put into that same position will likely also sound boomy.
The role of a parametric EQ is to dial down those large peaks so that what you hear is not totally dominated by those peaks. You want the in-room bass response as even and as full as possible. Having large room-induced peaks ensures that the bass will be uneven, and sound alternately boomy with certain notes and way too low throughout the rest of the bass spectrum. Using a parametric EQ to boost a frequency whose level is too low is typically ineffective since that was likely created by a wave cancellation at the listening position.
It doesn't matter if you get a sub with a parametric EQ built in. You can add an external unit (provided that you're using the subwoofer output from the receiver, and not the speaker outputs), and that will actually give you more flexibility because most parametric EQs that come with subs give you only one filter to work with. In my room, I needed to dial down three very large peaks, and I set up additional EQ filters just to fine tune the bass.
This is confusing indeed, but I think that obsessing about which subwoofer to get without devoting as much brainpower to learning about room acoustics and how to properly place your subwoofer would be a wasted effort.
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If you go with the Partsexpress kit, only get the 12" or higher. The 10" isn't a very good value when you compare it to the Rava at similar prices. The 12" will go about as loud as the Rava, if not a little louder. But the Partsexpress kit does have the Parametric equalizer in it, which I hear is pretty much a necessity in most rooms. With the kits you do obivously get more for your money, because if Velodyne or someone made the sub it would retail for close to a grand. PE also has a discussion board ("ask the pros") and many of them built subs that use that driver that's in the kit.
-Joey
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If you go with the Partsexpress kit, only get the 12" or higher. The 10" isn't a very good value when you compare it to the Rava at similar prices. The 12" will go about as loud as the Rava, if not a little louder. But the Partsexpress kit does have the Parametric equalizer in it, which I hear is pretty much a necessity in most rooms. With the kits you do obivously get more for your money, because if Velodyne or someone made the sub it would retail for close to a grand. PE also has a discussion board ("ask the pros") and many of them built subs that use that driver that's in the kit.
-Joey
I noticed that the Parts Express 12" Titanic kit sells for $580, while the Rava sells for $400. A Rava plus an outboard parametric EQ would actually cost less than the Titanic kit, and the Rava doesn't need assembly. Unfortunately, both options and other decent ones in the same price range have exterior dimensions larger than 12". That Rocket sub seems to be one of the only options that meets all of the original poster's needs (tight sound, small exterior dimensions, attractive finish).
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My sentiments exactly woochifer.... Most of the Hsu subs have no condiseration to size even the smallest is quite large. I am really turned on by the Velodyn DD12 but then again I don't have $2500 either. Hsu and SVS are both larger than life, you know this when Hsu sugests using it (VF2) as a coffee table or end table. The Rockit is as close to good as I can come up with but the $600 is almost the same price as the $700 JM Labs Chorus S that I am trying to avoid spending.
My point of haveing a smaller sub was that I have a small 12x15 room with hardwood floors and a close neighbor. I just want the sub to fill in low notes on music. My ceiling for a sub would probably be $400 and size wise would be 13x13x13. I had a PDR 10 which I thought was a bit large.
I have considered the sub below based on reading the many positive reviews here and from stereophile, AV guide and others, so anyone with any experience with this sub please let me know as I will have to buy it without hearing it. Also thanks for all the great suggestions
http://www.store.yahoo.com/rav/atp2such.html
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My sentiments exactly woochifer.... Most of the Hsu subs have no condiseration to size even the smallest is quite large. I am really turned on by the Velodyn DD12 but then again I don't have $2500 either. Hsu and SVS are both larger than life, you know this when Hsu sugests using it (VF2) as a coffee table or end table. The Rockit is as close to good as I can come up with but the $600 is almost the same price as the $700 JM Labs Chorus S that I am trying to avoid spending.
My point of haveing a smaller sub was that I have a small 12x15 room with hardwood floors and a close neighbor. I just want the sub to fill in low notes on music. My ceiling for a sub would probably be $400 and size wise would be 13x13x13. I had a PDR 10 which I thought was a bit large.
I have considered the sub below based on reading the many positive reviews here and from stereophile, AV guide and others, so anyone with any experience with this sub please let me know as I will have to buy it without hearing it. Also thanks for all the great suggestions
http://www.store.yahoo.com/rav/atp2such.html
That Athena is basically an 8" ported sub that's taller than you want. Since musical tightness is what you specified, that's why I suggested the sealed subs because their quicker transients lend themselves well to that kind of tight sound. Ported subs are more variable in sound quality because it's more difficult to design them properly. If done right, they have their advantages, but if not done right, they can sound downright awful.
At your price range, your options are very limited since you're fixated on the size and design aspects. Either you go with something larger than you want, or uglier than you want, or you pay more. That's really what you're choosing.
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.... My ceiling for a sub would probably be $400 and size wise would be 13x13x13. I had a PDR 10 which I thought was a bit large...
How'bout $300 Hsu STF-1. It's taller but slimmer. It measures 10x16x19. Going down flat to 32hz. Sorry if I sound like pushing their product, I'm just happy with mine.. Cheers. ;)
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Your right the Hsu is probably the best value and would be a welcomed addition especially for the price. What you guys are telling me is exactly what my salesman at the local Hi Fi store told me, that I need to spend the money to get what I want.....
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You'll either have to spend more than you want for a new sub or wait for what you want and get a used one. If you want one that is 13" x 13" x 13", is musical, is sealed, powered, and looks good you will pay for what you want. Or you could try building one. However, if you don't want to pay as much you will have to compromise on some of your wants. You'll either compromise dimensions, getting a powered sub, looks, or having a port. Overall, the best compromise is the Rava with a parametric EQ but the one that meets your needs, wants, and desires is the UFW-10. With something like this you can't have your cake and eat it too.
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[QUOTE=Redbeard]My sentiments exactly woochifer.... Most of the Hsu subs have no condiseration to size even the smallest is quite large. I am really turned on by the Velodyn DD12 but then again I don't have $2500 either. Hsu and SVS are both larger than life, you know this when Hsu sugests using it (VF2) as a coffee table or end table. The Rockit is as close to good as I can come up with but the $600 is almost the same price as the $700 JM Labs Chorus S that I am trying to avoid spending.
My point of haveing a smaller sub was that I have a small 12x15 room with hardwood floors and a close neighbor. I just want the sub to fill in low notes on music. My ceiling for a sub would probably be $400 and size wise would be 13x13x13. I had a PDR 10 which I thought was a bit large.
Redbeard,
Maybe you missed my post since it was at the end of the last page 1, but since you haven't commented either you missed it or don't want to consider it. OK if its the latter, but I wanted to make sure you didn't just miss it. Particularly since it appears from some of your comments that the CSW P500 that I recommended is a lot closer to what you say you're looking for than some of the subwoofers you are actively discussing. I say this because:
1. It's a small sealed box that's about 13" x 13" x 13", and as I mentioned in the previous post is unusual in that it does not mechanically vibrate the floor and building structure.
2. It has good extension (24Hz), and excellent detail according to the reviews on this site.
3. There is more control flexibility than most subs give you, which is valuable in all rooms but particularly so in smaller ones.
4. IMHO it's unusually good looking in the Mahogany or Maple finishes compared to the black boxes that you expressed some concern about.
5. Although a little more than $400, the ebay pricing is pretty good for factory B-stock, and you get 45 days to try it at home. I've gotten B-stock from CSW before and they looked perfect.
No, I'm not a salesman, just seems like this is a good match.
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No I did see your post but I kind of have issues with cambridge soundworks. I was very hot on this sub a year or so ago, but one cambridge rep who owned it said it was under powered a bit. I am sure it is a viable option as some say it is very musical. I am skeptical on Cambridge though and think that their are better out there. I think like Bose and Boston Acoustics Cambridge has seen its golden age come and go.
I really want the Rocket UFW10 I will have to find a way to get the cash? The cambridge is an excellent suggestions though and does fit all my needs exceptionally well, maybe it is worth a closer look. One must remeber though I want this mostly for music.
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