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Originally Posted by Carl Reid
Just out of curiosity, what equipment do you have driving the Quads?
I haven't had a chance to listen to the B&W 700s or Quads yet.... but I have heard a number of people complain about how bright the 700s are....
So I'm always interested to know what electronics were connected to speakers that people found to be extremely bright...
For example.... I have a friend who paired a set of B&W CM1s with a Yamaha Receiver... and though I really liked the sound of the CM1s when I heard them in the store driven by Rotel Seperates.... I find the B&W Yamaha combo to be offensively bright.....
Anyway, congrats on finding the right speakers for your setup...
I have a Rotel 1080 Amp at 120W per channel,Rotel RC-1090 Pre-amp, and Arcam 73T CDP.I have Tara Lab Silver interconnects and the Quads are Biwired using Tara Lab Prism solid core Biwire.I don't doubt the B&W CM's sounded good as I find that series to be a good speaker at their price point and I love Rotel products.Rotel separates are a step up from an integrated Yamaha reciever so that should explain your preference for that sound.I thought I was making this huge upgrade by spending almost $3000 on the 703's and it was a disaster.I should have simply spent more time listening to them especially with CD's that aren't the best in Quality.The 703's are very bright and after 3 years of torture it became painfully clear my system was fine and the 703's had to go.The sad thing is I could have bought the 603's(I think I'm right about the model) for about $1000 and they're a nice sounding speaker that's not overly bright despite using an aluminum dome tweeter.That series uses Vinyl on the cabinets but they're actually good looking speakers.I don't know if you're seriously shopping and what your price range might be but people seem to be as happy with the 21L as I am with the 22L.They're about $1150 and use one less 6.5 driver which in a smaller room can even be an advantage.Take care.
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I'm not ready to change my speakers yet, but I am still checking out different options... So I'll definitely listen to the Quads...
I don't think my problem with the Yamaha was based on the fact that it's inferior to Rotel.... I actually like the sound of Yamaha paired with more neutral speakers... Like when I first heard my Mission Speakers, they were hooked up to a Yamaha and the sound was really good (to be honest I think the sound was better with the Yamaha than when I paired the Missions with a "superior" NAD Integrated Amp)....
Since you had the 703s hooked up to Rotels (I'm a Rotel fan as well)... then I'm pretty sure that they've gotta be bright since I find Rotel to be pretty neutral.... and frankly if a B&W speaker doesn't sound good with the Amp that it is designed to work with, then something is really wrong....(but I'll still listen to the 703s just to quench my curiousity).
As for the 603s, well I didn't get much of a chance to listen to them since the sales guy was so excited about playing the CM1s... but they sounded good for the short time I listened to them and the finish was really nice.... despite being Vinyl, I prefer their look to alot of more expensive wood finish speakers....
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Originally Posted by Carl Reid
I'm not ready to change my speakers yet, but I am still checking out different options... So I'll definitely listen to the Quads...
I don't think my problem with the Yamaha was based on the fact that it's inferior to Rotel.... I actually like the sound of Yamaha paired with more neutral speakers... Like when I first heard my Mission Speakers, they were hooked up to a Yamaha and the sound was really good (to be honest I think the sound was better with the Yamaha than when I paired the Missions with a "superior" NAD Integrated Amp)....
Since you had the 703s hooked up to Rotels (I'm a Rotel fan as well)... then I'm pretty sure that they've gotta be bright since I find Rotel to be pretty neutral.... and frankly if a B&W speaker doesn't sound good with the Amp that it is designed to work with, then something is really wrong....(but I'll still listen to the 703s just to quench my curiousity).
As for the 603s, well I didn't get much of a chance to listen to them since the sales guy was so excited about playing the CM1s... but they sounded good for the short time I listened to them and the finish was really nice.... despite being Vinyl, I prefer their look to alot of more expensive wood finish speakers....
You definitely need to see the finish on the Quads in person to truly appreciate it.They use a real wood veneer with 7 coats of laquer of piano gloss finish on them.I don't want to sound like an audio snob but unless your dealing with outrageously high end recievers the sound of a high quality separate Amp and Pre-amp will easily surpass a good quality reciever.Think about the fact that your jamming all that function into one box including a tuner versus dedicated components that are only being designed to perform one function.That's not to say they can't sound good but again the reality of a reciever is that it's about being a good bang for the buck.I don't even have a use for a tuner so a reciever is useless to me.Some guys also try to use their A/V reciever for the whole works and while that makes connection and source issues much less complicated it's not the purist way to approach 2 channel stereo playback.Good luck with your hunting as the research is half the fun.
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Originally Posted by BillyB
You definitely need to see the finish on the Quads in person to truly appreciate it.They use a real wood veneer with 7 coats of laquer of piano gloss finish on them.I don't want to sound like an audio snob but unless your dealing with outrageously high end recievers the sound of a high quality separate Amp and Pre-amp will easily surpass a good quality reciever.Think about the fact that your jamming all that function into one box including a tuner versus dedicated components that are only being designed to perform one function.That's not to say they can't sound good but again the reality of a reciever is that it's about being a good bang for the buck.I don't even have a use for a tuner so a reciever is useless to me.Some guys also try to use their A/V reciever for the whole works and while that makes connection and source issues much less complicated it's not the purist way to approach 2 channel stereo playback.Good luck with your hunting as the research is half the fun.
I agree that Seperates have better sound quality than integrateds and receivers... I've stepped up over the last 7 years from a Panasonic Mini-system to a Technics 5 channel receiver to a NAD Integrated Amp and finally to Rotel Seperates.... So even though it is rather unfair of me to compare the sound of the CM1s on a Yamaha Receiver to Rotel Seperates... I am a believer that certain products go well together... eg.. a bright speaker like a Klipsch will sound better with a Denon Receiver than with a brighter Yamaha Receiver... Bright Speakers + Bright Amp = Ears Bleeding.... So I was initially curious to see if maybe you had the 703s hooked up to something bright. But since that wasn't the case, then I suspect the 703s will not be to my tastes (I don't mind a touch on the bright side, but I have my limits)....
I was going to ask what type of music you listen to, since we have almost the same Rotel Amp & Pre-Amp setup... but I re-read the first page of this thread and saw that you already answered that...
Anyway based on your description of the Quads, they sound like the kind of speakers that should be on my short list for when I eventually replace my Missions...
Since my requirements for a new pair of speakers are: 1) They need to sound good on all/most of my music collection and not just highlight the really well recorded CDs I have 2) I have to be able to play them loud without having my ears bleed & 3) The finish needs to be exceptional (my Missions are very good looking speakers)...
I think I'll check out the Quads this Saturday....
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Originally Posted by Carl Reid
I agree that Seperates have better sound quality than integrateds and receivers... I've stepped up over the last 7 years from a Panasonic Mini-system to a Technics 5 channel receiver to a NAD Integrated Amp and finally to Rotel Seperates.... So even though it is rather unfair of me to compare the sound of the CM1s on a Yamaha Receiver to Rotel Seperates... I am a believer that certain products go well together... eg.. a bright speaker like a Klipsch will sound better with a Denon Receiver than with a brighter Yamaha Receiver... Bright Speakers + Bright Amp = Ears Bleeding.... So I was initially curious to see if maybe you had the 703s hooked up to something bright. But since that wasn't the case, then I suspect the 703s will not be to my tastes (I don't mind a touch on the bright side, but I have my limits)....
I was going to ask what type of music you listen to, since we have almost the same Rotel Amp & Pre-Amp setup... but I re-read the first page of this thread and saw that you already answered that...
Anyway based on your description of the Quads, they sound like the kind of speakers that should be on my short list for when I eventually replace my Missions...
Since my requirements for a new pair of speakers are: 1) They need to sound good on all/most of my music collection and not just highlight the really well recorded CDs I have 2) I have to be able to play them loud without having my ears bleed & 3) The finish needs to be exceptional (my Missions are very good looking speakers)...
I think I'll check out the Quads this Saturday....
Definitely post after auditioning the Quads as I'm curious to hear what you think and what type of equipment you heard them on.As you may have noticed in this thread I like to play my music loud and the Quads make me want to crank them up which is a simple way of telling that your liking what your hearing.I ordered the conversion kit for my Arcam 73T today which upgrades it to the Upsampling 192 model which is supposed to be very special.The Quads have inspired me to make this costly change as I think they are refined enough to reward me for such an upgrade.The Upsampling players do seem to take some of the edge off of the old and not so well recorded music that I love so much.Enjoy your listening this weekend.
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Originally Posted by BillyB
Definitely post after auditioning the Quads as I'm curious to hear what you think and what type of equipment you heard them on.As you may have noticed in this thread I like to play my music loud and the Quads make me want to crank them up which is a simple way of telling that your liking what your hearing.I ordered the conversion kit for my Arcam 73T today which upgrades it to the Upsampling 192 model which is supposed to be very special.The Quads have inspired me to make this costly change as I think they are refined enough to reward me for such an upgrade.The Upsampling players do seem to take some of the edge off of the old and not so well recorded music that I love so much.Enjoy your listening this weekend.
Unfortunately, I still haven't had a chance to listen to the Quads yet... as my local Quad Dealer dumped the line untill the new versions arrive sometime in January...
However, I finally got the chance to listen to some B&W 704s this weekend...
I tossed on a few of my reference CDs including some old Jackson 5 and was really impressed... For a while at least...
But my dealer made the huge mistake of leaving me alone to have an extended listening session with them... (he was busy dealing with other customers)... anyway... after half an hour of listening to them, I started feeling some hardcore listening fatigue... and starting turning the volume down and down... which is the opposite of my usual listening style with my Missions.... I normally find myself cranking the music up at home...
Needless to say, The 700 Series are totally off my list....
Hopefully I'll get to hear the Quads soon, though I doubt I'm gonna change my speakers anytime soon....
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I finally had a chance to listen to those Quads you kids always talk about and a bunch more other models.
They were ALOT smaller than I had in mind. I dont think WAF is a problem, great looking too. But whotta hell cares about that..
they sounded great. I would defintely want a sub to go with it...but very nice sounding speakers. I heard them hooked up with all Accuphase gears so might not be very fair but why not? Right?
I was under the impression from this thread that they like to ROCK!! Well they can, sounded really smooth over all. 89dbs sen. isnt bad at all, but not quite enough for my likings. If Jolida 1000 ever offered triodes/UL switch option, I wouldnt heistate to consider those speakers but others will also be very tempting too.
JRA
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Quads new line
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Originally Posted by Carl Reid
Unfortunately, I still haven't had a chance to listen to the Quads yet... as my local Quad Dealer dumped the line untill the new versions arrive sometime in January...
However, I finally got the chance to listen to some B&W 704s this weekend...
I tossed on a few of my reference CDs including some old Jackson 5 and was really impressed... For a while at least...
But my dealer made the huge mistake of leaving me alone to have an extended listening session with them... (he was busy dealing with other customers)... anyway... after half an hour of listening to them, I started feeling some hardcore listening fatigue... and starting turning the volume down and down... which is the opposite of my usual listening style with my Missions.... I normally find myself cranking the music up at home...
Needless to say, The 700 Series are totally off my list....
Hopefully I'll get to hear the Quads soon, though I doubt I'm gonna change my speakers anytime soon....
Very interesting regarding the Quads.I stumbled onto the 22L2 doing a google but it seemed to be only on european websites and Quad didn't even list it on their site.It's obviously unavailable in the US right now.I did see the picture of it and the specs and they seemed almost identical to the existing model I have.The only difference I could find was a slightly higher frequency range meaning they may have tweaked the tweeter a little bit.I'll be curious to see the US prices as the European sites seemed to be showing a much higher price for the new model as some of them were offering both old and new versions.The beauty of this speaker is it's quality versus cost so maybe I got lucky buying when I did.They'll be hard pressed to improve this speaker significantly while keeping it in the same price range.Glad to hear you spent that extra time listening to the 700 series as I truly believe it's the type of speaker that initially sounds great and then creates listener fatigue(especially cranked up with rock or pop) which is basically what you confirmed.Enjoy your hunt and if you find out anything new about the newer Quads please post.
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Originally Posted by jrhymeammo
I finally had a chance to listen to those Quads you kids always talk about and a bunch more other models.
They were ALOT smaller than I had in mind. I dont think WAF is a problem, great looking too. But whotta hell cares about that..
they sounded great. I would defintely want a sub to go with it...but very nice sounding speakers. I heard them hooked up with all Accuphase gears so might not be very fair but why not? Right?
I was under the impression from this thread that they like to ROCK!! Well they can, sounded really smooth over all. 89dbs sen. isnt bad at all, but not quite enough for my likings. If Jolida 1000 ever offered triodes/UL switch option, I wouldnt heistate to consider those speakers but others will also be very tempting too.
JRA
Just curious which Quads you were listening too.They make two bookshelf models 11L and 12L and two Floorstanders 21L and 22L.You mentioned how small they were and while the floorstanders are not large speakers they're definitely not overly small either.The 22L's which I own would only require a subwoofer if you're into very heavy bass or are integrating them into home theatre and want floor rumbling bass.I play mine using 120W per channel Rotel amp and I don't find myself needing to turn the Amp up any higher than with other high quality speakers I've had in this system so sensitivity shouldn't be a huge issue with these speakers.I play them extremely loud and while I'm not saying that's how they need to be played I find distortion levels to be extremely low even at close to ear splitting volumes.(yes I occasionally get carried away when the house is empty)Thanks for your input on the Quads.
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Actually, it looks like they've updated the Quad site, and they're showing both lines. So either they're not doing away with the L series, or it's more of a "phasing it out". I hope the former -- I'm not going to be able to buy a pair for quite a while.
EDIT: PS They're also showing the active line, so it looks like that's still available, too.
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Originally Posted by BillyB
Just curious which Quads you were listening too.They make two bookshelf models 11L and 12L and two Floorstanders 21L and 22L.You mentioned how small they were and while the floorstanders are not large speakers they're definitely not overly small either.The 22L's which I own would only require a subwoofer if you're into very heavy bass or are integrating them into home theatre and want floor rumbling bass.I play mine using 120W per channel Rotel amp and I don't find myself needing to turn the Amp up any higher than with other high quality speakers I've had in this system so sensitivity shouldn't be a huge issue with these speakers.I play them extremely loud and while I'm not saying that's how they need to be played I find distortion levels to be extremely low even at close to ear splitting volumes.(yes I occasionally get carried away when the house is empty)Thanks for your input on the Quads.
I saw 22 and 21, and thought they were very small(Im not saying thats good or bad). Just thought they would be a bit bigger. Bookshelf speakers were exceptional small too. Dont remember if I stated this already, but low level resolution was very nice.
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New Quad L2 series
Finally had time to visit Quads website and yes they do have the new L2 series listed.I already have the 22L but of course I have to torture myself and see what I'm missing out on.This series apparantly is more than just a subtle change to the line as I originally had heard.The tweeter was completely redesigned with a more powerful neodynium magnet and redesigned dispersion plate.The terminals on the back were improved and they seemed to imply they may have tweaked the crossover which I guess makes sense as the tweeter goes to 27K from 24K at it's upper limit.The bottom driver on the 22L which has dual 6.5" woofers has a completely different looking dust cap(or center) and the base of the cabinet looks completely different.Of course none of this guarantees better sound because as I said in a previous post I thought Quad would be hard pressed to significantly improve the L series and keep it so reasonable.Still can't find the prices for this series on any US websites.The L series is still listed but I would imagine that will end when their dealers sell out the existing stock.If they're significantly improved and still under 2K than this is still one of the killer bangs for the buck for a floorstander.
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More on the Quad L22's
Hi Guys - if it's not too late on this topic, hope you don't mind my two cents worth -
First off, (and no, I don't get a commission) you can get the Quad 22L's for $1190 plus shipping in any finish from Walter at Underwood HiFi. I've had mine for about 2 months now (replacing my Paradigm Studio Reference 20's). I think they're still breaking in. Guess I need to listen more often, but I have these in the living room with my solid state system, and the "family" doesn't allow for a ton of loud music listening, I'm sure you understand.
My opinion of these speakers is they really shine with good amounts of power. They're not the most sensitive speakers I've owned, but they kick butt with my Musical Fidelity A5, which is 250 wpc. They sound excellent at low levels, by the way, and terrific at higher levels. In fact, I've not had them higher than say, 10 O'clock or so. After that it's too ear-splitting for me, and I really, really like loud music. I listen to Jazz (bop and hard bop), Indie Rock, White Stripes, Pixies, etc, and 70's "art rock", Genesis, Yes, Rush, etc. All these genre's excel with the Quad 22L's. I've tried various speaker cables as well, and as the old adage says, less is more. Tried the garden hose variety at 1200 bucks a pair (PSAudio) and the $90 delivered Anti-Cables and the Mapleshade Golden Helix. The skinny inexpensive ones won out easy, easy, easy! And at $1100 less!
I bought the L22's them without listening to them since we have no Quad dealer that I could find here - just based on online reviews from respected outlets - Stereophile, AVGuide among others. While they do show poor recording technique and quality, especially from 60's and 70's rock music, they still make even these sound better than on say, a lesser speaker. I'm really happy with mine!
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Originally Posted by Kirch
Hi Guys - if it's not too late on this topic, hope you don't mind my two cents worth -
First off, (and no, I don't get a commission) you can get the Quad 22L's for $1190 plus shipping in any finish from Walter at Underwood HiFi. I've had mine for about 2 months now ( replacing my Paradigm Studio Reference 20's). I think they're still breaking in. Guess I need to listen more often, but I have these in the living room with my solid state system, and the "family" doesn't allow for a ton of loud music listening, I'm sure you understand.
My opinion of these speakers is they really shine with good amounts of power. They're not the most sensitive speakers I've owned, but they kick butt with my Musical Fidelity A5, which is 250 wpc. They sound excellent at low levels, by the way, and terrific at higher levels. In fact, I've not had them higher than say, 10 O'clock or so. After that it's too ear-splitting for me, and I really, really like loud music. I listen to Jazz (bop and hard bop), Indie Rock, White Stripes, Pixies, etc, and 70's "art rock", Genesis, Yes, Rush, etc. All these genre's excel with the Quad 22L's. I've tried various speaker cables as well, and as the old adage says, less is more. Tried the garden hose variety at 1200 bucks a pair (PSAudio) and the $90 delivered Anti-Cables and the Mapleshade Golden Helix. The skinny inexpensive ones won out easy, easy, easy! And at $1100 less!
I bought the L22's them without listening to them since we have no Quad dealer that I could find here - just based on online reviews from respected outlets - Stereophile, AVGuide among others. While they do show poor recording technique and quality, especially from 60's and 70's rock music, they still make even these sound better than on say, a lesser speaker. I'm really happy with mine!
Pretty wild.I listen to the same music and I also like my music real loud but rarely can enjoy that due to the wife and kids.I also bought my Quad 22L's without hearing them as no local dealer had any demo's.I basically went on reviews and a hunch and I couldn't be happier.Trust me when I tell you that your speakers aren't burned in and will sound significantly better as they break in.My speakers don't even sound like the speakers I took out of the box and fired up.It took 200 hours of playing time for them to sweeten up.If you can leave them on at a moderate level when no-one is home that will really shorten up the break-in wait.I did the math and figured out It was going to take me a year plus to burn these things in at my listening rate so that's what I finally did and it worked like a charm.If you're going out for the day pop in a CD and leave it on repeat and don't be afraid to apply a little volume.My theory is a stereo can't be offensive in an empty house.I'm biased of course but these are very special speakers and you are going to be blown away by how much better they get from use. Kevlar woofers are notorious for taking forever to break in and these are no exception.I paid $1600 for them and they smoke the $2800 speakers they replaced .Enjoy
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Nice to have you here at AR.com there Kirch. Welcome.
Since I don't want to get off the subject as usual, I sent you a PM.
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You guys are more brave than I am. I'm in a similar situation where there is no dealer close by for me to have a listen.
But I've read reviews for other speakers, listened to them myself, and found that I didn't really like the ones that have been raved about. So that's made me very hesitant to buy without auditioning.
I've heard so many good things about the 21Ls that I would love to listen to a set. Can you guys compare them to any other brands??
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Originally Posted by Ryukyu
You guys are more brave than I am. I'm in a similar situation where there is no dealer close by for me to have a listen.
But I've read reviews for other speakers, listened to them myself, and found that I didn't really like the ones that have been raved about. So that's made me very hesitant to buy without auditioning.
I've heard so many good things about the 21Ls that I would love to listen to a set. Can you guys compare them to any other brands??
While I have the 22L's and not the 21L's I can only say that when I researched the 22L's some reviewers(professional)thought the 21L was the best of the series.I consider the Quads on the neutral side,not as bright as B&W's,Paradigm,amongst others.They are a refined sound that works well with most music but may not be the best choice for Heavy metal or very hard rock.They are not revealing to the point where you feel like throwing out your CD collection which is how I came to own them as my 703's did have that problem.I would never tell someone what to buy as this hobby is so subjective but I think you can safely assume you are considering a very worthy performer in the 21L.Read this whole thread as it mentions Quads new L2 series which will probably completely replace the L series at some point.Makes this an excellent time to snag the 21L's no doubt as you can probably get them on line for an incredibly reasonable price from dealers looking to make room for the newer series.
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I re-read the thread as you suggested. It sounds like these may be a good choice for me.
I was just about sold on buying some Focals, but I went back and forth between the Chorus 716V and the 816V. I did some extensive listening last weekend and when I played some of my older rock, I felt that fatigue did start to set in. In particular, I was listening to the Zeppelin Houses of the Holy album and although the remastering is probably a little hot, I felt that the Focals were a bit on the bright side. The 816Vs were not bad, and I think I could be happy with these, but they cost more than I would like to spend right now. Previously when I had listened to them, it was mostly some more modern jazz and R&B, and they sounded wonderful on that stuff. But since I listen to a lot of Zep, Deep Purple, Pink Floyd and other bands of that nature, I have been hesitant to go forward with those. I also listen to a great deal of jazz and R&B, but like others in this thread have stated, I want most, if not all of my collection to sound decent. I also have a pretty good vinyl collection, and listen to that stuff as well.
One other concern is the Quad's sensitivity. I am using a Yamaha CR-840 for my 2 channel music fix, and it works grreat, sounds warm and I don't want to have to replace it anytime soon. Although I will probably go with separates sometime within the next year.
I guess what I'm looking for is something warm, yet detailed.
I also have listened to Totem Arros, B&W 603S3, Rega R3, KEF IQ7 and IQ9, Boston Acoustics VR1, 2, 3, Paradigm Studio 20, 40, 60, and the previously mentioned Focals, and have found all of them lacking in some respect.
And you are correct in saying that you can get a great deal on a pair of 21Ls right now. I've seen some for under $900 for a pair.
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Originally Posted by Ryukyu
I re-read the thread as you suggested. It sounds like these may be a good choice for me.
I was just about sold on buying some Focals, but I went back and forth between the Chorus 716V and the 816V. I did some extensive listening last weekend and when I played some of my older rock, I felt that fatigue did start to set in. In particular, I was listening to the Zeppelin Houses of the Holy album and although the remastering is probably a little hot, I felt that the Focals were a bit on the bright side. The 816Vs were not bad, and I think I could be happy with these, but they cost more than I would like to spend right now. Previously when I had listened to them, it was mostly some more modern jazz and R&B, and they sounded wonderful on that stuff. But since I listen to a lot of Zep, Deep Purple, Pink Floyd and other bands of that nature, I have been hesitant to go forward with those. I also listen to a great deal of jazz and R&B, but like others in this thread have stated, I want most, if not all of my collection to sound decent. I also have a pretty good vinyl collection, and listen to that stuff as well.
One other concern is the Quad's sensitivity. I am using a Yamaha CR-840 for my 2 channel music fix, and it works grreat, sounds warm and I don't want to have to replace it anytime soon. Although I will probably go with separates sometime within the next year.
I guess what I'm looking for is something warm, yet detailed.
I also have listened to Totem Arros, B&W 603S3, Rega R3, KEF IQ7 and IQ9, Boston Acoustics VR1, 2, 3, Paradigm Studio 20, 40, 60, and the previously mentioned Focals, and have found all of them lacking in some respect.
And you are correct in saying that you can get a great deal on a pair of 21Ls right now. I've seen some for under $900 for a pair.
That should be about the right price as I heard the 22L's which are the flagship can be had for about $1200 on line.The 21L's do need some power as they aren't overly sensitive but you're always better off growing into a better system as you say you are thinking of separates and the Quads would reward you for that investment.I listen to Pop and Rock exclusively and as I said previously the Quads are revealing without being harsh on even reasonably recorded and mastered CD's.While these speakers may or may not be the perfect speaker for you I think you would be hard pressed to find anything better for under $1500 that would make you think you had made a mistake.If you do buy them don't judge them until they are sufficiently run in or you will be disappointed at first.Good luck with your decision.
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Anybody if the Yammie will be OK with the 21Ls for now? It's rated at 65watts rms continuous for 8 ohm loads.
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Originally Posted by Ryukyu
Anybody if the Yammie will be OK with the 21Ls for now? It's rated at 65watts rms continuous for 8 ohm loads.
I'm not really a reciever guy but Yamaha certainly makes decent stuff so I would be surprised if it didn't have the power to make this work for you.Of course it's all relative and you will commonly hear the Quads are very equipment sensitive.This is par for the course with speakers that have a refined sound and that is how I would describe them.Good luck and keep looking on line.I could be wrong but I'd have to think that as the new L2 series becomes more mainstream the prices for the L series may continue to drop.Of course if you're too patient they may become too hard to find.
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hi guys. i thought i would chime in here since i have had the small 11L's for about 2 months now. bought them new from tsto.com in the beautiful yew finish for $550. they still have the 11L's and 12L's in yew if anyone is interested.
my experience with these has been super. my music preference is similar to members here. a lot of classic rock (zepp, floyd, even sabbath!) plenty of blues, with some hard bop jazz thrown in. these quads handle them all with aplomb. bad recordings are listenable which is crucial with a lot of the 70's recordings i have. i am sure they are still breaking in and will only get better. i live in an apartment building and can not get away with deep bass so hence the 11L's instead of the floorstanders others have here. still, surprising bass from such a small speaker.
ryukyu, i use a yamaha ca-610II integrated amp from the late 70's with these quads and they sound great! therefore, i think you would be fine for now with the cr-840 which i believe is from the same era as mine, circa 1980 and with similar power. i will say however i am looking to upgrade because i am getting lazy in my old age and want remote control capability. i will get some kind of integrated amp that i can also use within my HT set-up as well.
billy b, i am not surprised you ditched the b&w's. i have listened to that brand a few years ago (another model) and thought they were neutral and very revealing, similar to my then current a/d/s L510 speakers. also, i have demoed rotel electronics and thought they made my ads speakers sound too bright. i actually settled on an onkyo tx-2500 receiver from the same late 70's era the ads speakers were produced, and the sound of these together was great! the warmer sound of this receiver balanced out the revealing tendencies of the a/d/s speakers and made for a great match! i suspect this is what you needed to do, albeit at a much higher price point, to get the most out of those b&w's.
well, in summary, count me in as another quad fan-boy!
regards,
Paul
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Nice! Thanks for the extensive description, too.
Yew, huh? That's a gorgeous finish, but I thought it was OOP?!?!? I wish my actives came in Yew...
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yeah, my guess is quad passed along a good deal to tsto to clear out the remaining stock of 11L and 12L's they had left in yew.
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