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Thats true, and one of the reasons why i simply do not want any other speaker that i own right now, exept the 108000$ Perigee Definitve. I do not know of any other speaker that i like more, and test or no tests (even though the test always ends up extremely good) you need to decide it for yourself.
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The room was too small for the Gens. Why did you not drive them actively?
You could have bought a Tact Audio RCS 2.2x and or the big 10 channel monster and drive each driver actively with a complete room correction :p There were different versions of the V which differentiated in driver material and amps. The midrange drivers are still avaliable through Genesis since they didnt employ the Emits or Emims from the early Infinity days which Arnie Noodle uses on the IRS series and later used in the early.
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PS: How much did you let them go for?
To all other members you can all drive your speakers actively. Simply ditch the internal x-over and buy a external digital crossover and 1 or 2 more stereo amps. You can enjoy direct driver controll and bypass all the crap usually found in the x-overs. Also you can use room correction and have the flexibility to add and switch amps and ajust the level of integration!
Yes, the room was way too small for the Gens. Going active would not have helped... Instead, I sold them for $3600, the G750 center for $450, the Pass X250 for $2600, the Wireworld cables for $200. Bought the Xds for $5000 (demo) and had enough money to get the wife something nice to smooth things over, if you know what I mean.
NHT really did their homework on this one. The very small size of the satellites enabled them to build a very rigid enclosure - minimum baffle, high density, etc. Housing the sub in its own separate enclosure solved a LOT of problems, including isolating its effects on the mid and tweet, and allowing optimum placement. The two drivers are mounted in opposition with a force canceling rod in between, so there is no vibration at all. The use of class D amps does have its advantages (that was a hard one for me...), most of all is size, and heat - the flexibility to put it where an ordinary class A or AB amp could not go. Also, since the components are not subject to the same extremes in temperature fluctuation, they should last considerably longer than their A and AB cousins.
Lastly, unless you know what you're doing, you could screw the pooch doing it yourself. I will assume that you do in fact know how to do it (go active). I will also hazard a guess that your setup costs a tad over the $5000 I spent for the satellites, stands, sub, DEQX/DSP amp and cabling. I am very well aware of the sound of the Divas in their normal configuration, and I have to say I prefer the Xds. However, applying the same technology found in the Xds to your Divas would no doubt have the potential to at least level the field if not outright beat them. Undoubtedly, other manufacturers will in fact do just that in the future. For the time being, though, these sound as good as or better than anything I have heard at any price.
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Well i don't know your DIVA experience. Mine are the DIVA Reference which is the latest german edition with precision ribbons from Graz and new Ceramic magnets which increases the field strength and control over the ribbons. I am sure the NHT's sound very nice and i know what small sattelites do and what a combination with a subwoofer can do. Also i know the use of room correction and the active configuration and personally i wouldnt put them anywhere near the DIVA or the Genesis V. The reason for this simple and depends hugely on taste. The regular cone drivers employed in your NHT's are simply not to my liking, this is not only NHT drivers, but also all the drivers from B&W, Dynaudio, Infinity etc.. The are too colored for my taste and simply too slow. They have to fake the dispersion and will not keep a stable image size and correct size of instruments across the field. This problem is also evident in the Soundlabs and ML's with the curved panels. Also the biggest problem is that even with digital eq you miss the radiating size and surface area to display a piano in a room or to display a full size orchestra. Driver speed is also a big IF if you compare them to pure no kapton backed ribbons. I can always hear box coloration and the chassy itself, in all speakers.
I am sure the NHT's are great but with respect diasagree with the statment of revolutionary, best of etc... The technology has been around for a long time, and is used by NewFormResearch, Tact, Lyngdorf, Infinity (partially). The soundfield they are projecting is simply too small on all speakers i know, the different driver materials just doesnt allow for a perfect integration and same color across all frequencys.
Now lets please not start this into a VS. thread, i am very happy that you found a speaker system you like and i am sure that it is very practical. Esp. from the standpoint of the size and requirements, but its not for me and i would personally have kept the Gen's and build the room for them. Later on driven them actively with room correction.
But thats just me. Have fun with them, and i am sure your wife likes them more.
-Flo
PS: Just as a addon, i think its wonderfull that a manufacturer has finally put it all in a nice package but i am not the type of person who jumpes on the first bandwaggon.
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Well i don't know your DIVA experience. Mine are the DIVA Reference which is the latest german edition with precision ribbons from Graz and new Ceramic magnets which increases the field strength and control over the ribbons. I am sure the NHT's sound very nice and i know what small sattelites do and what a combination with a subwoofer can do. Also i know the use of room correction and the active configuration and personally i wouldnt put them anywhere near the DIVA or the Genesis V. The reason for this simple and depends hugely on taste. The regular cone drivers employed in your NHT's are simply not to my liking, this is not only NHT drivers, but also all the drivers from B&W, Dynaudio, Infinity etc.. The are too colored for my taste and simply too slow. They have to fake the dispersion and will not keep a stable image size and correct size of instruments across the field. This problem is also evident in the Soundlabs and ML's with the curved panels. Also the biggest problem is that even with digital eq you miss the radiating size and surface area to display a piano in a room or to display a full size orchestra. Driver speed is also a big IF if you compare them to pure no kapton backed ribbons. I can always hear box coloration and the chassy itself, in all speakers.
I am sure the NHT's are great but with respect diasagree with the statment of revolutionary, best of etc... The technology has been around for a long time, and is used by NewFormResearch, Tact, Lyngdorf, Infinity (partially). The soundfield they are projecting is simply too small on all speakers i know, the different driver materials just doesnt allow for a perfect integration and same color across all frequencys.
Now lets please not start this into a VS. thread, i am very happy that you found a speaker system you like and i am sure that it is very practical. Esp. from the standpoint of the size and requirements, but its not for me and i would personally have kept the Gen's and build the room for them. Later on driven them actively with room correction.
But thats just me. Have fun with them, and i am sure your wife likes them more.
-Flo
PS: Just as a addon, i think its wonderfull that a manufacturer has finally put it all in a nice package but i am not the type of person who jumpes on the first bandwaggon.
And you have decided all of this before you have even listened to them? :confused: These do not sound anything like conventional small satellites/sub...
I get to hear the "Absolute Sound" every day at work. My ears are good. *Very* good. I like what I'm hearing. Besides, spending tens of thousands of dollars to build a room to house my old Gens, + the cost of going active, etc., simply is not anywhere near practical for something that still will not deliver the "real thing". It would be cheaper in the long run to do what I did - buy a nice instrument, go to a great music school or two, win a job in a major orchestra, and get paid to hear it every day. :p
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Our goals are different, and thats fine. The reason why i can decide upfront is because i know the technology behind it and i know that a non dipole, sub/sat system with ordanary drivers that is driven actively with room correction is not for my taste. NHT is not the first at all, my friend from Lyngdorf Audio in Stuttgart has the small Dalis driven actively with room corrections. Its exactly the same thing as your NHT's exept for the DALI drivers. And i simply would never buy it over the DIVA or Genesis V. Even the reporters of the show said that it sonds large for a small system but not large. The surface area, the drivers, the integration, tonal coloration etc.. are all things i want and if the system wont deliver it then i simply wont ever buy it, no matter how cute. I do not come from a practical point of view. I think its great that you like them tough, but there is no technological whow factor there and i can do the same with my DIVAS quite cheeply but going active and eqing it to flat does not make it sound good. Many people on this forum do not want a flat sound, i know i dont. I had it here, and it wasnt for my taste..
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Hi Florian,
I see you have other haunts ;) I think MrClean has done a pretty good job of explaining Xd to you, but you do seem to have some misconceptions that I'd like to clear up if you don't mind. It's not unusual, since the technology in this is pretty futuristic. As you say, your tastes are different, so no matter what, you may not like these speakers and I'm not going to convince you that you should. They have a different "take" on the music as compared to ribbon dipoles, so they will sound different. But they also sound different from conventional speakers as well.
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But DSP can not make a bad speaker sound good.
This is true, but Xd was engineered from the beginning, 5 years of design, to not only be a great speaker design, but to perform only with DEQX processing. All the right aspects are in place for maximum performance from this acoustic/electronic combination. Low diffraction, low cabinet resonance, small baffle, high level drivers.
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1. Tact CD-Drive with Digital AES-B out
2. Tact Digital Preamp and Room Correction
3. Tact Digitial Active Crossover
4. 6x Tact Digital Stereo AMPS
Obviously you can take any good idea to the extreme, but while the Tact can do somethings better than DEQX, it doesn't do other things as well, mainly in the crossover/correction/room EQ, where DEQX is clearly leading the pack in correction technology. At best, it would be a tie, but even that isn't terribly likely. But the Tact system would costs 10s of $thousands. You could buy one or two *more* Xds just for the add on technologies you're mentioning. You could do the very same thing with DEQX and keep it all digital, but, as in the Tact, it runs the cost up to double or triple the cost of allowing a 24/96 AD/DA conversion which are essentially transparent these days.
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The regular cone drivers employed in your NHT's are simply not to my liking, this is not only NHT drivers, but also all the drivers from B&W, Dynaudio, Infinity etc.. The are too colored for my taste and simply too slow.
It sounds like you're saying cones are too colored and slow. However, that's the point of DSP. First, it allows a designer to choose a "quick" driver that would be flawed in an analog environment and also take any FR colorations and correct for them. You are also misusing the word "slow". If a driver can reproduce a signal at the require output, then it is not slow, even though it may *seem* slow. The "slow" has to do with transient response (something sealed drivers do well), the rigidity of the driver (the more rigid, the less "slow" the sound seems) and the "stored energy" within the driver (aka ringing, breakup, etc - this is something that is dealt with by the 110dB/octave crossover). I have never heard anyone refer to the SEAS Excel magnesium midrange as "slow" before, you're the first! In any case, "slow" is really distortion, and the Excel driver is *very* good in these areas. No one has called the Xd system "slow" to the best of my knowledge. In fact, it is almost always referred to as "fast" which is another misuse of the word, but you get the idea.
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They have to fake the dispersion and will not keep a stable image size and correct size of instruments across the field. This problem is also evident in the Soundlabs and ML's with the curved panels. Also the biggest problem is that even with digital eq you miss the radiating size and surface area to display a piano in a room or to display a full size orchestra. Driver speed is also a big IF if you compare them to pure no kapton backed ribbons. I can always hear box coloration and the chassy itself, in all speakers.
This is highly arguable. The Xd is definitely not faking dispersion. In fact, you could say that a dipole or bipole is "faking" dispersion by bouncing the sound off of the back wall. Xd simply has a different dispersion and avoids the lack of dispersion of analog designs. It takes advantage of the steep crossovers to eliminate all lower treble energy from the midrange driver that would harm the dispersion. Therefore, the system has huge advantages over analog designs and have a sense of "space" and "air" that is more similar to, but not the same as, a bipole or dipole speaker. Further, the very steep crossover between the tweeter and midrange along with the small cabinet and close spacing yields a near perfect approximation of a theoretical "point source" design. The two drivers act as almost one "super driver" that doesn't exist in real life.
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I am sure the NHT's are great but with respect diasagree with the statment of revolutionary, best of etc... The technology has been around for a long time, and is used by NewFormResearch, Tact, Lyngdorf, Infinity (partially). The soundfield they are projecting is simply too small on all speakers i know, the different driver materials just doesnt allow for a perfect integration and same color across all frequencys.
This is not really true either. Very primitive versions of this technology has been around, but not nearly to this level. It's like comparing Sony's SXRD to older LCD designs. It's the power of the processor that creates the evolutionary leap beyond previous systems. Xd's performance could be duplicated or even surpassed, but it would require copying most of its design and spending much more money, at least for now. What is "revolutionary" is that such a high-tech solution is placed in something that people might actually buy. It is something like the Mazda Miata when it first came out and made such as splash. Many called it the best convertible made at the time, certainly ground-breaking, even though it was about the least expensive.
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i would personally have kept the Gen's and build the room for them. Later on driven them actively with room correction.
Well, sure, but of course, that is a $100K option! What if MrClean WANTS the music in *that* room because that's where he wants to enjoy music? Imagine what Xds might sound like in a purpose built room if it can solve so many problems in a suboptimal room! I'm not saying that solution is wrong, but it is over the top. You could put Xds in every room and closet in your house for that much money :)
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but i am not the type of person who jumpes on the first bandwaggon.
I thought you said this technology was old hat ;) This isn't the "first bandwagon", it is just the nicest bandwagon to come along in quite awhile :)
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NHT is not the first at all, my friend from Lyngdorf Audio in Stuttgart has the small Dalis driven actively with room corrections. Its exactly the same thing as your NHT's exept for the DALI drivers.
Not exactly the same at all. Even if your friend is using DEQX (and that is what it would take to be in the same ball park), the drivers are critical and while you can convert a speaker to active digital, there are HUGE advantages in designing the speaker from the ground up to BE digital only. This is the case with the NHT
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And i simply would never buy it over the DIVA or Genesis V. Even the reporters of the show said that it sonds large for a small system but not large. The surface area, the drivers, the integration, tonal coloration etc.. are all things i want and if the system wont deliver it then i simply wont ever buy it, no matter how cute.
Granted, the Xd was not designed around your taste, it was designed around a "theoretical ideal" as envisioned by NHT. And, or course, dipole is something NHT doesn't do and probably never will. As happened with MrClean, dipoles are more room dependent and require a fairly wide wall and distance from the back wall to sound right. When they are setup well, they sing. When they are not, they sound mediocre at best. Xd isn't designed to conquer the world or convince all audiophiles that this is the path. It is simply what it is and it is designed to put ultra high-end performance into a package that normal people can rationalize and enjoy. It *is* SOTA and it *is* true high-end. But it doesn't look like it from the outside. And it all about the music, not about the gear or the preconceptions, biases, etc. It may be "cute", but it's also a "nymphomaniac" and will change your expectations for your next "encounter" :)
Anyway, i know your preferences from reading some of your posts on Audio Circle, so it's completely fine, I don't want to convince you of anything, just clear up a few things and help you keep an open mind if you can. It will probably give you a few ideas of what might be done with your dipole speakers. Others are already investigating this full force with DEQX technology, so things are about to get interesting.
Happy listening!
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Dont worry i will keep an open mind. When you say that you have to make a small baffle, special chassy (so it doesnt color) and use the DEQX devices etc... then your using them to overcome a problem. A instrument has a body and the sound reflects 360 degrees in real life. The MIC picksup that sound and also the reflections of that sound hitting the walls and other instruments in the place. Taking that recording and having it played back by a system which cannot radiate sound more than 180 degrees you will not reach the goal of having a life instrument playing in your room. A life concert hall or take any life recording the size of the hall and hight differences between the players is simply huge and the NHT's or any other box and planar system has to fake the size. But the tall linesource system comes much closer to the ideal. The membrane is not bended on a apogee and all the drivers have the same lack of color plus your moving some serious air. All the instruments are displayed in the same size rightness. I am sure you will agree that the NHT will not put a real Grand Piano in my room with the sheer size, this simply wont happen. And in order for that little cute driver to do that it has to fake the size, while the planar system doesnt. You need the DEQX to overcome time delay errors and even out the response. For me its too much of a compromise, digital filtering, digital eqing in the room, fake image size, different driver materials etc..I will give them a listen and see if i like them, but i am pretty certain that my conclusion will be the same as with all the other "oh this is new and so great products" systems. Once you go with a planar, you wont go back. And there is a good reason for that ;)
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About the transiants response, i agree and thats another huge strongpoint of the ribbons and the fact they they are all the same and the huge magnetic field that this lightweight membrane moves in. About the dispersion, the big linesources in my room do not fake height dispersion, but the NHT's have to do this. This is another strong point why i never liked box speakers. I need close to the real height i cant stand anything else. Soundstage size is extremely important to me. Then you have the lack of coloration, incredibly good transiant repsonse. No problem with the chassy at all and no problem with subwoofer integration. No hassle with different drivers and its easy to drive and can play over 115db in a 40m2 room measured 4m away. Why on earth would i change that ? ;)
PS: I still think its great that NHT combined it all in a neat package, but it wont cut it for me. I will recomend them to all WAF people and to those that dont want to push a 275lbs speaker.
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The Apogees are great speakers, no doubt. But they, too, fake image height, width and depth, unless you can pack a jazz quartet, a rock band, or a 107 member sympony orchestra into the space that the Divas occupy. The whole purpose of your stereo setup is to create the illusion of something that isn't there. I'm pretty sure your listening room doesn't seat 2300 people ;-)
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When you say that you have to make a small baffle, special chassy (so it doesnt color) and use the DEQX devices etc... then your using them to overcome a problem.
Not really. The small, low diffraction baffle means you hear more driver, less cabinet. That's just pure physics. The DEQX side steps half the problems with conventional speakers and compensates for most of the others. It's avoiding problems that other speakers have, not overcoming a problematic design.
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A instrument has a body and the sound reflects 360 degrees in real life. The MIC picksup that sound and also the reflections of that sound hitting the walls and other instruments in the place. Taking that recording and having it played back by a system which cannot radiate sound more than 180 degrees you will not reach the goal of having a life instrument playing in your room.
There are a few problems with your ideas here. First, when you record this ambience, you are recording the sound required to make the sound seem "live" with a proper transducer. Purposely bouncing even more sound off of the back wall simply overlays your room over the concert hall. Second, dipoles don't radiate 360 degrees. In fact, they have lower total ambient energy in the room than a monopole, but need to be along a wide wall with a tall ceiling and be well away from the front wall in order to make the sound develop in a realistic fashion. Many people can not have a large speaker 3'-5' from the wall, don't have a wide wall or tall ceiling, and thus the front wall reflection overpowers that sound and makes the speaker sound congested. Different solutions are required for different environments and few can set up dipoles properly.
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A life concert hall or take any life recording the size of the hall and hight differences between the players is simply huge and the NHT's or any other box and planar system has to fake the size.
I'm sorry, but could you detail exactly how NHT has to "fake" the size? They are simply trying to provide uniform dispersion within a full hemispherical radiation pattern. What do you mean by "fake". There is no DSP such as SRS or Q-sound or anything going on.
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But the tall linesource system comes much closer to the ideal. The membrane is not bended on a apogee and all the drivers have the same lack of color plus your moving some serious air. All the instruments are displayed in the same size rightness. I am sure you will agree that the NHT will not put a real Grand Piano in my room with the sheer size, this simply wont happen.
I don't know how large your room is, so I tentatively disagree. Unless your room is huge, there is no reason why it won't. In fact, I took these speakers to a customers house and set them up. To the left was a large grand piano. The customer put on a Hough piano CD and left the room to quiet his dogs. I didn't realize that he had pressed "play". When the piano came in with such force and realism, I snapped my head around to look at the piano because I was sure that someone had snuck into the room and started playing it. It actually startled the heck out of me, as though someone had snuck and behind me and yelled "boo!" Actual story.
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And in order for that little cute driver to do that it has to fake the size, while the planar system doesnt.
The problem here is that that it is hard to record instrument size except through the ambient cues from the original venue. A line source will make all instruments sound bigger. A point source will generally make them sound smaller. However, if the dispersion is broad enough, the room environment will great a "bigness" with many instruments while still allowing a voice to be small and focused. It is simply a different perspective on the sound. Some people like "all big, all the time" and others like pinpoint imaging. The Xd, because of its size, can produce pin point imaging, but also, because of its dispersion properties, give some "size" to the sound. There is no right answer, just different approaches. Different approaches will work better in different rooms and different setups. Remember that monopoles are still radating sound that will bounce of the back wall, just not as much. Note that an orchestra is not jammed up against the wall as many speakers need to me. The sound is allowed to develop around the instruments with generally 10'-20' behind the instruments which keep the initial front wall reflections from overpowering the sound. Monopoles minimize this. To do a dipole or bipole truly right, you'd want a very large room, to get the same type of ambient balance in a concert hall. [quote]
You need the DEQX to overcome time delay errors and even out the response. For me its too much of a compromise, digital filtering, digital eqing in the room, fake image size, different driver materials etc..[quote]
Yes, but MOST speakers "need" this. Most speakers are very high in time delay errors and FR. DEQX is not a "cheat". It doesn't "fake" anything. It is like saying 4WD is somehow cheating in the snow. Many are using DEQX with line arrays and reporting excellent results. It simply removes compromises and fixes issues that are difficult to fix in the analog domain. I'd still like to know what you mean by "fake image size"
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Once you go with a planar, you wont go back. And there is a good reason for that ;)
Once YOU go planar, you won't go back. I've personally helped *many* people come back from planar and they are happy about it :)
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About the transiants response, i agree and thats another huge strongpoint of the ribbons and the fact they they are all the same and the huge magnetic field that this lightweight membrane moves in.
Yes, but this can also be a strongpoint of a cone driver with good motor structure, proper box and rigid cone. Remember, the mass of the driver is appropriate to the FR it is trying to do. In a perfect world, there would be no mass at all, but that isn't possible. Ribbons have their own issues and are far from perfect. The proof is in the resolution and I have to say, Xd, thanks to the "Excel-ent" SEAS driver has achieved ribbon level resolution, but without some of their problems. YMMV. Again, there are means to ends, if planar was superior in every way, most everyone would use it.
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About the dispersion, the big linesources in my room do not fake height dispersion, but the NHT's have to do this.
I'm not sure how you can say a wide dispersion speaker is "faking" height, but a speaker that is 6' tall is not. How many instruments are 6' tall? I'm not following your logic on this, but I do sense your bias, which is fine. I just think it is not appropriate to claim one way is correct, the other "fake". Again, simply a different perspective, one that you might not enjoy as much, or maybe you will and won't want to admit it ;)
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This is another strong point why i never liked box speakers. I need close to the real height i cant stand anything else. Soundstage size is extremely important to me. Then you have the lack of coloration, incredibly good transiant repsonse. No problem with the chassy at all and no problem with subwoofer integration. No hassle with different drivers and its easy to drive and can play over 115db in a 40m2 room measured 4m away. Why on earth would i change that ? ;)
No reason to change! And no one is trying to convince you otherwise. Just wanted to clear up a few things and put a little counterpoint on the subject. Digital is a *very* powerful tool that can be used for good or evil. It addresses a LOT of what you don't like about "box" speakers. Coloration can be lowered or avoided. Soundstage size is increased. Transient response is simply choosing the proper driver for the job and using a sealed enclosure. Subwoofer/driver integration is massively improved to the point of true seamlessness because you can get an essentially perfect crossover between the drivers over a very small area. And the high order crossovers allow all metal, pistonic drivers that blend more seemlessly, removing "hassle" as you state. Should you change? Not if you're happy, just realize that something like Xd is in a different league as compared to normal, analog monopoles. Entirely different animal with entirely different properties and sound.
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You need to hear the new NHT Xd system, with an open mind, before you categorically dismiss prudent use of DSP. These are amazing speakers...
J
Allow me to clarify: DSP for room (or the interior of the car) correction is good. DSP for "recreating" the acoustics of the 3rd stall in the men's restroom of Yankee Stadium is bad.
Capeesh?
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The Apogees are great speakers, no doubt. But they, too, fake image height, width and depth, unless you can pack a jazz quartet, a rock band, or a 107 member sympony orchestra into the space that the Divas occupy. The whole purpose of your stereo setup is to create the illusion of something that isn't there. I'm pretty sure your listening room doesn't seat 2300 people ;-)
J
They still come a lot closer to reality than the small cute boxes ;)
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I am sure you like the NHT's and consider this technology to be groundbreaking. To be honest when you say you helped many people go back from planar and they are happy, i had to laugh. This is a response typical for a discussion like this and means absolutly nothing. I can go ahead and say the same thing about all the people who heard my system and said they consider amongst the best 5 in the world and trashed their colored boxes because not even DEQX could fix the bad sound.
I personaly believe that the ribbon planar technology comes much closer to the ideal than a tiny box speaker targeted to a commercial audience with a complete set of computers to fix the initial problems inherritet in its design quite frankly. Also the Apogees wont fake image height, if you stand on top of a chair and try to get your ears above the system you will a huge dropoff in sound, because they simply dont radiate above their height.
The narrow baffle is amazing for users who come from no transparency. In my room is a system with the size 31x73x3 and these are 100% transparent and you wont ever hear them or a single driver sticking out. About the image depth you say that Apogees fake image depth. Quite the opposite actually, it depends on the recording. If there is no depth they simply wont have it. It depends on the Apogee models and they all have their own strength.
To drive a speaker actively with the DEQX technology is not a problem at all. I can buy the DEQX device and run the ribbons directly. But not all newer technology is better and it has to prove itself.
Last but not least, a closing statment. Please dont say "Apogees" do this and that, because they all do things a bit differently. I heard the Duetta, Stage and Caliper. I owned the Scintilla and have the DIVA now. There is no way to make a statment like that at all. The NHT's are a cute little speaker that with the help of DEQX etc.. can overcome room problems and fix its own shortcomings and has a big wife acceptor factor which is great for the guy.
I will stick with my big Planar, because i know that the generalisations are false and that for me it comes much closer to the ideal and if i find it good than i can run the DEQX infront of it and drive them fully active, no problem at all.
-Flo :p
PS: I come from a server IT background and know that in 1 year they will have a new DEQX out and it will be even better than the one know. The new 1's and 0's will sound better then. I am sure they are great, but too me this technology is not so fascinating then for you.
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So Bose is out huh?
Yup, BOSE is out and NHT is in. The NHT's look sexy, are not all that expensive and i am sure sound great. If you have a WAF problem or simply want a small speaker that can deliver the goods than i am sure its a very cool thing to have. Just not for a biased planar freak who cant be taught better :p
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Yup, BOSE is out and NHT is in. The NHT's look sexy, are not all that expensive and i am sure sound great. If you have a WAF problem or simply want a small speaker that can deliver the goods than i am sure its a very cool thing to have. Just not for a biased planar freak who cant be taught better :p
Kinda likin' those KEF's from the other day. The Q series looks cool. The reference series would be better, but hey, what can I say? The lotto hasn't come in yet. Those blonde colored ones would match our bedroom furniture so well. 5 of the Q1's and a center would be great. I have a Yamaha HTIB in there now. It's not bad except for the speakers.
Actually the wife like the planners for the living room when the money tree starts growing.
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Originally Posted by GMichael
Kinda likin' those KEF's from the other day. The Q series looks cool. The reference series would be better, but hey, what can I say? The lotto hasn't come in yet. Those blonde colored ones would match our bedroom furniture so well. 5 of the Q1's and a center would be great. I have a Yamaha HTIB in there now. It's not bad except for the speakers.
Actually the wife like the planners for the living room when the money tree starts growing.
The big Planars look very good and actually all my friends wifes have no problem with them. They look sexy and like sculptures, well the Aps and Maggies :p
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Originally Posted by topspeed
Allow me to clarify: DSP for room (or the interior of the car) correction is good. DSP for "recreating" the acoustics of the 3rd stall in the men's restroom of Yankee Stadium is bad.
Capeesh?
No argument here, although you shouldn't judge the 3rd stall in the men's room of Yankee Stadium until you've heard the Divas set up in there. :cool:
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Originally Posted by MrClean
No argument here, although you shouldn't judge the 3rd stall in the men's room of Yankee Stadium until you've heard the Divas set up in there. :cool:
Not that i get that comment :confused:
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Originally Posted by GMichael
Kinda likin' those KEF's from the other day. The Q series looks cool. The reference series would be better, but hey, what can I say? The lotto hasn't come in yet. Those blonde colored ones would match our bedroom furniture so well. 5 of the Q1's and a center would be great. I have a Yamaha HTIB in there now. It's not bad except for the speakers.
Actually the wife like the planners for the living room when the money tree starts growing.
The big Planars look very good and actually all my friends wifes have no problem with them. They look sexy and like sculptures, well the Aps and Maggies :p
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Originally Posted by Florian
Not that i get that comment :confused:
Just a quick joke.
You own some very nice speakers - I am sure I would really like the way they sound. They would not work in my house, but that does not take away from what the Divas can do when set up properly...
J
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And i really like the NHT's. I think its a great bundle of technology and i bet it sounds bloddy good too. I am just a planar ribbon freak.
Got a pic of the great stuff in your house?
-Flo
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