Genesis top 3 (w/ Phill Collins)

[Smokey]

The band Genensis under Peter Gabriel sound somewhat different than when he left the band and Collins became the front man. As under Gabriel the sound of Genesisi was more laid back, artie and album oriented, it became more pop oriented, accessable and upbeat post his departure. And Phil Collins drumming became more front and centered which is a good thing since Collins is an excellent drummer.

So the top 3 songs are from that era:

1. Follow You, Follow Me
2. Home By the Sea
3. Abacab

[MasterCylinder]

1) Ripples

2) Dance on a Volcano

3) The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway

[ForeverAutumn]

3) The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway

That was with PG. Smokey's looking for post-PG era tunes.

To be honest, I never paid much attention to post-PG Genesis. The stuff that I heard on the radio was crap (IMO) and never inspired me to want to explore them further. Although, more recently I've been thinking that there's probably some good stuff there that I've missing.

[MasterCylinder]

That was with PG. Smokey's looking for post-PG era tunes.

To be honest, I never paid much attention to post-PG Genesis. The stuff that I heard on the radio was crap (IMO) and never inspired me to want to explore them further. Although, more recently I've been thinking that there's probably some good stuff there that I've missing.

I bent the rules -- when I listen to that song, I can clearly hear Collins voice as much as PG.

I have trouble finding 3 post-PG tunes that are not so "poppy".

[Mr MidFi]

I bent the rules

It wouldn't be cheating to cite the live version on Seconds Out. Just sayin'. Anyway...

1) Squonk

2) Unquiet Slumbers for the Sleepers... In That Quiet Earth /Afterglow (medley)

3) Ripples

And FA... you should check out their first album after Gabriel left, Trick of the Tail. It sounds a tad dated, but it's chock-full of interesting prog ideas.

[MasterCylinder]

It wouldn't be cheating to cite the live version on Seconds Out. Just sayin'.

Good call MidFi -- why didn't i think of that ?

And FA... you should check out their first album after Gabriel left, Trick of the Tail. It sounds a tad dated, but it's chock-full of interesting prog ideas.

MidFi noticed that the two I didn't cheat on both came from Tricky-Tail.

[Hyfi]

I'm gonna bend the rules even more and cite my 3 favorite albums where Phil does all the vocals and drums. The reason I cite these 3 is because Phils vocals are like an instrument in itself. Within these 3 albums are some of the best tracks by Genisis but that is not saying that Selling England By The Pound, Foxtrot and others are not great on their own.

So here goes

Wind And Wuthering
And Then There Were Three
Trick of The Tail

[bobsticks]

Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite...

[Hyfi]

Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite...

For me it was all over after And Then There Were Three. Too commercial, too much emphasis on vocals and repeating of the same words and lines over and over. Way too much air play of only a few songs.

What was the time frame where they introduced a second drummer and Phil took to being more of a front man?

I do remember seeing them back in the day with both drummers.

[bobsticks]

What was the time frame where they introduced a second drummer and Phil took to being more of a front man?

I do remember seeing them back in the day with both drummers.

I think that Genesis has been using the two drummer thing in live settings since as far back as the Seventies, with Phil and Bill Bruford (?) maybe. In the 1980s they retained the two drummer theme with Phil and Chester a la the Wembly gig.

Quite a few classic acts utilized dual percussionists in their live shows....38 Special, April Wine, Grateful Dead, etc.

Gary Glitter used two drummers. I understand Gary's used his own drumstick on a variety of young canvasses.

[nobody]

[bobsticks]

Hehehehe...

[Finch Platte]

Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite...

Lol. Ok, where did you cut & paste that from?

[bobsticks]

That may have been an excerpt from a Brett Easton Ellis book. Clearly it represents my own feelings about the juggernaut that is Genesis far better than I ever could in my own words.

It's true.

[ForeverAutumn]

And FA... you should check out their first album after Gabriel left, Trick of the Tail. It sounds a tad dated, but it's chock-full of interesting prog ideas.

I do have Trick, and I do like it. But I haven't heard much other than radio fodder since that.

Abacab and Sussudio make me cringe. Just my opinion.

[Hyfi]

Abacab and Sussudio make me cringe. Just my opinion.

+1

Hated It!

[dean_martin]

That may have been an excerpt from a Brett Easton Ellis book. Clearly it represents my own feelings about the juggernaut that is Genesis far better than I ever could in my own words.

It's true.

Don't forget your lunch meeting with Cliff Huxtable.

[Finch Platte]

I understand Gary's used his own drumstick on a variety of young canvasses.

Ok, just stop.

[Hyfi]

Ok, just stop.

So thats what it takes to wake you up

[MasterCylinder]

I do have Trick, and I do like it.

I have a Japanese remaster of Tricky Tail that sounds gorgeous; my favorite album from Genesis and, ironically, the first body of work after the departure of PG, of which all the remaining band members were afraid to release.

[Mr MidFi]

I do have Trick, and I do like it. But I haven't heard much other than radio fodder since that.

Abacab and Sussudio make me cringe. Just my opinion.

Wind & Wuthering would be the logical next step for you, probably. ...And Then There Were Three is sort of hit-and-miss for me. Duke has a few strong tracks, but some absolute pop-dreck as well.

[Mr MidFi]

I think that Genesis has been using the two drummer thing in live settings since as far back as the Seventies, with Phil and Bill Bruford (?) maybe. In the 1980s they retained the two drummer theme with Phil and Chester a la the Wembly gig.

Bruford played with the band for a very brief time in 1976. There is one track on Seconds Out that includes him ("Cinema Show").

The bonus disc on the Tricky Tail remaster includes a 45-minute concert video with Bill and Phil on drums... it's fascinating as a document/relic of the era, and an interesting performance overall, but hideous production values.

All of their live shows since 1977 have included Chester Thompson on drums. He and Phil played really, really well together in a live setting.

(And for the record, I got the American Psycho reference right away. Love that scene in the movie; haven't read the book.)

[bobsticks]

Don't forget your lunch meeting with Cliff Huxtable.

No can do. It's at the Four Seasons and they've moved uptown. Besides, I have an 8:30 res at Dorsia...great Sea Urchin Ceviche...and sometime between now and then I have to return some videotapes...

[Smokey]

I'm gonna bend the rules even more and cite my 3 favorite albums where Phil does all the vocals and drums. The reason I cite these 3 is because Phils vocals are like an instrument in itself. Within these 3 albums are some of the best tracks by Genisis but that is not saying that Selling England By The Pound, Foxtrot and others are not great on their own.

Definitely not. Genesis with Peter Gabriel probably deserve a thread of its own as there are alot of good music on Genesis earlier albums. I'm a PG fan, but like his solo albums better than when he was with Genesis.

Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite...

Whomever wrote that is definitely a Phill Collins fan

Although I agree with most of what being said, calling Invisible Touch the group's undisputed masterpiece might be streching it a bit. There are couple of good songs on that album such as "Land Of Confusion" and "Throwing It All Away", but the rest are forgetable including the title song.

Wind & Wuthering would be the logical next step for you, probably. ...And Then There Were Three is sort of hit-and-miss for me. Duke has a few strong tracks, but some absolute pop-dreck as well.

If exploring Genesis for first time, I would start from their 1983 album self title "Genesis" and work backward. IMO that is their strongest album with producer Hugh Padgham at the helm who also produced albums for David Bowie, XTC and The Fixx.

[3LB]

My first Genesis album was Abacab, which I loved, and then S/T which I owned on cassette - I wore out two copies of this tape in three years playing the first side then rewinding. I worked my way back through to Duke and stopped, failing to find anything likable about And Then There Were Three.

Ever since finding out that the first side of Duke was supposed to be a suite (Behind The Lines, Guide Vocal, Turn It On Again, Duke's Travels, Duke's End) that's the way I listen (I even combined those tracks into one). Its the way they'd play it live back in '80.