• 01-02-2006, 12:57 PM
    bbrunswick
    Replacing Bose 901's with Magnepan 1.6's
    After 20+ years, I am considering replacing my beloved Bose 901's with Magnepan 1.6's and adding a REL Storm III sub woofer. Is this a good move? All opinions welcomed. I will be using a Hafler DH500 amp and a Hafler DH110 preamp, both upgraded by Musical Concepts.
  • 01-02-2006, 01:59 PM
    Eric Z
    You'll find a lot of people here are not very fond of Bose, so I'm sure they'll say you have a solid move. I'm not personally familiar with Magnepan, but I've heard some good things about them.

    On a side note, I'm in Streamwood- small world.

    Enjoy and let us know what you decide.
    Eric
  • 01-02-2006, 03:11 PM
    Florian
    I would personally stick with the BOSE 901, it can play louder and has more drivers.

    -AD
  • 01-02-2006, 04:22 PM
    JohnMichael
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Florian
    I would personally stick with the BOSE 901, it can play louder and has more drivers.

    -AD


    The body snatchers have Florian.
  • 01-02-2006, 04:57 PM
    bbrunswick
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Florian
    I would personally stick with the BOSE 901, it can play louder and has more drivers.

    -AD

    The stands are cool too! I know, I am an idiot for even asking such a stupid question, but I was actually looking for insightful feedback from people who can objectively analyze this situation and provide thoughtful analysis of the pros and cons.
  • 01-02-2006, 05:00 PM
    bjornb17
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Florian
    I would personally stick with the BOSE 901, it can play louder and has more drivers.

    -AD

    Is it April Fool's Day already? Your shoe is untied.
  • 01-02-2006, 05:02 PM
    bjornb17
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bbrunswick
    The stands are cool too! I know, I am an idiot for even asking such a stupid question, but I was actually looking for insightful feedback from people who can objectively analyze this situation and provide thoughtful analysis of the pros and cons.

    It seems you're a little bothered by his (more than likely) sarcastic response. I guess a good word of advice to newcomers to this forum is not to be bothered by such comments. This is a pretty small community and we joke around and try to have fun with it :)
  • 01-02-2006, 05:03 PM
    bjornb17
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JohnMichael
    You are just too funny.

    Im only 1 post away from catching up to you, better run :)
    EDIT: Too late


    EDIT 2 : why in the world does it show me as having 3 posts in a row? This message board is messed up :)
  • 01-02-2006, 05:06 PM
    JohnMichael
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bjornb17
    Is it April Fool's Day already? Your shoe is untied.


    You are just too funny.
  • 01-02-2006, 05:15 PM
    JohnMichael
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bbrunswick
    The stands are cool too! I know, I am an idiot for even asking such a stupid question, but I was actually looking for insightful feedback from people who can objectively analyze this situation and provide thoughtful analysis of the pros and cons.


    Sorry but we like to have fun. The two speakers you are talking about are as different as night and day. The Bose try to reproduce a diffuse sound field that you would hear at a concert. They have a very wide dispersion pattern with little imaging. The Magnepans with the ribbon tweeters will have better imaging. Planar speakers need to be set up rather precisely and Florian has some advice on that in the section for planar and ribbon speakers. One thing that is always stressed is that you listen to the speakers in which you are interested. If you love the Bose 901's you may not like the planar speakers. Take time and listen to all you can. I prefer a point source speaker over a line source or diffuse sound field. To each his own.
  • 01-02-2006, 05:19 PM
    bbrunswick
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bbrunswick
    The stands are cool too! I know, I am an idiot for even asking such a stupid question, but I was actually looking for insightful feedback from people who can objectively analyze this situation and provide thoughtful analysis of the pros and cons.

    You are probably right. I infer from the response that my ears are not large enough or that the audio response center of my brain is not sufficently developed to detect the differences that exist between my barbaric 901s and the obviously more elegant Magnepans. I was hoping that someone who at least acknowledges that there are two sides to the 901 controversy could give me their qualative opinion of the improvement my underdeveloped audio pleasure center might detect. Sarcasim is fun and I can take a shot, but I would also like to get a side order of useful information.
  • 01-02-2006, 05:19 PM
    Florian
    Quote:

    analyze this situation and provide thoughtful analysis of the pros and cons.
    Not to bust your bubble, but what cons? I would personally not buy them if i were you, just to ask this question clearly shows that you wont know what to do with a Maggie. Sorry, its not meant in a bad way but this post has to be the most different one ever.
  • 01-02-2006, 05:23 PM
    bbrunswick
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JohnMichael
    Sorry but we like to have fun. The two speakers you are talking about are as different as night and day. The Bose try to reproduce a diffuse sound field that you would hear at a concert. They have a very wide dispersion pattern with little imaging. The Magnepans with the ribbon tweeters will have better imaging. Planar speakers need to be set up rather precisely and Florian has some advice on that in the section for planar and ribbon speakers. One thing that is always stressed is that you listen to the speakers in which you are interested. If you love the Bose 901's you may not like the planar speakers. Take time and listen to all you can. I prefer a point source speaker over a line source or diffuse sound field. To each his own.

    Good points, well taken. Thanks.
  • 01-02-2006, 05:24 PM
    JohnMichael
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bjornb17
    Im only 1 post away from catching up to you, better run :)
    EDIT: Too late


    EDIT 2 : why in the world does it show me as having 3 posts in a row? This message board is messed up :)


    You are so much younger, you can keep posting after I am dead.
  • 01-02-2006, 05:26 PM
    bbrunswick
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Florian
    Not to bust your bubble, but what cons? I would personally not buy them if i were you, just to ask this question clearly shows that you wont know what to do with a Maggie. Sorry, its not meant in a bad way but this post has to be the most different one ever.

    Of course I know what to do with them. I would put one on either side of my chair and hook them to my iPod, just like I do with my 901s. Do you think I could lay them on their sides and lay between them?
  • 01-02-2006, 05:29 PM
    Florian
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bbrunswick
    Of course I know what to do with them. I would put one on either side of my chair and hook them to my iPod, just like I do with my 901s. Do you think I could lay them on their sides and lay between them?

    Enjoy yourself
  • 01-02-2006, 05:34 PM
    JohnMichael
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Florian
    Not to bust your bubble, but what cons? I would personally not buy them if i were you, just to ask this question clearly shows that you wont know what to do with a Maggie. Sorry, its not meant in a bad way but this post has to be the most different one ever.


    Thanks friend I suggested he go to your ribbon and planar site for advice. Never mind bbrunswick sorry I suggested it.
  • 01-02-2006, 05:46 PM
    keithant
    Bose 901's.
    Keep them keep them keep them!I am not fond of Bose's lower model numbers,201's 301's 501's and 701's,but the 901's KICK ASS,i used to have a pair of 901 series III back in about 1985 and nothing in there size could touch them.Again i would keep them..Peace.
  • 01-03-2006, 03:52 AM
    Feanor
    People are jerking you around
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bbrunswick
    After 20+ years, I am considering replacing my beloved Bose 901's with Magnepan 1.6's and adding a REL Storm III sub woofer. Is this a good move? All opinions welcomed. I will be using a Hafler DH500 amp and a Hafler DH110 preamp, both upgraded by Musical Concepts.

    But don't be offended. Of course it is true that the Bose and the Magneplanars are very different as has been pointed out. On the other hand the "consensus" -- let us call it -- would be that the Magneplanars, with or without the sub, are far better for the serious listener than the Bose.

    For the Maggies setup is critical, but not as difficult as it's made out to be by some. Three feet from the wall behind, preferably two feet from the side wall, toed in to aim directly at your listening position -- and your done under most circumstances. (Note that the quasi-ribbon models like the 1.6's are easier to set up than the true ribbon modes because the dispersion of the quasi-ribbons is narrower than the true ribbons, hence the reflections, both side and rear, are easier to control.)
  • 01-03-2006, 06:45 AM
    GMichael
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Florian
    I would personally stick with the BOSE 901, it can play louder and has more drivers.

    -AD

    OK buddy, who are you and what have you done with the real Flo?
  • 01-03-2006, 06:47 AM
    GMichael
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bbrunswick
    After 20+ years, I am considering replacing my beloved Bose 901's with Magnepan 1.6's and adding a REL Storm III sub woofer. Is this a good move? All opinions welcomed. I will be using a Hafler DH500 amp and a Hafler DH110 preamp, both upgraded by Musical Concepts.

    There is a huge difference between Bose 901's and the Mangepan 1.6's. Totally different type of sound and not in the same class at all. The 1.6's would be a great move if you have heard them and know what you are getting. Go check out their website and find some dealers in your area. Give them a listen. I think you'll be shocked at how real they sound.
  • 01-03-2006, 06:51 AM
    Sir Terrence the Terrible
    This would have been a no brainer for me 20 years ago. Wouldn't have bought the 901's in the first place. I think your choice of Magnapans and REL sub is a pretty nice upgrade.
  • 01-03-2006, 08:09 AM
    E-Stat
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bbrunswick
    Is this a good move?

    Yes. While those speakers are quite different from each other, they share similar requirements: lots of space behind them for optimum imaging and plenty of power.

    I think you'll like the Maggies. I had some back in the 70s before moving on to electrostats.

    rw
  • 01-03-2006, 04:15 PM
    dmb_fan
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bbrunswick
    After 20+ years, I am considering replacing my beloved Bose 901's with Magnepan 1.6's and adding a REL Storm III sub woofer. Is this a good move? All opinions welcomed. I will be using a Hafler DH500 amp and a Hafler DH110 preamp, both upgraded by Musical Concepts.

    My question to you is, how do you listen to music?

    My father has a pair of 901's (maybe series VI) and he loves them. He has no desire to sit in the "sweet spot" in an equalateral triangle with his speakers and try to pinpoint where every instrument is coming from. In fact, most of the time he's up and moving while he's listening to music: working in his office, exercising, cooking, etc. The 901's fit his needs perfectly for a small speaker that can play incredibly loud and send music to every corner of his home.

    He'd be miserable with a pair of 1.6's. He'd complain that they can't play loud enough and he'd complain that as soon as you stand up from the sweet spot, the treble dissappears.

    If you're looking for a speaker that sounds great from the sweet spot and can throw an engaging soundstage and give you the kind of resolution that allows you to tell a Taylor guitar from a Martin, then the 1.6's are for you. If you're looking for a speaker to do what the 901's do best--play loud and broad--then you might be happier with some of the offerings from Definitive Technologies or Mirage or another company that manufactures bipolar or omnidirectional speakers.

    I'm very familiar with both speakers and would be happy to discuss further if you like (and if I remember to come back here and check in).

    I hope that helps,
    Adam
  • 01-03-2006, 04:33 PM
    Florian
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Adam
    He'd be miserable with a pair of 1.6's. He'd complain that they can't play loud enough and he'd complain that as soon as you stand up from the sweet spot, the treble dissappears.

    Considering that the 1.6 is many times higher then the 901 i can guarantee you that the treble will definetly not disapear. The reason it doesnt happen on the BOSE is because it has no heighs. Also if you setup the 1.6 completely free in room, like 8ft from all sides or more and drive them correctly they will play louder, more control and definetly unqeualled by any BOSE ever made.

    Its nice that your dad loves them but there is no advantage that the BOSE has exept for maybe being light, small and made of plastic.